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Posted by: Lucas_Snow
The people who would miss use this feature far outweigh the members who would not at the moment. Honor and Respect is not a popular motif here, popularity is.
That is an assumption. This is a common problem with b.net members. They lack trust. No one here trusts anyone with anything, so the community ends up being one of the most distant ones I have ever been part of. We really wouldn't know if we tried, so saying it wouldn't work right off the bat is already a flawed way to look at things.
Posted by: Lucas_Snow
This is just making more work for an already overworked group of moderators not to mention the work it would take to program in such limitations. And for the few people who would use it right, compared to the majority who would not?
A solution would be to get more moderators. I would happily take control of it BY MYSELF just so that I know I contributed to the community and gave it back a privilege that it deserves. And who said anything about programming? Moderation doesn't need programming, it is merely changing some text in the rules.
Posted by: Lucas_Snow
-Custom Avatars are not allowed so that we will not have to deal with unwanted material, check out some of the old spam attacks or even some of the Screen Shots posted, and you'll get an idea. Sure we could Ban people for it, or moderate every single avatar entry, but thats just more work for an already overworked Mod crew. They are volunteers, this is not a full time job.
Exactly, this forum just flat out avoids problems by removing anything that could possibly be abused. But what does that say about how much you trust your community? Bungie advertises so much community involvement and love for their fans, yet their forums display the EXACT OPPOSITE view. These forums are so restricting that I feel like I am a mindless drone among the rest of the members (another reason I make these threads is to get out of that feeling). We also hardly EVER see an employee post. I think that the community here is more like an ant farm being observed by Bungie than a beloved family of bungie fans and employees.
The moderators are also not volunteers. If they were, I would be a mod by now. Moderators are selected members, some of which I don't think deserve the title since they are merely fans and not members who want to moderate or have motivation to moderate (the ones who are inactive, only lurk, or just post like normal). But that is a rant for another day.
Posted by: Lucas_Snow
-Post counts have long since been used as: "I've got more posts than you, therefore I am better and your opinion does not matter, gtfo noob!!!111!!one!!11!" We do not condone such behavior here, so we don't hand them tools to do it. Member titles fall under the same category, but we got them in limited supply as a reward for the actual good community members.
Who gives a damn what someone says. Just because people act like idiots doesn't mean you should ruin it for everyone by removing such a simple, trivial feature. If someone acts elitist, just ignore them. It is that simple. It is up to the members, not the admins, to deal with egotistical jerks on the forums. The member titles have yet to get any flaming in such ways, despite the complete possibility that someone who just hasn't been banned and has bided their time here might get rewarded with and then use it as a status quo. The system is a system, so it can be cheated.
Posted by: Lucas_Snow
-We have signatures, as for pictures in them: see Above 'Avatar' notation.
When you see such an image, ban them. It is that simple. The more they post, the more likely they will get banned for the image. That cleans the forum of immature members at a most basic level. Same for avatars.
Posted by: Lucas_Snow
The fact is, on this forum, you are not here to progress, you are here to participate in community discussion with like minded people.
This is not a Social Networking site!
So what is it? A cork board where people just put pieces of paper that hold their opinions? A forum, by definition is: a public meeting or assembly for open discussion. If it isn't that, then why have it?
Progress is something that is required to keep members positive and active. It is not a purpose, but something that keeps members comfortable. If there is no motivation to discuss, then what is there to bide the time? Most honest members don't stay honest becuase their voices go unheard through conventional means. So they lash out by breaking rules just to get noticed. That may be their choice, but I think the atmosphere here might be what attributes to such a hostile community.
Posted by: Lucas_Snow
Again you are mistakenly assuming that only the good members will use said feature, you forget that the majority of our members do not fall under this category, as unfortunate as that is to say. I covered this above.
I have not mistaken anything. READ MY POSTS!. I have said several times now. THIS FEATURE WILL BE ABUSED. There is no avoiding abuse with anything that is put into the hands of the public. People crash cars, people kill people with guns, people drink too much, people OD, etc. There is never a perfectly good or perfectly bad freedom in the world. What I am saying is that don't let the few idiots ruin it for the many good members who will use the feature correctly. Most people will probably use it correctly after a few months, since the people who don't will be banned and slowly filtered out of the forum.
Privileges given to members also help expose bad eggs, because they are more tempted to abuse the privileges given to them and therefore abuse them more often and expose themselves. This is why other large forums have little to no spammers and rule breakers anymore. They are all banned.
I think this community should be given more credit than most here give them. One of the reasons we might not have many good members is because they have no incentive or reason to be good, and they feel like just another name on the list of registered users rather than an actual person the Bungie community cares about. The only thing on this forum that truly sets you apart is your screen name, and that is really not enough in today's world. Members like to stand out, so give them a way to do so without having to break the rules.
Custom avatars, post counts, member titles, signature images... all these things keep people happy and provide them with a reason to be good members.
Posted by: xfire grunt
I do have to admit signature's would be nice, (just a 200 visible character, or maybe less), one.But I don't know if it is possible/whether it would be abused too much. However I don't really see the point in "bumping". Other forums may allow them because they have around 300 members. Not to mention, those kinds of forums attract less "bad eggs", because well they aren't big, and spammers want attention so they go for the "big sites" like Bungie.
Most forums have upwards of 5,000 members, and the forum I used as an example and many others I attend have upwards of 10,000 to 100,000 members (the specific one I used had 200k+). And even in such high traffic sites, there is no abuse of so many features.