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Subject: What's so great about it?

Posted by: LotusUp
Posted by: almighty joe
i can stop modders all i need is a combat shotgun and a -blam!-load of airline tickets


Make sure its not the game shotgun because then you might be point blank and not hit anything


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I like it. I like it ALOT.

  • 01.22.2005 4:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: Recon Number 54
Some corners are not so pleased with the ammunition choice, but that is a very complex argument with many factors.

5.56 sucks! In combat you use mostly single-shot anyway... 7.62 doesn't have unreasonable kick, and although it is heavier, it fires a bigger slug. Ya'know? Its less effective against body armour (bigger slug=less penetration), but really now, can terrorists afford body armour? Overall I just think that 7.62mm pwns 5.56mm any day. Also, wtf is up with the M92(fs?) pistol? 9mm? weak. Bring back the M1911! I liked that gun! Meh. w/e. I still have two years till I join the military, and then I only have to put up with whatever crap weapons they have for four years... so whatever. If I was in charge of things, they would still be using single-shot long rifles (M1 garand, M14(yes I know its auto so shut up, etc.), as opposed to all these damn carbines. But I don't make those descisions. But I still think the XM-8 is just a glorified G-36, as I said earlier in this thread.

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Posted by: RandomlyIssued
what im really curious about is that futuristic armor/weaponry featured on Ghost Recon 2's special features. The "future marines" have this awesom Spartan-like armor and extremely accurate pistols (wich seem to have grenade launchers attached). thier real people in the pics, so its not some artist rendition of what they might look like.

Most of that is conceptual and/or in very early stages of development... I would expect the final product to look quite different from whatever is on GR2's special features (I looked at some of the weapons, found no info I didn't already know, and discovered that some of it was downright wrong).

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Posted by: RandomlyIssued
and the reason its the gun of the future is.... it looks freakin AWESOM!!!!

  • 01.22.2005 8:33 PM PDT
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I beg to differ.
It looks like someone took a G36 and rammed it really really hard into a P90.

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case and point:
the AK47 is one of the moast durable,reliable and versitle weapons. it can fire underwater for goodness sakes. the thing is even though it's using like 30 year old technology it's still effective. enginearing is what counts. not technology

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Posted by: Texas Ben
I beg to differ.
It looks like someone took a G36 and rammed it really really hard into a P90.


any gun that looks like the covie carbine deserves recognition.

[Edited on 1/22/2005 8:53:29 PM]

  • 01.22.2005 8:53 PM PDT
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It looks nothing like the carbine...

though the BR looks kinda like a really jacked-up FAMAS

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dude that things plastic

  • 01.22.2005 9:00 PM PDT
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Posted by: StickOeval
dude that things plastic

Like 80% of your moms.... mass...
I asked recon.
He would know.

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looks alot like the gun in ghost recon on the cover of the game. alot

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Posted by: forstngman
looks alot like the gun in ghost recon on the cover of the game. alot


could that be because it is?

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Nah! Its not the XM-8... its the.... uhhhh... MX-80?

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Posted by: Texas Ben
Posted by: StickOeval
dude that things plastic

Like 80% of your moms.... mass...
I asked recon.
He would know.


if your talking about implants
there sillicon

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Posted by: Texas Ben
Posted by: Recon Number 54
Some corners are not so pleased with the ammunition choice, but that is a very complex argument with many factors.

5.56 sucks! In combat you use mostly single-shot anyway... 7.62 doesn't have unreasonable kick, and although it is heavier, it fires a bigger slug. Ya'know? Its less effective against body armour (bigger slug=less penetration), but really now, can terrorists afford body armour? Overall I just think that 7.62mm pwns 5.56mm any day. Also, wtf is up with the M92(fs?) pistol? 9mm? weak. Bring back the M1911! I liked that gun! Meh. w/e. I still have two years till I join the military, and then I only have to put up with whatever crap weapons they have for four years... so whatever. If I was in charge of things, they would still be using single-shot long rifles (M1 garand, M14(yes I know its auto so shut up, etc.), as opposed to all these damn carbines. But I don't make those descisions. But I still think the XM-8 is just a glorified G-36, as I said earlier in this thread.

yes the m1911 rocks .45 rounds pwns 9mm

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Posted by: Texas Ben
I speak of the XM-8 of course. Everyone says it is 'years ahead', but I haven't read anything to prove that (and i've read alot). As far as I can tell, its a good gun, but not worth all the hype its getting. I just want some links to stuff I haven't read before that tells me what makes it 'years ahead'

I think it looks like a fish. Maybe that's what "years ahead" means.

It is made by H&K, so it's definitely a good gun. But it doesn't look imposing at all. I'd still take an M-16 over it any day, just 'cause the M-16 looks so much more deadly.

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Invisio!

  • 01.22.2005 10:08 PM PDT
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ever had a gun jam on u? its not fun

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Posted by: Texas Ben
It looks nothing like the carbine...

though the BR looks kinda like a really jacked-up FAMAS


Yeah, that's what I thought, too. A FA-MAS with the ugly, unnessecarry giant handle of ugliness smoothed out.

My friend made this custom airsoft FA-MAS where he took off the carry handle, put the charging lever on the side, and put a rail on the top. It was the coolest looking thing ever.

Oh, just a little bit of gun trivia for you. FAMAS stands for Fusil Automatique Manufacture de Arms Saint-Etienne. In English: Automatic Rifle Made by Saint-Etienne Arms.

  • 01.22.2005 10:10 PM PDT
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Posted by: Casey
It is made by H&K, so it's definitely a good gun. But it doesn't look imposing at all. I'd still take an M-16 over it any day, just 'cause the M-16 looks so much more deadly.

Yeah... HK makes some good guns no?

I would still prefer that our rifles are made by an american company, especially with relations between germany and the US being less friendly than they were as of late.

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Posted by: Casey
My friend made this custom airsoft FA-MAS where he took off the carry handle, put the charging lever on the side, and put a rail on the top. It was the coolest looking thing ever.


Thats pretty cool... I like airsoft guns, my friend has an M4 carbine that's all tricked out with a front handle, laser aimpoint (bottom mounted), 4.5x scope, TacLight(side mounted), all metal parts (really sweet-looking), and 50 rouund drum mag. The thing looks evil.

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Posted by: Texas Ben
5.56 sucks! In combat you use mostly single-shot anyway... 7.62 doesn't have unreasonable kick, and although it is heavier, it fires a bigger slug. Ya'know? Its less effective against body armour (bigger slug=less penetration), but really now, can terrorists afford body armour? Overall I just think that 7.62mm pwns 5.56mm any day. Also, wtf is up with the M92(fs?) pistol? 9mm? weak. Bring back the M1911! I liked that gun! Meh. w/e. I still have two years till I join the military, and then I only have to put up with whatever crap weapons they have for four years... so whatever. If I was in charge of things, they would still be using single-shot long rifles (M1 garand, M14(yes I know its auto so shut up, etc.), as opposed to all these damn carbines. But I don't make those descisions. But I still think the XM-8 is just a glorified G-36, as I said earlier in this thread.

The 5.56 has one advantage over the 7.62, and this is why we use it. It actually is because the 5.56 weighs less. Because of the weight, the bullet wobbles slightly. It also only needs to penetrate about three or four inches and then it begins to divert course and fragment, doing massive internal damage. The bullet could enter through your abdomen and come out your thigh, breaking up and shattering fragments all along the way. This not only takes the unlucky victim of the bullet out of the fight, but also the man who has to drag him out of the battle.

The 7.62mm bullet, by contrast, needs to penetrate about 10 inches or so before it begins to divert course and fragment. That is due to its relatively heavy mass.

However, this completely ignores the fact that the 7.62 has much greater stopping power due to its mass. In turn, that is offset by the fact that while the 7.62 has massive stopping power, it could have much greater stopping power if it broke up sooner upon entering the body.

Yeah, that's really gruesome and grisly, but that's how bullets are worked and are designed.

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Posted by: forstngman
case and point:
the AK47 is one of the moast durable,reliable and versitle weapons. it can fire underwater for goodness sakes. the thing is even though it's using like 30 year old technology it's still effective. enginearing is what counts. not technology

Yeah, but unless you buy a really good one, it has crap for accuracy and range. And since when could it fire underwater? And it's not using 30 year old technology, it's using nearly 70 year old technology. the "47" in "AK-47" stands for the year 1947, when the AK was first put into production. "AK" stands for Automat Kalashnikov. Kalashnikov was the guy who designed it, and Automat meant Automatic (from my understanding.)

[Edited on 1/22/2005 10:27:09 PM]

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Posted by: Texas Ben
Posted by: Casey
It is made by H&K, so it's definitely a good gun. But it doesn't look imposing at all. I'd still take an M-16 over it any day, just 'cause the M-16 looks so much more deadly.

Yeah... HK makes some good guns no?

I would still prefer that our rifles are made by an american company, especially with relations between germany and the US being less friendly than they were as of late.

Well, if it makes ya feel any better, the XM-8 is being made by H&K USA.

  • 01.22.2005 10:17 PM PDT

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