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Subject: Mandatory waiting period

Posted by: Ostrichman07
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Would you like to see a mandatory waiting period for bnet?

First let me explain the concept. When you sign up for an account on bnet do you think there should be a set ammount of time that the user has to wait before being able to post in any of the forums?
I think this would help people read all of the stickies, read the rules, and look to see how the forums are run. I think this would also help with the ammount of pure spammers we get. Since they would have to wait a set ammount of time before being able to post from a new account.

So what are your thoughts?

  • 03.06.2008 7:42 AM PDT

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Maybe, I think it would be awesome if new members received an automated pm welcoming them and giving then a brief overview of the rules, how to post links, etc. I think that would be incredibly helpful.

  • 03.06.2008 7:55 AM PDT
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There is already a 24 HR limit on creating topics.

Nice idea, but would fail majorly because ppl would just skip them and check "yes" or anythi ng like that.

  • 03.06.2008 7:58 AM PDT

Posted by: Ostrichman07
Posted by: a420ballaAZ2
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Posted by: wHo iZ XtrEmE
There is already a 24 HR limit on creating topics.

Nice idea, but would fail majorly because ppl would just skip them and check "yes" or anythi ng like that.

Didn't realize that there was a 24 hour limit on creating topics. I am just saying there should be a wait time to be able to post anything. Just to lurk a little bit and read some of the stickies. Might also help cut down on the users that came to the site to inquire about one issue they are having with Halo 3. They might even find the search button in this time frame.

  • 03.06.2008 8:03 AM PDT

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Maybe a mandatory rules quiz? ;-)

  • 03.06.2008 8:04 AM PDT

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Posted by: tehviruss
Maybe a mandatory rules quiz? ;-)

Sounds like a good idea, but in the end it would be as dumbed-down as the test to get a drivers license, and will be equally ineffective at weeding out the bad apples.

  • 03.06.2008 8:12 AM PDT

Posted by: Ostrichman07
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That would actually be a pretty good idea to make sure that users knew what was expected of them. I don't think it would work that well. There would probably be a slew of WTF Bungie This Isn't School threads. That and a whole bunch of people would probably never be able to pass it.

  • 03.06.2008 8:17 AM PDT

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Yes there should be a waiting period, not to stop new people, but to prevent the spammers and trolls constantly making alts and flaming all the forums.

  • 03.06.2008 8:30 AM PDT

Posted by: Ostrichman07
Posted by: a420ballaAZ2
Ostrich I really wanna sig you, but need some fresh stuffs.
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Bit­ch don't tell me what to do.

Here is a perfect example of the things that this would help against. Only took me about 30 seconds to find that.

  • 03.06.2008 8:47 AM PDT

It sure does sound good to have a waiting period. Unfortunately sometimes the only way members can be properly educted is to actually start posting and learning by experience. I can recall that I was a member for quite a while before I even started posting. I usually just stick to posting on topics rather then creating new ones. To this day I still make mistakes and it makes people mad when I do. There is no easy solution to this problem.

  • 03.06.2008 8:51 AM PDT
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Posted by: tehviruss
Maybe a mandatory rules quiz? ;-)
A multi-option 1,000 questions quiz.

  • 03.06.2008 9:38 AM PDT

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Well when you join you're already slammed face-first with the Code of Conduct and Terms of Use. If someone doesn't take the time to read, at a minimum, either of them then it is their fault for not knowing the rules. Add on top of the that the stickied rules for individual forums and it is like a double-whammy for not knowing.

I'm not saying that it is up to the new user to find everything on his or her own, but they should at least take the time (which is their responsibility) to get a fundamental understanding of how B.net works. It also happens to be our responsibility to help all users with rules and terms of use. Just don't go blaming new people for not doing their part, whether they understand it is a responsibility they have, but also point the other fingers back in our face. We have as much responsibility to help others post and add quality to this community as they have a right to come here and post.

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  • 03.06.2008 9:46 AM PDT

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Hot topics and debates (things that might heat some heads) would do well to have a small "cool down" waiting period or at least a secondary preview that makes a person read what they just typed. I have seen several instances in forums in general where a spot of time would have done a world of good to stop someone from posting something inflamatory that they wouldn't have otherwise even thought. It could just be me, but there's a reason I don't have a head set.

  • 03.06.2008 10:04 AM PDT
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Posted by: SS_Zag1
As said; ignorance of the rules is not an excuse.

Exactly, but it still does not deny the fact that new people tend not to read them before they post. We tell them to read the rules, but they still won't. If they get banned, they will probably come back with an alt and ask the same question.

If only we could force them through a long, tedious sign up, maybe that would encourage them to act more responsible. Don't ask how I will think that will help.

  • 03.06.2008 10:10 AM PDT

Posted by: Ada Astra
Posted by: SS_Zag1
As said; ignorance of the rules is not an excuse.

Exactly, but it still does not deny the fact that new people tend not to read them before they post. We tell them to read the rules, but they still won't. If they get banned, they will probably come back with an alt and ask the same question.

If only we could force them through a long, tedious sign up, maybe that would encourage them to act more responsible. Don't ask how I will think that will help.

It doesn't. and we do ask them to read them. Not to mention it's right there. If they come back with an alt then that will most likely get banned as well. It's not up to us, it's all up them. If they don't read them then it's their fault.

[Edited on 03.06.2008 11:25 AM PST]

  • 03.06.2008 10:14 AM PDT
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Posted by: Ada Astra
Posted by: SS_Zag1
As said; ignorance of the rules is not an excuse.

Exactly, but it still does not deny the fact that new people tend not to read them before they post. We tell them to read the rules, but they still won't. If they get banned, they will probably come back with an alt and ask the same question.

If only we could force them through a long, tedious sign up, maybe that would encourage them to act more responsible. Don't ask how I will think that will help.

It doesn't. and we do ask them to read them. Not to mentioned it's right there. If they come back with an alt then that will most likely get banned as well. It's not up to us, it's all up them. If they don't read them then it's their fault.


Sure, it's their fault, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to make things better. I think that a 24-hour period of no posting and a 48-72 hour no-creating-threads would be very beneficial.

  • 03.06.2008 10:30 AM PDT

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Posted by: CAVX
Sure, it's their fault, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to make things better. I think that a 24-hour period of no posting and a 48-72 hour no-creating-threads would be very beneficial.


I see that as an obstacle that would just push many people away from the community. We want people to come here and enjoy the many delicacies of B.net. Making people wait isn't helpful, I for one know I wouldn't wait that long to join a community and interact with it. Maybe it is because I have better understanding now and I read the CoC and ToU of other forums I visit.

People are at fault for their own violations even if they they did not know that they were violating the rules. Moderators do a swell job of enforcing the rules and helping new users with the rules even if the user broke any rule. I will say again with more emphasis...The Community, or the members who know best, should set an example of the behavior, posting, and social interaction that B.net comes to expect. Knowing the rules and knowing how to apply them are the best way for new people to get acquainted with the community. The users that don't catch on and continue to swim in their stupidity get banned any how. The system is almost flawless.

They come, they learn, they might get a ban, they continue on with a new perspective on B.net.

or...

They come, they don't learn, they get banned, they come back again, they don't learn, permabanned.

It really works out nicely. I would hope that many new users choose to come, learn, and play nice. :)

  • 03.06.2008 10:39 AM PDT

Posted by: Ostrichman07
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Ostrich I really wanna sig you, but need some fresh stuffs.
So make with the funneh.

Bit­ch don't tell me what to do.

I think a 24 hour period would be way too long for a waiting period. I was thinking more along the lines of an hour. That way they can look around the site if they would like to. Then they might notice the stickies or the CoC, ToS, or even the search feature. Also this would help against people like Pillage making new alts all the time to post one thread that he is going to get banned for. I know it is not going to prevent him from doing this. It would just create more of a hassle for people that have that mentality.

Also if they don't want to search around the forums in that hour, they don't have to. They could just come back in an hour.

  • 03.06.2008 10:47 AM PDT

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Posted by: a420ballaAZ2
I think a 24 hour period would be way too long for a waiting period. I was thinking more along the lines of an hour. That way they can look around the site if they would like to. Then they might notice the stickies or the CoC, ToS, or even the search feature.


I believe that if people are directed towards the stickies that it would be much more effective. However, they are directed towards the CoC and ToS via account creation.

  • 03.06.2008 10:56 AM PDT
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The Community, or the members who know best, should set an example of the behavior, posting, and social interaction that B.net comes to expect. Knowing the rules and knowing how to apply them are the best way for new people to get acquainted with the community. The users that don't catch on and continue to swim in their stupidity get banned any how. The system is almost flawless.


That's kind of why I was thinking about the introduction period. For people to get a chance to watch the community and see how both good and bad behavior are treated. Maybe then they could actually know not to create an account just to post that thread about Recon or whatever these hooligans do nowadays.

Anyway, I suppose you're right that the restriction would just drive people away. Anyway, I definitely like the no-thread period as it is right now.

  • 03.06.2008 10:58 AM PDT

Posted by: Ostrichman07
Posted by: a420ballaAZ2
Ostrich I really wanna sig you, but need some fresh stuffs.
So make with the funneh.

Bit­ch don't tell me what to do.

Posted by: Zee JollyRoger
Posted by: a420ballaAZ2
I think a 24 hour period would be way too long for a waiting period. I was thinking more along the lines of an hour. That way they can look around the site if they would like to. Then they might notice the stickies or the CoC, ToS, or even the search feature.


I believe that if people are directed towards the stickies that it would be much more effective. However, they are directed towards the CoC and ToS via account creation.

I am not ashamed to say that I didn't read any of that when I signed up here. Being directed to the stickies probably would be a good idea. Maybe if you had to open at least one stickie before posting.

  • 03.06.2008 11:06 AM PDT
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The waiting period we have now is enough.

If people read the rules and followed them there wouldn't be problems. I read these forums for well over a month before joining the site, so I knew a little, that being said, I still didn't know the ins-and-outs.

You really do have to learn by doing, so its probably fine that a few members post their first topic in the wrong forum, at least they will (hopefully) learn from it.

  • 03.06.2008 12:47 PM PDT

I'm going to rewrite what I said earlier now that I have more time.

No, we don't need a waiting period. If people don't look at the rules it's their own fault. yes, we should try to help them if they broke the rules, but through PMs. This has been said many times but we just need to report the thread and not reply to it.

  • 03.06.2008 2:37 PM PDT

I am somewhat on the fence about this issue, but I'm leaning slightly towards a no in this case. I think that it could help to deter spammers, because they would have to wait a few hours before they could post and they might think that isn't worth the wait. There will be those who have the patience, but that whole thing is really only a minor part of my opinion.

I don't know that a waiting period would be all that effective in getting people to read the rules, though. For example, say that someone is paying their first visit to bungie.net and they're the kind of person who likes to spontaneously sign up for web boards the instant they see them. They create a WLID and a bungie.net login, and then access the forums. If they're immediately confronted with a discussion that they have a strong opinion on, they will not be able to post in that thread until the "no posting" restriction is lifted, which could be a bit of an inconvenience.

It might be good for some of those spontaneus signer-uppers who would immediately create a bungie.net account and might need a bit of a stop sign saying "Whoa, hold on a second, take some time to browse around the site before posting", but the fact of the matter is that a decent amount of the population most likely looks around the site before they create an account. For those people, it might be a tad inconvenient to have to wait to participate in the forums.

I know that I personally took the time to get acquainted with the basics of the forums before I signed up, anyway. I checked out the rules, but I did not read the ToU or the CoC when signing up -- I knew that I wasn't going to be using bungie.net to inconvenience anyone else, and I certainly wasn't going to do anything illegal. Just using your common sense when posting should keep you out of trouble, and I think that if everyone did that, we wouldn't have the problems that sometimes arise, like spamming, which ultimately creates suggestions for this kind of feature.

I think that there's also an attractive social element to being able to sign up and start discussing things instantly, without having to wait to be able to post. Again I'm using myself as an example because I can only speak for myself, but I would rather be able to create an account and start talking to people right away, instead of having to wait.

I think that we're fine with the system we have now. People who break the rules get punished, and I suppose that's really what matters in the end.

[Edited on 03.06.2008 4:03 PM PST]

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