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Subject: Forerunners Can't Possibly be Humans from the Future
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A while back, somebody proposed that the forerunners were humans from the future to make the Halos and put them into the past for us to use against the Covenant during the war.

I disagree with this because the Covenant got all of their technology from the forerunners, right? That would mean that the Covenant never had any technology before the humans put stuff into the past. So they would never be able to find them in the first place and attack them. Another thing, that would mean humans were at one time the creators of plasma weaponry. So even if the Covenant battled the humans, the covenant would be like cavemen trying to fight today's military forces.

So why would the humans go into the past and put things on other planets for the aliens to find, then? Why wouldn't they just put it all on Earth if they knew humans lived there previeously?

  • 06.15.2004 1:21 PM PDT
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I beleive the Forerunner are RELATED to the Humans, because the Covenant refer to them as sentient and humans as sentient. And, the comments Guilty Spark makes.

  • 06.15.2004 1:27 PM PDT
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I beleive the Forerunner are RELATED to the Humans, because the Covenant refer to them as sentient and humans as sentient. And, the comments Guilty Spark makes.


Humans are sentient beings.
Grunts are sentient beings.
Jackals are sentient beings.
Elites are sentient beings.
Brutes are sentient beings.
Hunters are sentient beings.
Prophets are sentient beings.
Mithrandir is a sentient being.

Does that mean mithrandir is really the one and only forerunner? I think not. He made fun of my avatar too much. Anyhow, sentient just means intelligent being that is alive, or something like that. Cortana said Halo destroys all sentient life. That means anything big enough and intelligent enough (that is organic) that can sustain the flood.

  • 06.15.2004 1:31 PM PDT
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343 says he had to use Halo's defense systems a little over 100,000 years ago in the book. This could have blasted us back to the stone age including the rest of the galaxy with it.

There is forrunner technology on earth and reach, both planets we have colonized, also, these devices alter space/time. The exact thing which could explain how humans (previously forrunner) ended up there, far away from other forrunner technology.

The Halo world consits of pine trees, earth looking rocks, doors ways that are similar to those on pillar of autumn, 343 has a small english accent-yes a computer can pick up and learn a language, but there is no reason for it to have an accent.

Human A.I. like to distinguish themselves and become independent very soon after creation, 343 mirrors these personalities in this respect.

There are more points moving towards this possibility then you have against it. [/color]

  • 06.15.2004 1:31 PM PDT
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Grunts and smart in the same sentence? That's cute :)

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OK. I never thought of it that way. You are probably right.

But at least I still debunked the theory that the humans were in the future and sent the Halo's back in time for us to use against the Covies :)

Hey, why do you always write in yellow?

  • 06.15.2004 1:33 PM PDT
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Posted by: GhOsTman
Grunts and smart in the same sentence? That's cute :)


Actually, I never used them in the same sentence in my post :)

  • 06.15.2004 1:33 PM PDT
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I see what you mean but I'm pretty sure halo wasn't meant to kill covenant. I'm sure it was for research on the flood. the game mentoins halo as a fortress world so maybe it was a strong hold and not a weapon to fight the covenant.
Maybe something is on earth. I haven't read the books but I've been told that the covenant "glass" a planet. but in the e3 2003 trailer earth wasn't Glassed so maybe there is something important on earth that humans don't know about. I'm guessing its around East Africa. Maybe an main control to all the halos we previously built.

Edit looks like I was a little slow to reply.

[Edited on 6/15/2004 1:36:24 PM]

  • 06.15.2004 1:35 PM PDT
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There is no time in space. There is only time where there is gravity. The Halos were created long ago in which we would perceive as the future.

The Halos fired.

we start over.

The future now would feel like the past would it not? So, I guess it does happen like you say, but there was no time machine

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I write in yellow cause -blam!- you can see it

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ohh yea and its gold =D

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  • 06.15.2004 1:36 PM PDT
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Ahhh! Too..... much..... thinking..... Heh, just joking. That's probably true.

  • 06.15.2004 1:37 PM PDT
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How do you figure that time doesn't pass in zero gravity? Did you ever take a stopwatch into deep space? I didn't think so. Where did that theory come from?

  • 06.15.2004 1:38 PM PDT
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I know it probably wasn't meant to kill covenant, but I was just proving that guy's theory about the time machine and sending Halos back into the past was wrong.

  • 06.15.2004 1:40 PM PDT
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A stop watch has gears, it will move as long as it has power, that doesnt mean time is passing, it just means that it is working. If you put out a satellite into space and have it circle the world, it will still get old, but that because its still has a gravitational pull.

it is strange to think there is no time in places out there. Did you know the faster you travel, the slower time gets? If you were to travel at the speed of light and look down at the people on earth, everyone would be standing still, yet you would age as normal in the state you are in.

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Yeah, I heard all those theories before, and they had some guy in the fastest jet made time it with an atomic clock, so he was in turn like 000001 nanoseconds younger than his twin brother after he did that. He timed it, and it was a small difference.

how do they know it will be in slo mo if you are at light speed? no one has done it, so are some drunken theorists just passing us a load of BS?

How do we know that time stops when there is no gravity? If it stopped, nothing would be moving at all, once we got into outer space. you would just freeze in time if that theory is correct. I never took quantum physics or anything like that because I'm only 15, so correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks

  • 06.15.2004 1:50 PM PDT
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this is why you may be confused...

"In these cases, however, we can no longer visualize the unity very well. Physicists can 'experience' the 4-Dimensional space-time world throughout the abstract mathematical formalism of their theories, but their visual imaginations - like everybody else's - is limited to the 3-Dimensional world of the senses.[/color] [color=lime]Our language and thought patterns have evolved in this 3-Dimensional world and therefore we find it extremely hard to deal with the 4-Dimensional reality of Relativistic Physics[/color]"

-taken from book, tao of physics



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  • 06.15.2004 2:12 PM PDT
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this is what it comes down to...

I learned this from a physics teacher in college....

say they make a space ship that can travel the speed of light, and lets say you can see the goings ons around you as you travel at this speed. [/color] [color=lime](this couldnt be possible because your eyes pick up light, and your going to the speed of light, so everything would actually appear black to you..strange)[/color] [color=gold]Well, if you could, everything around would appear to be stopped. Nothing is moving, birds are stuck in the sky. You however appear to be living and breathing and you still exist as normal because you exist in a different frame of time while you are moving that fast. The even stranger thing is, once you go back to real world time, you would find everyone to be older then, even though you saw them frozen....ehh?!?! [/color]

  • 06.15.2004 2:18 PM PDT
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i think that the forrunners are much closer related to humans than the covanant. compare the human architecture with the forrunner's... then covanant to forrunner's... see what I'm saying? however... it does appear that the forrunners could be much larger than humans b/c every doorway on halo is huge... oh wait... not the elivators tho. hm... maybe there are different races of forrunners... kind of like the covanant are different races...

  • 06.15.2004 2:26 PM PDT
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Maybe the Forerunners were humans from the past who got blasted back to the stone age on Earth and had to redevelop their civilization. And since the Covenant worship the Forerunners, maybe they stumbled upon the humans and thought they were imposters of some sort.

  • 06.15.2004 2:52 PM PDT

If the Forerunners were future-humans, then that would force us to assume that the Humans survived the assault on Earth, defeated the Covenant, thrived for several hundred years or until they developed time-travel, then went back in time to develop Halo.

Instead, I think the Forerunners are humans. Not necessarily Earth humans, but humans. They went from planet to planet spreading their kind, and colonized Earth. The ice-age wiped out all their technology, and their history, and the humans on Earth started over from there. The Forerunners on other planets otherwise went extinct.

  • 06.15.2004 3:05 PM PDT
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You've got to think crazy, of course, because you only get innovation by refining insanity. - Jason Jones

the post that started this post was my post. it was my theory that humans are the forruners from the future. i put it on here not thinking people would be arguing about it, but hell, you guys made it a whole new thread. thats what i like to see. lol

  • 06.15.2004 3:08 PM PDT
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Not to be a jerk or anything, but I have taken relativity, and believe me, time exists in deep space. Even in your scenario with the spaceship flying at the speed of light, time still exists inside and outside the spaceship. While it is true that time APEARS to stop outside the spaceship from the reference frame of a person in the ship, the inverse is also true (people looking into the ship see time as frozen inside it, and time is going by at its normal rate in their reference frame). Also, in response to that statement about time not flowing even though the gears of a stopwatch were moving, a "clock" is the only way that time can be measured. A "clock" can be anything from an actual clock with gears to an atom that decays at a particular rate. If you were trying to explain that while you see time passing at a normal rate, an observer in a different inertial reference may not, then yes, that is true. However, as there is no prefered reference frame, time is neither stopped or moving at a normal rate, it is both when seen from different reference frames, and this is all we can know. Anyway, i'm not sure how you used this to prove anything about the forerunner (whom i know nothing about, sorry), but the sloppy physics caught my attention.

  • 06.15.2004 3:26 PM PDT
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P.S. I am a nerd.

  • 06.15.2004 3:27 PM PDT