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UL7IM4 G33K, are you the same guy that founded GFX like a year ago?

  • 03.11.2008 5:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
It isn't an excuse, it is an example. I am giving you a more extreme look at your argument. You are arguing that people will abuse it, but what about the people who wont? Do we just forget them, throw the ability to use something out the window just because a few people ruined it for them?


I'm sorry but you're being to kind in assuming only good topics will be bumped.
The people who would miss use this feature far outweigh the members who would not at the moment. Honor and Respect is not a popular motif here, popularity is.

Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
Did you also forget the limits I explained? Bump wars would lead to getting topics locked. It is no different than spamming a topic to keep it at the top now, just that your first two bumps are free of consequence. Bumping, as I said, would be reserved for only a 12-24 hour period after posting or your first bump, meaning you would have to keep track of your thread as well as make sure you post after the time limit. This would keep threads bumped at different times, and allow new threads a 12 hour period to be seen and become popular discussion topics.


This is just making more work for an already overworked group of moderators not to mention the work it would take to program in such limitations. And for the few people who would use it right, compared to the majority who would not?

Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
I think the reason this forum is so bad is because there are so many rules to break, and so little to make yourself stand out that people will break rules just to feel like they are an individual. Custom avatars and post counts, as well as signatures and images in those satisfy the need for individuality every forum member has. Post counts and member titles satisfy their need for accomplishment and progression, making them feel more like a part of the community and less like a newbie.


-Custom Avatars are not allowed so that we will not have to deal with unwanted material, check out some of the old spam attacks or even some of the Screen Shots posted, and you'll get an idea. Sure we could Ban people for it, or moderate every single avatar entry, but thats just more work for an already overworked Mod crew. They are volunteers, this is not a full time job.

-Post counts have long since been used as: "I've got more posts than you, therefore I am better and your opinion does not matter, gtfo noob!!!111!!one!!11!" We do not condone such behavior here, so we don't hand them tools to do it. Member titles fall under the same category, but we got them in limited supply as a reward for the actual good community members.

-We have signatures, as for pictures in them: see Above 'Avatar' notation.

The fact is, on this forum, you are not here to progress, you are here to participate in community discussion with like minded people.

This is not a Social Networking site!

Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
I am not saying that everyone can just bump regardless, since abuse is obvious and can be judged, just like abuse of mere ability to post can be judged on whether is it legitimate or just plain abuse. I am saying give this tool to the community so the people who do need it can use it.


Again you are mistakenly assuming that only the good members will use said feature, you forget that the majority of our members do not fall under this category, as unfortunate as that is to say. I covered this above.

  • 03.11.2008 7:32 PM PDT

ONe way to fix the abuse problem of bumping would be a Bump "Button" that ONLY the author could use. Mabey even only once per 5-10 minutes. Ive seen this idea work for other forums and it drasticly dropped the amount of player made bumps.

Also with a Bump "Button" player made bumps could still be against rules sine it would be te authors responsibility to run his own thread and make sure it stays seen if he wants it to be seen.

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Posted by: Slaveck
ONe way to fix the abuse problem of bumping would be a Bump "Button" that ONLY the author could use. Mabey even only once per 5-10 minutes. Ive seen this idea work for other forums and it drasticly dropped the amount of player made bumps


What.

How on earth could this possibly help?! If no one posts in a thread it should die. That is how forums work. Providing the vain idiots that make threads on the forums in question with a method to bump their posts legally is pure idiocy. The issue is not double posts, it's the bumping.

Bumping. Is. Bad. k?

  • 03.11.2008 7:47 PM PDT

Posted by: elmicker
Bumping. Is. Bad. k?

All five pages and that's really all the OP needed to hear. =D

  • 03.11.2008 7:50 PM PDT

Posted by: elmicker
Posted by: Slaveck
ONe way to fix the abuse problem of bumping would be a Bump "Button" that ONLY the author could use. Mabey even only once per 5-10 minutes. Ive seen this idea work for other forums and it drasticly dropped the amount of player made bumps


What.

How on earth could this possibly help?! If no one posts in a thread it should die. That is how forums work. Providing the vain idiots that make threads on the forums in question with a method to bump their posts legally is pure idiocy. The issue is not double posts, it's the bumping.

Bumping. Is. Bad. k?


A thread that dies from no one posting on it could also be from all the Repeated Topics comming in the forums and from one thread being the center of attention at that moment. Excessive Bumping is bad. It also leads to spam posts which is why its not allowed. A button that only a author can use would work becuase im sure that not every thread maker stays on bungie.net 24/7 and it would still go down and fie if no one posted on it since only the author can use the button and if someone did bump it it would most likely get locked.

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I do have to admit signature's would be nice, (just a 200 visible character, or maybe less), one.But I don't know if it is possible/whether it would be abused too much. However I don't really see the point in "bumping". Other forums may allow them because they have around 300 members. Not to mention, those kinds of forums attract less "bad eggs", because well they aren't big, and spammers want attention so they go for the "big sites" like Bungie.

The only places where I think bumping is acceptable, is "advertisement" forums, basically where you ask questions are sell your 'gear' like in MMORPGs and things like that. Otherwise, on discussion forums, if your topic didn't get any replies its probably because of the fact that it didn't warrant discussion. That is unless you wrote a really long post on the Halo 3 forum, and nobody wanted to read it...... J/K. But otherwise, ussually topics that warrant discussion get "bumped" back. The only exception (IMO) is the files forum. I ussually am unsure of how to "act" there. Should I give a "rating" to something I download? Should I "post" for something I download?

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Posted by: Slaveck
A thread that dies from no one posting on it could also be from all the Repeated Topics comming in the forums and from one thread being the center of attention at that moment.

A thread that dies from no one posting in it could also be from all the -blam!- topics being bumped by their moronic authors who think they've got the god-given gift to post whatever the -blam!- tripe they want. I'd rather have a horde of -blam!- threads that spark up and die than a horde of -blam!- threads that spark up and die then get bumped back up again.

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Posted by: Lucas_Snow
The people who would miss use this feature far outweigh the members who would not at the moment. Honor and Respect is not a popular motif here, popularity is.

That is an assumption. This is a common problem with b.net members. They lack trust. No one here trusts anyone with anything, so the community ends up being one of the most distant ones I have ever been part of. We really wouldn't know if we tried, so saying it wouldn't work right off the bat is already a flawed way to look at things.
Posted by: Lucas_Snow
This is just making more work for an already overworked group of moderators not to mention the work it would take to program in such limitations. And for the few people who would use it right, compared to the majority who would not?

A solution would be to get more moderators. I would happily take control of it BY MYSELF just so that I know I contributed to the community and gave it back a privilege that it deserves. And who said anything about programming? Moderation doesn't need programming, it is merely changing some text in the rules.

Posted by: Lucas_Snow
-Custom Avatars are not allowed so that we will not have to deal with unwanted material, check out some of the old spam attacks or even some of the Screen Shots posted, and you'll get an idea. Sure we could Ban people for it, or moderate every single avatar entry, but thats just more work for an already overworked Mod crew. They are volunteers, this is not a full time job.

Exactly, this forum just flat out avoids problems by removing anything that could possibly be abused. But what does that say about how much you trust your community? Bungie advertises so much community involvement and love for their fans, yet their forums display the EXACT OPPOSITE view. These forums are so restricting that I feel like I am a mindless drone among the rest of the members (another reason I make these threads is to get out of that feeling). We also hardly EVER see an employee post. I think that the community here is more like an ant farm being observed by Bungie than a beloved family of bungie fans and employees.

The moderators are also not volunteers. If they were, I would be a mod by now. Moderators are selected members, some of which I don't think deserve the title since they are merely fans and not members who want to moderate or have motivation to moderate (the ones who are inactive, only lurk, or just post like normal). But that is a rant for another day.

Posted by: Lucas_Snow
-Post counts have long since been used as: "I've got more posts than you, therefore I am better and your opinion does not matter, gtfo noob!!!111!!one!!11!" We do not condone such behavior here, so we don't hand them tools to do it. Member titles fall under the same category, but we got them in limited supply as a reward for the actual good community members.

Who gives a damn what someone says. Just because people act like idiots doesn't mean you should ruin it for everyone by removing such a simple, trivial feature. If someone acts elitist, just ignore them. It is that simple. It is up to the members, not the admins, to deal with egotistical jerks on the forums. The member titles have yet to get any flaming in such ways, despite the complete possibility that someone who just hasn't been banned and has bided their time here might get rewarded with and then use it as a status quo. The system is a system, so it can be cheated.

Posted by: Lucas_Snow
-We have signatures, as for pictures in them: see Above 'Avatar' notation.

When you see such an image, ban them. It is that simple. The more they post, the more likely they will get banned for the image. That cleans the forum of immature members at a most basic level. Same for avatars.

Posted by: Lucas_Snow
The fact is, on this forum, you are not here to progress, you are here to participate in community discussion with like minded people.

This is not a Social Networking site!

So what is it? A cork board where people just put pieces of paper that hold their opinions? A forum, by definition is: a public meeting or assembly for open discussion. If it isn't that, then why have it?

Progress is something that is required to keep members positive and active. It is not a purpose, but something that keeps members comfortable. If there is no motivation to discuss, then what is there to bide the time? Most honest members don't stay honest becuase their voices go unheard through conventional means. So they lash out by breaking rules just to get noticed. That may be their choice, but I think the atmosphere here might be what attributes to such a hostile community.

Posted by: Lucas_Snow
Again you are mistakenly assuming that only the good members will use said feature, you forget that the majority of our members do not fall under this category, as unfortunate as that is to say. I covered this above.

I have not mistaken anything. READ MY POSTS!. I have said several times now. THIS FEATURE WILL BE ABUSED. There is no avoiding abuse with anything that is put into the hands of the public. People crash cars, people kill people with guns, people drink too much, people OD, etc. There is never a perfectly good or perfectly bad freedom in the world. What I am saying is that don't let the few idiots ruin it for the many good members who will use the feature correctly. Most people will probably use it correctly after a few months, since the people who don't will be banned and slowly filtered out of the forum.

Privileges given to members also help expose bad eggs, because they are more tempted to abuse the privileges given to them and therefore abuse them more often and expose themselves. This is why other large forums have little to no spammers and rule breakers anymore. They are all banned.

I think this community should be given more credit than most here give them. One of the reasons we might not have many good members is because they have no incentive or reason to be good, and they feel like just another name on the list of registered users rather than an actual person the Bungie community cares about. The only thing on this forum that truly sets you apart is your screen name, and that is really not enough in today's world. Members like to stand out, so give them a way to do so without having to break the rules.

Custom avatars, post counts, member titles, signature images... all these things keep people happy and provide them with a reason to be good members.

Posted by: xfire grunt
I do have to admit signature's would be nice, (just a 200 visible character, or maybe less), one.But I don't know if it is possible/whether it would be abused too much. However I don't really see the point in "bumping". Other forums may allow them because they have around 300 members. Not to mention, those kinds of forums attract less "bad eggs", because well they aren't big, and spammers want attention so they go for the "big sites" like Bungie.


Most forums have upwards of 5,000 members, and the forum I used as an example and many others I attend have upwards of 10,000 to 100,000 members (the specific one I used had 200k+). And even in such high traffic sites, there is no abuse of so many features.

  • 03.11.2008 11:32 PM PDT
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Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

I'm going to agree with elmicker's last couple of posts.

The great thing about a forum is that it is kind of like a little miniature democracy -- even if it is contained on a site that is a dictatorship, like this one. What I mean when I say that is that, on an ideal forum in an ideal world, everybody obeys the rules and the members of the forum "vote" on what they want to talk about simply by talking about it. Those threads are the ones that stay at the top of the forum, while the threads that are less popular sink to the bottom. Assuming that everyone is obeying the rules and posting normally, no matter how much one indivdual wants to talk about a topic, the rest of the community must agree with him or her and also want to talk about it in order for that topic to remain near the top of the forum. In this way, no one individual is able to exercise undue or unfair power over the rest of the group in determining the topics of conversation.

This is how it has always worked in forums and it is how most people prefer to interact on them. Everybody has an equal vote that they can cast pretty much whenever they see something that they want to talk about or respond to.

For this reason, you will notice that the purpose behind many rules of forums, in general, boil down to preserving this democracy. Rules such as no spam, no bumping, no off-topic posting, and no thread hijacking are all driven by a desire to allow the community at large to collectively decide what topics remain popular over time.

Bumping is against the rules in most forums precisely because it destroys that so-called "democracy" and allows a user to try to "force" a thread that he created to become more popular, in the process thereby sacrificing threads that actually were popular. Forums that break off from this and either allow or encourage bumping actively destroy the power of the community to make its own choices and substitute the power of just one person to selfishly bump something that they think is important.

Imagine being at a large dinner party. Imagine that the conversation is proceeding as it tends to do at dinner parties, by meandering from subject to subject as people want to talk about it. Imagine that one person continually brings up the topic of the boring dream he had last night. Even when others try to change the subject, this person always interrupts with another comment about his boring dream. Wouldn't you eventually get annoyed?

The reasons behind why you would be annoyed in that situation are similar to the reasons behind the somewhat overwhelming consensus that bumping on internet forums is a bad thing.

For this reason, I respectfully disagree with this idea.

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  • 03.12.2008 12:19 AM PDT

In the commentators words, OVERKILL.

Bumping is bad, if no one posts in it then there's a reason.

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No. I'm not going to give many of the reasons, as they are pretty self explanatory, but I will tell you that I will always punish people who think their thread is worth being seen over the next persons.

Bumpers. Caps lockers. Thread decorators. Whatever, if they think their thread is better, they deserve to be told otherwise.

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Posted by: x Foman123 x
I'm going to agree with elmicker's last couple of posts.

The great thing about a forum is that it is kind of like a little miniature democracy -- even if it is contained on a site that is a dictatorship, like this one. What I mean when I say that is that, on an ideal forum in an ideal world, everybody obeys the rules and the members of the forum "vote" on what they want to talk about simply by talking about it. Those threads are the ones that stay at the top of the forum, while the threads that are less popular sink to the bottom. Assuming that everyone is obeying the rules and posting normally, no matter how much one indivdual wants to talk about a topic, the rest of the community must agree with him or her and also want to talk about it in order for that topic to remain near the top of the forum. In this way, no one individual is able to exercise undue or unfair power over the rest of the group in determining the topics of conversation.

This is how it has always worked in forums and it is how most people prefer to interact on them. Everybody has an equal vote that they can cast pretty much whenever they see something that they want to talk about or respond to.

For this reason, you will notice that the purpose behind many rules of forums, in general, boil down to preserving this democracy. Rules such as no spam, no bumping, no off-topic posting, and no thread hijacking are all driven by a desire to allow the community at large to collectively decide what topics remain popular over time.

Bumping is against the rules in most forums precisely because it destroys that so-called "democracy" and allows a user to try to "force" a thread that he created to become more popular, in the process thereby sacrificing threads that actually were popular. Forums that break off from this and either allow or encourage bumping actively destroy the power of the community to make its own choices and substitute the power of just one person to selfishly bump something that they think is important.

Imagine being at a large dinner party. Imagine that the conversation is proceeding as it tends to do at dinner parties, by meandering from subject to subject as people want to talk about it. Imagine that one person continually brings up the topic of the boring dream he had last night. Even when others try to change the subject, this person always interrupts with another comment about his boring dream. Wouldn't you eventually get annoyed?

The reasons behind why you would be annoyed in that situation are similar to the reasons behind the somewhat overwhelming consensus that bumping on internet forums is a bad thing.

For this reason, I respectfully disagree with this idea.


Foman, you really should be careful how you use the word "democracy" here. So many Halo 3 Forum kids just copied and pasted that in a quote so that they can say "OMG Foman said itz a Democracy so I can do whatever I want!"
Not that their point is valid, they will manipulate your words and take them out of context, just you might end up with more threads to lock because of them excersising their fabricated rights based on your misconstrued words.
You could have compared this ideal of equality to Utopian Communism, where everyone is totally equal.

Okay, I guess democracy works too. Communism isn't too popular anymore.
But since I have a habit of summarizing Foman's posts, I gotta do it.
He's saying you are all equal, but you all must follow the rules that have been made on the site. If you can't follow the rules, leave. Yes, Foman is right on with one aspect of Democracy. The Bill of Rights and it's silly little elastic clause. In short, once your rights extend into the realm on infringing on someone else's rights, you lose them. Your rights are laid out for you and made clear, but once you excersise them to a point where they go against another's rights, you have problems. For example, in America, you (somehow still) have the right to be a white supremacist. However, if you excersise that right to an extent where it hurts someone (and with white supremacists it tends to), you're screwed.

And if you have the need to bump your post, don't do it here, because it interferes with everyone else's right to a clean and organized forum.

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Posted by: Pezz
Bumpers. Caps lockers. Thread decorators. Whatever, if they think their thread is better, they deserve to be told otherwise.
And that basically sums up everything in a nice little package, we're all equal, bumping is a way of us saying we're not. We have no rights, we do what we're told.

Bumping is bad,
It makes me mad.

  • 03.12.2008 6:27 AM PDT

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Posted by: Pezz
Bumpers. Caps lockers. Thread decorators. Whatever, if they think their thread is better, they deserve to be told otherwise.
And that basically sums up everything in a nice little package, we're all equal, bumping is a way of us saying we're not. We have no rights, we do what we're told.

Bumping is bad,
It makes me mad.


..Wait, what? I thought that was pretty well established as Pez's view on us all.

He hates democracy and America, just gotta get used it it.

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I respectfully disagree. Bumping shouldn't be encouraged, because then every forum will just turn into the Files Forums. A post every minute that no one sees because there's always too many posts.

  • 03.12.2008 7:47 AM PDT

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Posted by: x Foman123 x
This is how it has always worked in forums and it is how most people prefer to interact on them. Everybody has an equal vote that they can cast pretty much whenever they see something that they want to talk about or respond to.

One of the problems here is that getting your topic seen is incredibly hard due to repeat topics and the high inflow of new topics. So here, the choice is influenced merely by the number of people posting at the time, destroying the normal window that people get to have someone respond to a thread.

Posted by: x Foman123 x
Bumping is against the rules in most forums precisely because it destroys that so-called "democracy" and allows a user to try to "force" a thread that he created to become more popular, in the process thereby sacrificing threads that actually were popular. Forums that break off from this and either allow or encourage bumping actively destroy the power of the community to make its own choices and substitute the power of just one person to selfishly bump something that they think is important.

Bumping in itself is NOT against the rules in most forums. What IS against the rules is spam, which covers all forms of sensless posting. A bump is conditional, and can have it's uses. That is why forums don't completely ban bumping, only spam that can result from bumping.

And please tell me how a limited number of bumps over a specified time period can be destructive to a forum. There is still NO ONE who can give me a good reason that that kind of system will degrade the forum, other than saying that "bad topics will be bumped too".

Posted by: x Foman123 x
Imagine being at a large dinner party. Imagine that the conversation is proceeding as it tends to do at dinner parties, by meandering from subject to subject as people want to talk about it. Imagine that one person continually brings up the topic of the boring dream he had last night. Even when others try to change the subject, this person always interrupts with another comment about his boring dream. Wouldn't you eventually get annoyed?

After 5 or 6 times, yes. But, if you took the time to read my main post and my other posts, you would see that people would be less inclined to bump if they had to keep track and remember that comment for the next 24 hours of conversation and then bring it back up again. Everyone is making it out as if I am proposing a system that allows a member to bump regardless, which I am not. Stop changing my words.

Posted by: x Foman123 x
The reasons behind why you would be annoyed in that situation are similar to the reasons behind the somewhat overwhelming consensus that bumping on internet forums is a bad thing.

For this reason, I respectfully disagree with this idea.

Since when were you the voice of the entire web community. I have attended around 20 forums, and B.net is still the ONLY forum that does not allow bumping to some extent.

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Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
And please tell me how a limited number of bumps over a specified time period can be destructive to a forum. There is still NO ONE who can give me a good reason that that kind of system will degrade the forum, other than saying that "bad topics will be bumped too".
Because the moderators would spend too much time doing the following:

1. Working out whether the number of bumps in a thread is 'limited' enough for whatever the specified time period is

2. Responding to PMs saying "But bumping is allowed!! Why did you ban me?? Everyone else bumps, why can't I" when new members/old members/ whatever mess up and bump too much

...when they could be spending that time making the forums nicer (e.g. banning spammers). Your system wastes the time of those who help the forum, and is thus destructive to it.

There are too many users here for mods to keep track of bumps per hour or whatever while still doing their jobs/volunteer duties.

In addition, bad posts would be bumped too. Probably more so than good posts, as they'd be bumped because the had no replies. Again and again. It's basically giving people the option to repost a crap thread a few times before they have to stop, whereas now if a thread falls off the front page with no replies then it's gone.

Bumping is silly on a forum such as this one (a huge one) as offences/occurences can't be dealt with on a case-by-case basis. The fact there is overwhelming denial of the credibility and fesibility of your suggestion should tip you off as to how it would be received; it's a bad idea, and people don't like it. Accept that, and move on.

  • 03.12.2008 8:26 AM PDT

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Posted by: Saint
1. Working out whether the number of bumps in a thread is 'limited' enough for whatever the specified time period is

Look at the post date and time, easy enough to find if it one day later or not.

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2. Responding to PMs saying "But bumping is allowed!! Why did you ban me?? Everyone else bumps, why can't I" when new members/old members/ whatever mess up and bump too much

They would respond with "you bumped your topic before 24 hours had passed." or "You bumped your topic 4 times, the limit is two, sorry". It is not like people don't already PM them for no reason at all. It wouldn't be any more difficult for them to ignore the PM altogether.

Posted by: Saint
...when they could be spending that time making the forums nicer (e.g. banning spammers). Your system wastes the time of those who help the forum, and is thus destructive to it.

Spammers are also bump spammers, so technically they would be doing the same job.

Posted by: Saint
There are too many users here for mods to keep track of bumps per hour or whatever while still doing their jobs/volunteer duties.

Get more mods. That simple. Of course you will say, "there aren't enough trusted members". That is merely because no one trusts anyone here with anything, and isn't willing to give anyone any power unless they are 100% sure they wont abuse it, which on this forum is impossible.

Posted by: Saint
In addition, bad posts would be bumped too. Probably more so than good posts, as they'd be bumped because the had no replies. Again and again. It's basically giving people the option to repost a crap thread a few times before they have to stop, whereas now if a thread falls off the front page with no replies then it's gone.

No, it is not gone, it just gets duplicated by a re-post after a few hours when no one will notice. THAT is what I am trying to remedy by keeping a topic to itself, and trying to give the community an alternative to reposting their thread. I never said bad threads wouldn't get bumped, but it would be better to see spammy posts get bumped and then locked due to spam then to see hundreds or repeat topics that aren't merely lockable.

Posted by: Saint
Bumping is silly on a forum such as this one (a huge one) as offences/occurences can't be dealt with on a case-by-case basis. The fact there is overwhelming denial of the credibility and fesibility of your suggestion should tip you off as to how it would be received; it's a bad idea, and people don't like it. Accept that, and move on.

People said member titles were a bad idea, yet here they are and working fine. They also said the report post button could be abused and would ONLY be abused, but we have it and it works. It is true that they are abused, but the fact of the matter is they benefit the community, and the admins determined that they would rather take on the problems created by such things in order to get to the benefits of them.

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But for those ideas there was not near-100% rejection - some people didn't like it and a debate occurred. Here there are again two sides but one of them is just you.

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  • 03.12.2008 9:05 AM PDT

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstien

I know that, but that is generally how I like it. Although there are at least tow people that agreed with me, or at least supported me in this thread.

I really don't care if this is implemented or not. I am just trying to bring to light how backwards this forum is. It is so sealed off and locked down it makes it hard to do anything here short of breaking the rules just to at least feel like your being heard. I am constantly fighting with my want to follow the rules and my need to be at least acknowledged here. I have virtually stopped posting threads on Bungie.net, since all of them go unnoticed. The only threads here that do get recognition are repeats, and all they get are flaming. This forum is really only two groups, the rule breakers and the forum cops. You are either one or the other, and sadly enough I am the former.

The strangest thing is, many of the good members are the ones who have broken rules in an effort to try and make a difference.

  • 03.12.2008 9:16 AM PDT

i agree

i dont see much wrong with bumping..if its done constantly so your post is on the front page 24/7, then yeah, its bad, but once every 20 mins or so? nothing wrong

ive seen another forum with a 'bump' button, it can only be pressed once every 10 minuets, and it will be put back to the front, that made everyone happy

  • 03.12.2008 9:54 AM PDT
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With the number of topics created on this site, I have had many very good posts that have gone unnoticed. I think bumping once should be ignored. However, some people post four or five times which is just annoying.

  • 03.12.2008 9:59 AM PDT
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I still don't get how you think this will cut down on repeat topics. 75% of repeat topics are from those who do not even read the forums and go straight to Create New Post. This does not change that at all. Also; the other 25% would either keep bumping their thread after 24 hours, thus keep bringing to the front a discussion no one is interested in, or just go ahead and make an entirely new topic for which they have the right to bump also.

You claim this system will cut down on repeat topics, and that is your main sell point here. I don't see how it will, at all.

And also; I don't see why this tread should be allowed to continue any further. The mass opinion has already been stated, and argued to the end. You yourself have already stated you are arguing now for the sake of arguing. If that is all the purpose this thread serves now I think it deserves to be locked.

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  • 03.12.2008 10:06 AM PDT