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Subject: Thread Bumping and How it Can Help

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstien

I never said it will stop repeat topics, but it will give them an alternative to re-creating their thread once it leaves the main page. They can bump two times, once every 24 hours. So a topic being pushed back to the top twice in 48 hours is really not a big deal. And even then, if they DO re-create the topic after bumping it, it is now 48 hours older, and therefore proloning the repeat process.

In that 48 hours, there are three chances for that thread to be picked up and discussed (initial post, first bump and second bump). That gives the thread three chances to succeed. If it doesn't after that, most members will hopefully give up.

I may be arguing for the sake of arguing, but so is everyone in this thread who has debated with me. If they weren't, then they would have skipped this topic. Most people argue just for the sake of arguing. It is a challenge of their opinions, and they want to defend their view. Only problem here is that everyone doesn't want anything new, and their points of view too easily aligned with the moderators right off the bat (probably in an effort to suck up).

  • 03.12.2008 10:24 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cr4ne Style
Taxes do nothing to affect the share of wealth, since taxes are only applied to income.

So that's not even a part of the conversation at all, so it's pointless talking about it....

"for a "best" moral to exist, there must exist the "best" moral base. If the base of morality varies from location to location, culture to culture...then there can't be an absolute moral..

i am guessing that someone has mentioned this, but bumping should not be encouraged as it keeps unpopular or dying threads on the front pages of the forums for no other reason than to please the op. if a topic is of interest to the community, then it will receive posts and stay current. if it is not, then it will fizzle away. bumping makes all of the forums a pain to read through since it involves vacuous posts being made to keep unpopular threads current.

allowing bumping as you have described it is clearly a bad idea.

  • 03.12.2008 10:40 AM PDT
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Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
members who want to moderate

Anyone like that should be shot on sight.

  • 03.12.2008 10:46 AM PDT

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstien

I have considered the size. There are really only around 250,000 active posters, maybe around 500,000 if you include group activity, and the remaining 3/4's of the members are just here for stats or are inactive.

  • 03.12.2008 3:05 PM PDT
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Posted by: Pezz
No. I'm not going to give many of the reasons, as they are pretty self explanatory, but I will tell you that I will always punish people who think their thread is worth being seen over the next persons.

Bumpers. Caps lockers. Thread decorators. Whatever, if they think their thread is better, they deserve to be told otherwise.

What about people who post those nood forge images and it bumps my picture off? I think, in that case, mine (not being nood) is better...Lol.

[Edited on 03.12.2008 3:14 PM PDT]

  • 03.12.2008 3:13 PM PDT
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Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
There are really only around 250,000 active posters, maybe around 500,000 if you include group activity


ahahahahahahah.
ahahah.
ahah.

no.

  • 03.12.2008 3:31 PM PDT

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstien

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Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
I have considered the size. There are really only around 250,000 active posters, maybe around 500,000 if you include group activity, and the remaining 3/4's of the members are just here for stats or are inactive.



But still, i see about 8 useless topics every 5 minutes come up just on one forum. With all these topics around, a bump button would make it easy for these topics to stay on the front page. And witth the number of useless topics being produced, the forums will have even more of these topics on the front page than we do know, even if people were allowed to bump a topic twice a day. It is also likely that members will post multipe topics in one day, making the situation even worse. Bungie has thought out the system much longer than you have. They would have allowed bumping long ago if it would be beneficial to the community.

I am not proposing a button. A button is much harder to control than a post, since a post lists the date and time of posting and can be moderated much easier. Not many people are willing to wait 2 hours to bump, let alone 24 hours to bump a topic. Most of the time they will probably just give up on the thread instead of bumping. The point is to just give them the option so they don't feel an urge to repost their topic. If they want to post it again, then just find it and bump it if they really care.

And Bungie hasn't thought out a thing for this forum other than file share. The only thing I ever see them really care about here is polls. This forum is extremely alienated from the Bungie team.

Posted by: elmicker
Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
There are really only around 250,000 active posters, maybe around 500,000 if you include group activity


ahahahahahahah.
ahahah.
ahah.

no.

Go ahead, laugh at me all you want. It just makes you look like an egotistical jerk.


[Edited on 03.12.2008 3:35 PM PDT]

  • 03.12.2008 3:34 PM PDT
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OK. Seriously. Why do you think bumping helps? Just answer that for me.

It just makes you look like an egotistical jerk.

If you didn't know that already, why haven't you been paying attention? If you think there's honestly 250,000 members who're active on the groups who aren't active on the main forums, you're delusional.

[Edited on 03.12.2008 3:36 PM PDT]

  • 03.12.2008 3:35 PM PDT

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstien

Read.
The.
Topic.

I am tired of repeating myself... so this is my last time, and it is in a nutshell.

Bumping a topic is cleaner than re-creating a post. Since duplicates really are hard to find, they are hard to moderate. Bumping a topic can be moderated much easier than duplicates since the creator stays the same, and bumping can be limited to a specific time period and number unlike the right to post. This would also give people an alternative to reposting their threads, helping the duplication problem.

Once duplicates are minimized, or at least delayed by the ability to bump an old topic twice over 48 hours, then the search results in this forum might actually become useful (although getting search results as broad as what the search gives you at the moment is a huge problem in itself).

  • 03.12.2008 3:40 PM PDT
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Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
Bumping a topic is cleaner than re-creating a post.


So you're equating the two, good.

If you think re-creating a post is bad, why is bumping a thread any different?

The two threads (bumped/recreated) will basically be identical. The only difference will be the bumped one will be slightly older. Just think about it - if the bumped post is to be different, people have to have posted. If people have posted, it doesn't need bumping. The system you're proposing (as i pointed out now 4 pages ago) serves no purpose whatsoever. Bumping a topic is not desirable in any way, shape or form on a discussion forum.

  • 03.12.2008 3:43 PM PDT

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstien

Posted by: elmicker
Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
Bumping a topic is cleaner than re-creating a post.


So you're equating the two, good.

If you think re-creating a post is bad, why is bumping a thread any different?

The two threads (bumped/recreated) will basically be identical. The only difference will be the bumped one will be slightly older. Just think about it - if the bumped post is to be different, people have to have posted. If people have posted, it doesn't need bumping. The system you're proposing (as i pointed out now 4 pages ago) serves no purpose whatsoever. Bumping a topic is not desirable in any way, shape or form on a discussion forum.


Bumping does not add to the database, keeping search results clean. Duplicating threads adds to the database and degrades the search system. It also gets annoying because conversation can bounce from the old post to the new post since the old topic cannot be saved by a bump.

What is more efficient? Throwing away every towel you get wet, or just drying out the old one and reusing it?

  • 03.12.2008 3:46 PM PDT
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There are three posts on the front page now all about the same thing. 3, and they ARE on the front page. So allowing people to bump so that stuff stays on the front page cuts down on repeat posts how?

  • 03.12.2008 3:50 PM PDT
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Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
Bumping does not add to the database, keeping search results clean.


The search function (i believe) rates threads by relevence. Relevence is probably directly proportional to activity within the thread. Your empty duplicate threads are automatically cleaned from the search result anyway. This also assumes that people use the search function. They don't.

What is more efficient? Throwing away every towel you get wet, or just drying out the old one and reusing it?

Erm. I'd prefer a clean towel, to be perfectly honest. Reusing towels is bad craic. Once a thread is a few days-weeks old it lacks relevence. the people discussing the original point are likely gone. If people have stopped posting and it's dropped off the front page, its relevence has obviously diminished further. There is no need to necro the thread simply to satisfy this concept of tidyness.

  • 03.12.2008 3:53 PM PDT

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstien

Posted by: elmicker
The search function (i believe) rates threads by relevence. Relevence is probably directly proportional to activity within the thread. Your empty duplicate threads are automatically cleaned from the search result anyway. This also assumes that people use the search function. They don't.

If anyone has seen the search feature in action, it just grabs links to anything and everything with the words you searched for. I can't find a specific topic even if I wanted to on this site, which is why the search feature is NEVER used.

Posted by: elmicker
Erm. I'd prefer a clean towel, to be perfectly honest. Reusing towels is bad craic. Once a thread is a few days-weeks old it lacks relevence. the people discussing the original point are likely gone. If people have stopped posting and it's dropped off the front page, its relevence has obviously diminished further. There is no need to necro the thread simply to satisfy this concept of tidyness.

Preference does not equate to efficiency. It is more efficient and effect to clean an old towel rather than buying a new one and wasting it's potential by throwing it away. You spend more on towels and produce more waste than you would if you just cleaned the towel and used it again. I am also not talking about threads that have posts, but ones that go unnoticed. A thread needs more than 5 minutes of front page time to get replies. Luck shouldn't have something to do with whether your thread gets views or not (sadly that is impossible to factor out). All bumping would do was increase the number of chances your thread has to get some replies and possibly become a success.

If you want to get picky, how about reserving bumps to only update uses. If you update a thread, only at the end of that day can you bump it about the update.

[Edited on 03.12.2008 5:45 PM PDT]

  • 03.12.2008 5:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
I can't find a specific topic even if I wanted to on this site

Bookmark threads, then.

...but ones that go unnoticed....

No thread goes unnoticed. I can absolutely guarantee you that. Time on front page for an unposted thread is inversely proportional to the number of people viewing the forum. So the more active the forum, the more likely the thread is to be seen (up to a point). The thread is simply deemed to be not worth the effort of posting in it. Therefore, bumping it is wrong. [i'm pretty sure i've said "bumping" and "wrong" in a single sentence about 9 times now]

[Edited on 03.12.2008 5:45 PM PDT]

  • 03.12.2008 5:45 PM PDT

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstien

Posted by: elmicker
Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
I can't find a specific topic even if I wanted to on this site[/quote]
Bookmark threads, then.

That is hard to do when I can't find it. Maybe I might want to go back and bookmark it tomorrow. The search feature is so bogged down with repeat results and false results that it would be better off to just not have one. The biggest problem is that it searches only for posts, not specific threads or members, or by thread author. You type in a word and it shows you where it is with the option of filtering out anything not on the forums.

  • 03.12.2008 5:48 PM PDT
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So why, instead of asking for a ludicrous feature like a bump button, don't you ask for improvements to the search engine? Same end result for you, less of the ungodly amounts of -blam!- for everyone else.

  • 03.12.2008 5:53 PM PDT

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstien

I tried already, and my voice went unheard.

  • 03.12.2008 6:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
I tried already, and my voice went unheard.

If you're talking about this thread, you're very wrong. 5 pages? That's not so bad.

It is your responsibility to maintain your thread properly. Thus, you decide how you catch a reader's eye.

If we could bump, call chaos would break loose. No thread deserves bumping!

  • 03.12.2008 6:21 PM PDT
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Bumping FTW!

  • 03.12.2008 8:44 PM PDT

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstien

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Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
I tried already, and my voice went unheard.

If you're talking about this thread, you're very wrong. 5 pages? That's not so bad.

It is your responsibility to maintain your thread properly. Thus, you decide how you catch a reader's eye.

If we could bump, call chaos would break loose. No thread deserves bumping!

Not according to this community. The instant you post a thread it is no longer yours... something I don't agree with. And no... it was not this thread, it was another thread when the search feature just came out, of course I didn't make that thread, it was someone else's discussing the search feature.

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Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
I tried already, and my voice went unheard.



That doesn't mean it's a better idea. Almost everyone disagrees with you on this. Trying to have the search feature improved, even if it goes unnoticed, would be much better than fighting over something you've pretty much lost. In fact, I think i will start a thread about it.

Oh, and elmicker is right. Whenever I post a topic (except for the files forum) it gets a reply before I even have time to update it for a spelling mistake. A bump feature has no purpose and it would make the situation you are trying to fix worse.

NOTE: Please stop using the "too much spam makes threads unnoticed" excuse if you want us to stop using the "people will abuse this" excuse, O.K.?


Maybe in this forum it will get replies, but not in forums like the Halo 3 Forum. I am most active in that forum, since there are usually things worth discussing being discussed in there. I have only made a handful of topics in that forum, and most have gone past without so much as a spam reply.

PS: I never said "spam" causes threads to be unnoticed, but high traffic and repeat topics do.

But I think this topic can be ended now, most people are at least acknowledging my side of the argument and I can live with that. I never aim to win a debate, but just have my opinion or idea acknowledged or considered by those involved.

[Edited on 03.13.2008 10:13 AM PDT]

  • 03.13.2008 10:11 AM PDT