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Subject: Thread Bumping and How it Can Help

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstien

I know it is a pretty big rule not to bump threads here. It is the fast track to getting things locked or even getting a temp ban. I learned that lesson on my first thread which I bumped after a 24 hour period and got an instant one week ban.

But in all honesty, why do we not allow bumping of topics? Is it to avoid giving one person's topic more attention than another's? To avoid spam? Both these are interesting points, except they conflict with two other things on this site: The lack of a post count and the search button.

I think bumping is a useful tool that should be given back the members. It keeps things organized, keeps topics from being repeated, and cleans up the search results by limiting those repeats. But then comes the question of how do we avoid jealousy of topic attention merely from bumping? The answer is what people have been yelling at me for months. Once the topic is posted it is no longer yours, so getting jealous of the community's topic is redundant.

Alas, most members do not think this way. But that is beside the point. Bumping would keep discussion in one topic since it will appear on the front page more often and allow for newer members to see it there before instantly hitting the "create topic" button.

[edit] - To further this process. I suggest that when a moderator lock a topic for duplication of previous threads, they also link to the previous topic rather than just say "use the search button". In it's current state, the search button is a disaster.

[Edited on 03.10.2008 6:49 PM PDT]

  • 03.10.2008 6:47 PM PDT

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It could be abused immensely. And if someone's topic get locked for bumping, they're going to use that new rule against the moderators. It is the members' responsibility to decide what topics will survive.
Keep things organized? Not likely. Even if this power is only bestowed onto moderators, it wouldn't be fair to play favorites.

  • 03.10.2008 6:56 PM PDT

Bumping is not allowed for several reasons, mostly the ones that you listed. If a topic is not getting much activity, people probably aren't interested in it, and the topic should be allowed to die. Bumping brings back these dying/ uninteresting/ spam topics to the first page, which in turn brings any interesting topics further down the page. Besides, that would be a privilege that would be abused to no end. That's why it is against the rules.

I hope that helps.
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[Edited on 03.10.2008 7:01 PM PDT]

  • 03.10.2008 6:59 PM PDT

Like what cortana 5 said, if bumping were allowed then people would just find ways to abuse it, just because they want more people to view their video or something. If the thread is well planned out then it wouldn't need to be carelessly bumped just so more people could see it.

  • 03.10.2008 7:00 PM PDT

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstien

Then rules can be set in place to avoid bumping abuse, such as time limits for bumping posts (2hours, 12hours, 48 hours, etc) as well as two bump limit before new replies. The main reason this forum is so hard to find anything on is the sheer number of locked repeat topics.

Bumping works on every other forum, including ones with traffic equivalent to this site.

[Edited on 03.10.2008 7:04 PM PDT]

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Posted by: cortana 5
It could be abused immensely. And if someone's topic get locked for bumping, they're going to use that new rule against the moderators. It is the members' responsibility to decide what topics will survive.
Keep things organized? Not likely. Even if this power is only bestowed onto moderators, it wouldn't be fair to play favorites.

Agreed.

This idea, if you look closely, the members are already disobeying your idea. Threads about topics that are still on the front page; if not the first two to three pages. Bumping would just worsen it; especially in the Files Forums. We don't bump for a reason. If the community doesn't see it as a worthy topic, then it dies, mainly because the topic of discussion bored many and wasn't what you would call 'interesting'.

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Then rules can be set in place to avoid bumping abuse, such as time limits for bumping posts (2hours, 12hours, 48 hours, etc) as well as two bump limit before new replies. The main reason this forum is so hard to find anything on is the sheer number of locked repeat topics.

Bumping works on every other forum, including ones with traffic equivalent to this site.

I would still be apposed to this. If you have a thread of interest to yourself, save the thread or put it in your favorites/bookmarks. That's what the tools are there for.

As for the last bit, Bungie.Net is anything but every other site.


[Edited on 03.10.2008 7:08 PM PDT]

  • 03.10.2008 7:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: Coffey4780
Like what cortana 5 said, if bumping were allowed then people would just find ways to abuse it, just because they want more people to view their video or something. If the thread is well planned out then it wouldn't need to be carelessly bumped just so more people could see it.

Sadly, most well thought out posts in other forums but the Septagon get drowned by the spam of new topics being created.

I find it strange that no matter what new feature could be added, most everyone says there would be ways to abuse it. When I suggested the report post button and fought hard for how couldn't be possibly abused in any way, many many people from this forum said it would be abused immensely. Yet here we are, with a report button. We even have member ranks which I have fought at least a year for.

  • 03.10.2008 7:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
Then rules can be set in place to avoid bumping abuse, such as time limits for bumping posts (2hours, 12hours, 48 hours, etc) as well as two bump limit before new replies. The main reason this forum is so hard to find anything on is the sheer number of locked repeat topics.

Bumping works on every other forum, including ones with traffic equivalent to this site.

Well, if you're talking about a bump button...
Pointless threads can still be bumped. People can always post again to bump the thread even more. It's far to easy to abuse.

Many sites probably do have traffic equivalent to Bungie.net. But we have different people, and a lot of attention seekers, spammers, and trolls.

  • 03.10.2008 7:07 PM PDT

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Not a button, merely posting. Since we lack post counts, bumping for count would be pointless. Not only that, but bumping several times a day would be obvious spam and result in most likely a ban for such members (helping clean out all the attention seekers and spammers). Giving more temptation for such rule breakers brings them into light and allows you to get rid of them.

I think the biggest thing I hate about this forum is that people here are extremely against change, and are willing to sacrifice the rights and universal features of members just to stop the minority from abusing things.

  • 03.10.2008 7:11 PM PDT

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Not a button, merely posting. Since we lack post counts, bumping for count would be pointless. Not only that, but bumping several times a day would be obvious spam and result in most likely a ban for such members (helping clean out all the attention seekers and spammers). Giving more temptation for such rule breakers brings them into light and allows you to get rid of them.

I think the biggest thing I hate about this forum is that people here are extremely against change, and are willing to sacrifice the rights and universal features of members just to stop the minority from abusing things.


We're like old people. Well, me at least. (Down with change!)

Anyways, it would be soooo hard to comb though all of the threads created daily. Even if you put a "bumped X amount of times" on threads.

It would become an actual job for the moderators.

Since when do we lack posts? Even if you are seeing less posts that there should be, it might actually be a good thing. It could show that there are more quality posts than massive amounts of spam.

[Edited on 03.10.2008 7:17 PM PDT]

  • 03.10.2008 7:15 PM PDT

Why do people in ship mutinies always ask for "better treatment"? I'd ask for a pinball machine, because with all that rocking back and forth, you'd get a lot of free games.

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words - "mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.

No, that is really, bad people would abuse this so much. If no one wants to see the tread why keep it on the front page?

If you first post has good content and is relevant there is no need to bump.

The only way you could legally 'bumb' is quoting different people and answering them back to back, within reason.

  • 03.10.2008 7:20 PM PDT
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Why would you ever allow the OP to bump a post..? Even if it's still relevent, if it's a contentless post, it takes up valuable frontpage space and simply becomes spam. Utterly pointless endeavour.

  • 03.10.2008 7:21 PM PDT

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Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
Not a button, merely posting. Since we lack post counts, bumping for count would be pointless. Not only that, but bumping several times a day would be obvious spam and result in most likely a ban for such members (helping clean out all the attention seekers and spammers). Giving more temptation for such rule breakers brings them into light and allows you to get rid of them.

I think the biggest thing I hate about this forum is that people here are extremely against change, and are willing to sacrifice the rights and universal features of members just to stop the minority from abusing things.


We're like old people. Well, me at least. (Down with change!)

Anyways, it would be soooo hard to comb though all of the threads created daily. Even if you put a "bumped X amount of times" on threads.

It would become an actual job for the moderators.

Since when do we lack posts? Even if you are seeing less posts that there should be, it might actually be a good thing. It could show that there are more quality posts than massive amounts of spam.

It is not about lacking posts, it is about keeping topic repeats to a minimum. If a topic appears more on the front page than just once, then it will be seen by more people, and therefore give it more than one chance to have people who might be interested in the topic to see it rather than having them all create new posts and maybe having two of them catch on.

Posted by: Top_Gun_2021
No, that is really, bad people would abuse this so much. If no one wants to see the tread why keep it on the front page?

If you first post has good content and is relevant there is no need to bump.

The only way you could legally 'bumb' is quoting different people and answering them back to back, within reason.


Posted by: elmicker
Why would you ever allow the OP to bump a post..? Even if it's still relevent, if it's a contentless post, it takes up valuable frontpage space and simply becomes spam. Utterly pointless endeavour.


Even if the content is constructive, intelligent, well formated and interesting it still falls victim to that one chance it will have to be seen on the front page. If it is bumped once or twice, that gives it a couple more chances to catch on. If that fails then the topic is truly uninteresting to the rest of the people and the poster can give up. If they refuse to give up and keep bumping the topic, then they will get it locked and probably be banned for spam. It is that simple.

  • 03.10.2008 7:28 PM PDT
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There's no lack of exposure. If it doesnt catch on the first time, it isn't likely to catch on the 2nd or 3rd times, either. And repeat/bumped threads make the place look untidy. The fact is, if no one wants to read your thread, no matter how much you bump it, it's not going to get read.

  • 03.10.2008 7:31 PM PDT

Why do people in ship mutinies always ask for "better treatment"? I'd ask for a pinball machine, because with all that rocking back and forth, you'd get a lot of free games.

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words - "mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.

We have a search feature that helps repeated topics, but there are going to be repeats for those who want to discuss a topic that has been inactive for more than 30 days.

  • 03.10.2008 7:33 PM PDT

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How can you be so sure? Who is to say that someone who was interested in the topic wont log on in the next hour, or maybe the next day? The fact of the matter is one chance is never enough. If everything was run on one chance or fail, then this world wouldn't get very far. Light bulbs, electricity, planes, boats, rockets, space stations, medicine... all of this would be unheard of if we everything only got one chance to succeed.

  • 03.10.2008 7:35 PM PDT

Why do people in ship mutinies always ask for "better treatment"? I'd ask for a pinball machine, because with all that rocking back and forth, you'd get a lot of free games.

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words - "mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.

Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
How can you be so sure? Who is to say that someone who was interested in the topic wont log on in the next hour, or maybe the next day? The fact of the matter is one chance is never enough. If everything was run on one chance or fail, then this world wouldn't get very far. Light bulbs, electricity, planes, boats, rockets, space stations, medicine... all of this would be unheard of if we everything only got one chance to succeed.


There is one fatal flaw in that post, this is Bnet, not the world.

  • 03.10.2008 7:37 PM PDT
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The report button can be abused. There have been actions taken to curb and punish abuse, but I won't go into those. I'm only bringing that up because you said it was completely safe from abuse. Its not. Plain and simple.

I'm against this idea. Forums are here for discussions. In order to discuss something, you need more content that bumps. Look at the file forums now. You'd be hard pressed to find any actual discussion. It seems to mostly be bumps and reaction to bumps. That's not a discussion, its stupid and pointless. Being that bumping is a needless attention seeking action, I don't see why we should tolerate it. Being that bumping does not usually generate pertinent discussion, I see it as only a retraction from what a forum is supposed to be.

I think bumping causes more problems than it fixes. I don't see any real pros that we could get from allowing it. The only potential outcomes I see from allowing bumping is...well...more bumping and way less discussion. So, I'm against this idea.

[Edited on 03.10.2008 7:41 PM PDT]

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Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
The fact of the matter is one chance is never enough....


Actually, yes, it is.

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A good idea that i have seen other sites impliment is a button that bumps your thread instantly to the top of the page. The site i have seen this on uses this feature well and it seems to work.

How the button works is, everyone who makes a topic gets a number of "free" bumps, lets say 2, that whenever they want they can press the button and get it to the top of the forum, but only twice. After that, once a day. and after a period of a couple of days no bumps are givin for that topic.

This would get people to get their topic bumped without creating a bunch of useless posts.

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A good idea that i have seen other sites impliment is a button that bumps your thread instantly to the top of the page. The site i have seen this on uses this feature well and it seems to work.

How the button works is, everyone who makes a topic gets a number of "free" bumps, lets say 2, that whenever they want they can press the button and get it to the top of the forum, but only twice. After that, once a day. and after a period of a couple of days no bumps are givin for that topic.

This would get people to get their topic bumped without creating a bunch of useless posts.

This has been addressed above. While it can be used to keep good topics up, it is far easier to abuse the system so spam or uninteresing topics stay on top.

  • 03.10.2008 7:49 PM PDT
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Limiting the bump button is the main point there. If they bump the topic in ANY other way theres grounds for instant banning. People are going to spam/bump reguardless if there is, isnt a rule against it, a button or not. I think a limited bump button would be best if you WERE looking for a way for honest topics to be bumped.

If this forums always wants bumping to be outlawed, the yes, that is a stupid idea.

[Edited on 03.10.2008 7:57 PM PDT]

  • 03.10.2008 7:56 PM PDT