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Subject: Halo 2 Bot Theory (Complete w/ web link)
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Poll: What do you think?  [closed]
Great theory!:  51%
(19 Votes)
It's most likely:  16%
(6 Votes)
I dunno:  16%
(6 Votes)
I don't really think so...:  3%
(1 Votes)
All wrong, your a moron:  14%
(5 Votes)
Total Votes: 37

You may or may not have read my previous bot speculation thread, but whether or not you did/didnt, is unimportant atm. I have written it all up on a web page, and it is available for all to view. It is my COMPLETE theory on the bots in Halo 2. It shows us that it is VERY likely, that bots WILL be in multiplayer, and these bots will NOT just be Spartans and Elites, and infact may range from Grunts, to ODSTs....

CLICK BELOW FOR MY ENTIRE THEORY
http://www.geocities.com/rithkain/

Cheers,
~Kain

  • 06.15.2004 8:20 PM PDT
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dont put up vulgar links in here

  • 06.15.2004 8:21 PM PDT
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Can we get a MOD in here? That link is in violation of the Terms of Use.

  • 06.15.2004 8:22 PM PDT
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do you guys got split personalities or something?

  • 06.15.2004 8:39 PM PDT
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vulgar links? wtf????

PS. Its perfectly fine to link to it

"Do not link to adult content or to sites that contain information on any type of software piracy." - From Rules (its not adult or illegal so go ping yourself)

Cheers,
~Kain

[Edited on 6/15/2004 8:45:55 PM]

  • 06.15.2004 8:43 PM PDT
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Posted by: Rith Kain
vulgar links? wtf????

Cheers,
~Kain


Great Theory Kain, so bots in multiplayer it might also be possible to play offline correct?
Cause That's what I think bots for offline, not online.

  • 06.15.2004 8:49 PM PDT
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Thx, i think they may be for both online and offline. Depending how multiplayer works, they could make it so either:

- Game players are loaded BEFORE the game starts
- Game players can join DURING the game

IF it is DURING (which I hope), bots could be put into play VERY efficiently. They could be scripted to 'fill' up a game that has begun, and when players join, the bot is removed, and the player takes their position in the game. This way, games are ALWAYS full, both offline and online.

Cheers,
~Kain

  • 06.15.2004 8:53 PM PDT
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Brilliant Mate! i think it would be funny if bungie cought onto your theory and totally spilled the beans trying to make it look like their just giving out some more info when really there trying to cover up for their mistakes and your brilliance. or maybe they did that on purpose and made a puzzle for ppl which you obviously have figured out! by the way, how did you re create some of those pics and get different angles?
well done

  • 06.15.2004 8:59 PM PDT
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lol, i plan to interrogate one the bungie employees :P

Maybe i can get one of them to look at it and comment, but i dont know...

Most of the stuff i just took and resized, and then added notes, cut + paste, enlarge, add lines and stuff, not very difficult stuff to do.

Cheers,
~Kain

  • 06.15.2004 9:02 PM PDT
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You do realize that this is not "proof". These shots were more likely created with animation tools then snapped up in a real multi-player match. How many times have you seen bots stand still for a picture?

  • 06.15.2004 9:07 PM PDT

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stfu they going to change it cause u figured it out

jk

  • 06.15.2004 9:11 PM PDT
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i think and hope that you are right. i like bots.

  • 06.15.2004 9:11 PM PDT
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first off i'm all for having bots in Halo 2 but there are a couple of things that make your theory not completely sound. the picture could have been staged just to show the cool looking odst troops on zanzibar. the picture may have been just a multiplayer game that had the odst models just thrown in it. pretty much all recent pictures for halo 2 have been from zanzibar because that's what was shown at e3 this year. i just really don't want to get my hopes up for having bots in multiplayer cause i may not have xbox live when halo 2 comes out.

  • 06.15.2004 9:14 PM PDT
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From Frankies News article on the 3D screenshot
Basically we pause the action (technically we just reduce the game speed to zero and since we have incremental speed control we can pause when we get to that 'perfect' moment) and run a simple but cool executable to rotate around the action and take individual snaps – they're strung together in this Quicktime format and serve to illustrate the scene in more detail. This one in particular shows off just how devastating an Elite with an energy sword can be.


They freeze the images, its very easy to take a picture to take a picture if the bots are frozen in place, or they could simply script them to do stand there for the image.

PS. Facehead - Do remember that while they were yes, all on Zanzibar, remember they were also ALL multiplayer screenshots. So yeah, side A always has a side B...

Cheers,
~Kain

[Edited on 6/15/2004 9:43:28 PM]

  • 06.15.2004 9:15 PM PDT
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well its entirely possible that zanzibar could be involved in a SP mission as well

  • 06.15.2004 10:11 PM PDT
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Posted by: Draerden
You do realize that this is not "proof". These shots were more likely created with animation tools then snapped up in a real multi-player match. How many times have you seen bots stand still for a picture?
This is a no-forking-brainer. There's nothing to say that the build used to create these images is anything close to the final version. "Multiplayer" doesn't necessarily mean "representative of the final game", especially if you start nitpicking at little details that will probably change. The screens are to show off the new engine for Halo 2, not to show you that there definitely will be these meshes playable in this map. How does anyone here know that the ODST meshes weren't human-controlled just to get that cool screen and/or to test out the animations? The screen only shows the meshes, nothing more. The insignias seen could be slapped onto bots' skins, too, so they aren't evidence of anything.
I don't see how the supposed crackpot theory behind the Doomba joke is any kind of good evidence, either. It's a very remote possibility that he's hinting at the presence of bots, but it's very far from proof.
If anything, Now imagine that every combatant is an actual person playing over Xbox Live! is evidence of a gametype without bots!

[Edited on 6/15/2004 10:23:20 PM]

  • 06.15.2004 10:21 PM PDT
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What if, just as you can play as spartans and elites, you can also be odst's?

  • 06.15.2004 10:30 PM PDT
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"How 'bout no Scott!"
-Dr. Evil

Thats stupid I dont want ODST's crampin my style okay! I just want some spartan vs elite vs spartan vs elite action. i dont ODST's getting in the way and screwin -blam!- up with ur phsyco confidence. I read both of the books i just have first strike left and i know that the ODST's are weaker than the master chief and they are more... stuborn. so i jsut think we should put that idea behind us!

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  • 06.15.2004 10:37 PM PDT
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I think ur more afraid of when they're on the other team and they manage to kill you, cause then they are 'cramping' your style right? lol, its not like they would 'get in the way' anyways, even if they do, they take the bullets for you, so stop whining.

Im just saying that it would be quite interesting to have more than 2 types of multiplayer combatants. Even if you had the ability to be an ODST, i wouldnt, but im saying it would be interesting to be an Elite toting my plasma sword, and just run in and massacre a whole bunch of troops ranging from Marines, to ODSTs, and Spartans, rather than just Spartans, i think it would be quite fun. >:D

Also on Parson's theory...

Why the hell else would they be talking about robots? Use your brain. You think they just added that in for the hell of it? ROTFL. Yeah im sure frakie was like "hmmm, lets add some crazy stuff into this weeks update, lets search google for something crazy...". OBVIOUSLY it has a point to it, otherwise it would be there. Jeez...


Cheers,
~Kain

[Edited on 6/15/2004 11:25:22 PM]

  • 06.15.2004 11:22 PM PDT
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Awsome theory dude. I cant believe you noticed that screenshot was taken from the beach in zanzibar on that other screenshot! Very impressive detective work. But i cant help thinking the ODSTs dont just have to be bots, but could be human players as well... But a bot would make more sense, and that way you would always know a bot from a real person, the bot is the ODST. As for "Spartans are better than ODSTs", you could give an ODST or a Marine an energy shield and they should be able to play multiplayer as well as a Spartan, even if it wouldnt really be realistic.

  • 06.15.2004 11:42 PM PDT
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The point might just be a joke. I do stuff just 'cause I think it's funny sometimes.

I'm not saying there won't be bots, or even that the hypothesis is invalid. I'm saying that it's NOT PROOF of anything. I already think there will probably be bots in multiplayer, at least offline, but that hypothesis for me isn't based on the evidence referenced here 'cause the evidence referenced here isn't very strong.
Anyway, it's a silly thing to argue about since we'll find out when we have our mitts on the game...

Edit:Posted by: Captain Ferrell
Awsome theory dude. I cant believe you noticed that screenshot was taken from the beach in zanzibar on that other screenshot! Very impressive detective work. But i cant help thinking the ODSTs dont just have to be bots, but could be human players as well... But a bot would make more sense, and that way you would always know a bot from a real person, the bot is the ODST. As for "Spartans are better than ODSTs", you could give an ODST or a Marine an energy shield and they should be able to play multiplayer as well as a Spartan, even if it wouldnt really be realistic.
I agree. As I stated before, ODSTs don't have to be bots. I'm sure people would like to play with the kick-ass black ODST mesh 'cause it looks soo cool.

[Edited on 6/16/2004 12:24:41 AM]

  • 06.16.2004 12:20 AM PDT
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personally i dont think your evidence is true... the part where you say the spartans armor is a different colour (which is saying thats not a spartan thats a ODST)... you know lighting does have an effect in games. the MC could have been in a different area with less light, and we all know less light = darker colours.

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  • 06.16.2004 12:41 AM PDT

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  • 06.16.2004 12:54 AM PDT
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I think that either the screenshot was set up just to look cool, and doesn't actually happen at all in the game, or maybe there will be a Zanzibar single player level, where there are ODSTs. Here's hoping, although I am kind of sick of the map recyling in the first game (AotCR = TB, TaR = K)

  • 06.16.2004 2:27 AM PDT
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I think the screenshot was set up too, it just looks so much different then the rest of the zanzibar ones.

When you read about the suckbot, read the last line. I think it proves that bots aren't in it. He basically says they can kill and run around. But it's not like playing a person, they have no style or strategey. Bungie isn't going to release them if they aren't up to their standard.

From the looks of things the way I see them, I don't think there will be bots.

  • 06.16.2004 3:42 AM PDT

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