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Posted by: volkom72
how do you know if you've been blacklisted?
When you are blacklisted you will be unable to post in the public forums until your ban expires. When you try to post you are re-directed to a screen that informs you about your ban and its duration as well as who banned you and a link to the thread that details why you were banned.

Also as Batzter said below me your old posts will be hidden while you are blacklisted unless you started the topic then instead of being able to see your post it will be replaced with red writing which informs people in the topic that the OP (original Poster) has been blacklisted.

Hope this has helped ;-)

[Edited on 03.08.2008 3:35 AM PST]

  • 03.08.2008 3:26 AM PDT
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Edit: What Tom said. Add to that that your old posts will be hidden while you are blacklisted.

[Edited on 03.08.2008 3:28 AM PST]

  • 03.08.2008 3:26 AM PDT
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Posted by: High Truth
Don't worry about it Tom T. I see your avatar and your name, and I know who you are, because I've seen you around. I don't care what title you have, and I'm willing to bet a lot of people don't care either.

Regardless of what two words are next to your username; you are Tom T 117. Others would probably save themselves a lot of stress if they realized that, as you seem to have.


Exactly, heck I've seen Mythic members that didn't know the in's and outs of the forums at all. I always look at a persons name to try and remember them before I look at their title.

For instance, I saw High Truth's name, remembered an earlier post of his, and based my thoughts of that, not his title.

Same goes for everyone.

  • 03.08.2008 5:47 AM PDT

etc etc/glaringly obvious/and so on, and such <=Not redundant!
Posted by: Cr4ne Style
Taxes do nothing to affect the share of wealth, since taxes are only applied to income.

So that's not even a part of the conversation at all, so it's pointless talking about it....

"for a "best" moral to exist, there must exist the "best" moral base. If the base of morality varies from location to location, culture to culture...then there can't be an absolute moral..

this is an interesting comment. as far as i know, there are no official bungie-made pages where bnet users can learn about how member titles are awarded. and, when achronos does decide to tell any of us any details about the system at all, he is admittedly tight-lipped and he tells us time and time again how much we do not know about the system. but, even though bnet members are deliberately kept in the dark about how member titles function, achronos has told this guy that he would know better if he were a real legendary member.

i do not see how that follows. as far as i can tell (and this is merely a guess since we have no official access to most factors of trust ratings), one can earn a member title by having an account for some period of time, for making some number of posts, and for not getting too many bans. meeting those criteria hardly entails that someone should have greater understanding of the trust system. furthermore, since the member titles are awarded based on an automated program that uses various activity related factors, how is it possible for there to be a distinction between a real legendary member and a bogus legendary member? if legendary members have earned their titles the same way, then how on earth could any of us tell the difference between a real legendary member and a phony one?

also, in this post achronos has told a bnet member that if he were a real legendary member that he would better understand how things work around here. i wonder what would happen to bnet members if they were to use such phrases when they disagree with other posters.
Posted by: Achronos
Here's a quick tip: if you're whining about what title you have, YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT AND THUS DESERVE NOTHING. A "real" heroic or legendary member knows that have to earn their title, and if you got banned recently, consider yourself lucky to have any title at all. Hmmm, I think I will do just that... this whining about "my title went down" has gotten a little out of hand.

  • 03.08.2008 8:53 AM PDT

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Posted by: sesquipadelian
this is an interesting comment. as far as i know, there are no official bungie-made pages where bnet users can learn about how member titles are awarded. and, when achronos does decide to tell any of us any details about the system at all, he is admittedly tight-lipped and he tells us time and time again how much we do not know about the system. but, even though bnet members are deliberately kept in the dark about how member titles function, achronos has told this guy that he would know better if he were a real legendary member.

also, in this post achronos has told a bnet member that if he were a real legendary member that he would better understand how things work around here. i wonder what would happen to bnet members if they were to use such phrases when they disagree with other posters.
Posted by: Achronos
Here's a quick tip: if you're whining about what title you have, YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT AND THUS DESERVE NOTHING. A "real" heroic or legendary member knows that have to earn their title, and if you got banned recently, consider yourself lucky to have any title at all. Hmmm, I think I will do just that... this whining about "my title went down" has gotten a little out of hand.


I interpreted Achronos's post as saying that if you have a title, you shouldn't be whining about not having a higher one, because that's not the point of titles. He didn't mean they have an integral knowledge of the system, but that they have a basic understanding that they earned the title, and if they lost it, it means they didn't earn it.

  • 03.08.2008 8:58 AM PDT
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Posted by: Spartan_1089
Also, at the Member Titles Thread it says this:
"LEGENDARY MEMBER
* Legendary Members are those members who have gained a certain amount of trust throughout their Bnet life. Usually this is for the members who have been here a while, haven't received many warnings (if any) or bans (if any). There are more than likely other factors as well (but we'll never know). Usually they have been here longer than "Heroic Members."

You do realize that that thread is a guesstimate right? I know almost nothing on how the title system works. Everything that I posted has been taken from observation, guesses, and Achronos' posts on the matter. That thread is simply MY interpretation of how the system works. I don't actually know how it works. I even say that at the bottom.

  • 03.08.2008 9:37 AM PDT
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The system works in mysterious ways and it's best if people didn't waste their time trying to figure it out. You are what you are, it's a freaking set of letters next to your name, and it has no redeemable value whatsoever. Unless you count a slight color change as a redeemable value, but whatever.

  • 03.08.2008 10:07 AM PDT

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We're barely, we're just a collection of cells
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Posted by: Captain K Mart
The system works in mysterious ways and it's best if people didn't waste their time trying to figure it out. You are what you are, it's a freaking set of letters next to your name, and it has no redeemable value whatsoever. Unless you count a slight color change as a redeemable value, but whatever.

pssht, my Legendary title gets me women all the time (only catch is that I have to pay them, wierd), got me promoted to Head Fry Cook, and beleive it or not, I won $5 on a scratch off lottery ticket. Coincidence? I think not.

  • 03.08.2008 10:13 AM PDT

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Wow

Its because you got blacklisted. This in turn, reduces your trust rating making t go down below the piont it needs to be to retain your status.

At least im guess thats how it goes.

[Edited on 03.08.2008 10:19 AM PST]

  • 03.08.2008 10:19 AM PDT

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Posted by: twinkiemaker
pssht, my Legendary title gets me women all the time (only catch is that I have to pay them, wierd), got me promoted to Head Fry Cook, and beleive it or not, I won $5 on a scratch off lottery ticket. Coincidence? I think not.

I thought that has more to do with the fact that all the other cooks died in that mysterious grease fire?

  • 03.08.2008 10:38 AM PDT
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I'm sorry but, in my eyes, the fact that you would complain makes you not worthy of it. What does the title do? Nothing, you can do no more than I can at Member rank. It serves no real purpose, and the fact that you are so stressed about loosing it is not a plus. And before you berate me for being some "New Member" and not knowing what I'm talking about; I've been around since late 03 early 04, just changed names for XBL and Windows Live account purposes. You don't see me whining about not having a title do you?

It Does Nothing!

  • 03.08.2008 11:30 AM PDT

yoo•zel- ('yoo-zhul): slang: vb.

Officium quod Fidelitas.

heheh... My PM box is full of those complaints.


Posted by: Achronos
Anybody who gets banned loses their title. Period. Once the ban expires, the next time trust is updated (it is a daily thing), the system removes the minus infinity modifier on your trust rating, but you still have the negative influencer from having a recent ban in your history.

In your case, you got demoted ultimately to Heroic. Although, I probably should file a warning against you for whining about your title. Here's a quick tip: if you're whining about what title you have, YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT AND THUS DESERVE NOTHING. A "real" heroic or legendary member knows that have to earn their title, and if you got banned recently, consider yourself lucky to have any title at all. Hmmm, I think I will do just that... this whining about "my title went down" has gotten a little out of hand.

  • 03.08.2008 11:33 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cockburnicus
You missed the point like Vader missed the banshee, your whole argument is covered in bees.
Stop sending me group invites -blam!-s!

Member titles shouldn't be an issue, I used to be heroic but you didn't see me making a thread about it when I was demoted. In fact this is the first time I've mentioned it in the public forums. Titles mean nothing, they are not how much a moderator or Bungie employee thinks you are trusted, it is how much a computer formula thinks you are trusted.

  • 03.08.2008 11:39 AM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
Anybody who gets banned loses their title. Period. Once the ban expires, the next time trust is updated (it is a daily thing), the system removes the minus infinity modifier on your trust rating, but you still have the negative influencer from having a recent ban in your history.

In your case, you got demoted ultimately to Heroic. Although, I probably should file a warning against you for whining about your title. Here's a quick tip: if you're whining about what title you have, YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT AND THUS DESERVE NOTHING. A "real" heroic or legendary member knows that have to earn their title, and if you got banned recently, consider yourself lucky to have any title at all. Hmmm, I think I will do just that... this whining about "my title went down" has gotten a little out of hand.

wow thats a bit harsh don't you think? I just wanted to know about member demotions and whether they come back or not, I never heard anyone talk about how they lost their status so I was just asking. No need to get so harsh Achronos, as far as I know, I didn't disrespect anybody or anything bad and I really didn't feel like this thread was about "whining" it was about a question from a personal experience. I see worse things on the forum everyday.. So you "filed a warning" against me...what exactly does this mean? I still think that's a bit too much there...but whatever, I'll shut up. I apologize to anyone I offended or bothered (Achronos, Yoozel).

  • 03.08.2008 12:16 PM PDT

etc etc/glaringly obvious/and so on, and such <=Not redundant!
Posted by: Cr4ne Style
Taxes do nothing to affect the share of wealth, since taxes are only applied to income.

So that's not even a part of the conversation at all, so it's pointless talking about it....

"for a "best" moral to exist, there must exist the "best" moral base. If the base of morality varies from location to location, culture to culture...then there can't be an absolute moral..

earlier achronos made the following comments:
Posted by: Achronos
I probably should file a warning against you for whining about your title.

A "real" heroic or legendary member knows that have to earn their title, and if you got banned recently, consider yourself lucky to have any title at all.


anf then roman made the following remark about my post:
Posted by: roman arrow12
I interpreted Achronos's post as saying that if you have a title, you shouldn't be whining about not having a higher one, because that's not the point of titles. He didn't mean they have an integral knowledge of the system, but that they have a basic understanding that they earned the title, and if they lost it, it means they didn't earn it.


when i read achronos say that if a poster were a real legendary member then he would have known better, i took him to mean just that. his statement is direct and is a simple conditional statement. since there is no intrinsic connection between earning a member title and knowing something specific about how member titles are awarded, i pointed this out. if you take his statement to mean something else, then have at it.

looking over achronos's post i noticed something else that strikes me as odd. achronos claims that he has the right mind to warn someone for whining about his member title. if it is indeed against the rules to whine about member titles, and if users can be punished for moaning about their titles (which lowers their titles), then i think that it would be wise to make this rule publicly known. as far as i am aware, none of the forum rules pages state that it is forbidden to whine about member titles. i do not know about the rest of you, but i personally find it a bit frustrating to get banned for breaking some unwritten rule. if people are going to be punished for violating some rule, then i think that everyone would benefit if that rule were added to the rules page.

  • 03.08.2008 12:36 PM PDT

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Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

Posted by: sesquipadelian
If people are going to be punished for violating some rule, then i think that everyone would benefit if that rule were added to the rules page.


Sure, in an ideal setting, it would help.

However, it seems that most people don't even read the rules anyways. Further more, the administration isn't required to list all of the rules, or any for that matter. This is a private website, and it can be run as they see fit (granted that they adhere to the laws regarding electronic communications and publications).

"You have no rights. Play nice."

  • 03.08.2008 12:43 PM PDT

etc etc/glaringly obvious/and so on, and such <=Not redundant!
Posted by: Cr4ne Style
Taxes do nothing to affect the share of wealth, since taxes are only applied to income.

So that's not even a part of the conversation at all, so it's pointless talking about it....

"for a "best" moral to exist, there must exist the "best" moral base. If the base of morality varies from location to location, culture to culture...then there can't be an absolute moral..

here are my responses:
1) yes, you are right. but, if this is the case, then what reason would there be to not simply add this rule to the rules pages? from what we have seen from the mods who have posted here (including achronos, whom i will quote here), "this whining about "my title went down" has gotten a little out of hand." if this posting behavior is unwanted and against the rules, then a single addition to the rules page will help eliminate frustration experienced by members and mods alike.

this sort of thing happens all of the time. the rick roll phenomenon popped up, and they added a rule. the 'i can haz recon' phenomenon popped up, and they added a rule. i simply pointed out what i took to be non-contentious, that everyone would be better served if certain forms of behavior may result in punishment, that these kinds of violations should be made known.

2) yes, you are right again. they can make any rules that they would like. if they wanted to ban me for having a bnet name that starts with the letter 'S', then they could do so. but, creating and enforcing such ad hoc rules and not sharing these rules with bnet members does not seem like a fair practice, not does it seem like an effective way to promote sought after kinds of posts. if any mods are going to complain about how various rules are not followed, then it makes sense to me that they should let us all know that we are expected to follow those rules.

in this case, if they do not wish to see threads moaning about member titles, and if they are going to punish people for making them, then i see no reason for them not to add this rule to the forum rules page. we do not need to wish for an "ideal setting" to see this, a mod could just edit the existing rules page with one simple sentence.

if Spartan1089 received an official warning for whining about member titles, and if anyone else were to receive them, i suspect that they would appreciate having this enforcible yet unwritten rule added to the rules page. enforcing rules that are not published seems to benefit no one yet frustrate many.

Posted by: prometheus25
Posted by: sesquipadelian
If people are going to be punished for violating some rule, then i think that everyone would benefit if that rule were added to the rules page.


1) Sure, in an ideal setting, it would help.

2) However, it seems that most people don't even read the rules anyways. Further more, the administration isn't required to list all of the rules, or any for that matter. This is a private website, and it can be run as they see fit (granted that they adhere to the laws regarding electronic communications and publications).

"You have no rights. Play nice."


[Edited on 03.08.2008 1:03 PM PST]

  • 03.08.2008 1:00 PM PDT

Posted by: Mr SnuggIy
So I think Jun's a master chef, because he takes off his helmet and your like whoa, I think he's a chef.

So to shorten this up, Jun is master chef.

Posted by: XIX Goodeye XIX
Getting blacklisted 2 TIMES can mean a lot.

The key word there is can. I've been blacklisted multiple times, one of them being a permanent ban and another very recently (November), and I'm a Legendary Member. I haven't even been here two years.

I don't think that we'll ever know how it works.

[Edited on 03.08.2008 1:09 PM PST]

  • 03.08.2008 1:08 PM PDT

Old school Bungie, born and raised,
In the Septagon is where I spend most of my days.
Relaxin', maxin', posting all cool,
Talking about Halo, life and some school.
Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

@ Sesqui

Yes, I do agree with you. If it were a problem then they should amend the rules to include this. If not so people can read it, then to be able to point at it and say "It's there, so it's your fault for not reading it.".

  • 03.08.2008 1:20 PM PDT
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thanks for the responses guys, but It doesn't look like I can "win" here though. He filed a warning against me for an unwritten rule about "whining over titles". He said the whining was getting out of hand, but I really don't see how by making one thread with a few posts in it. It's not like I was mashing the keys down and having a temper tantrum and cursing at all Bungie mods.

  • 03.08.2008 1:31 PM PDT

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