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Subject: Legendary Map: Avalanche

are the covie vehicles snow covered? and what kind of unique items are on the forge pallete?

  • 03.19.2008 10:14 AM PDT

-The Dread Pirate

Woohoo! Sidewinder was awesome in Halo CE, I can't wait. I will miss the side hallway though, because it's a bit obvious you're coming for the flag when you've got a rooster tail of snow behing your warthog, vs. sneaking in from the side. And I'll miss the 30 seconds flag caps through the side hallway.

What next, an ACTUAL remake of Blood Gulch? Time will tell I'm sure.

  • 03.19.2008 10:15 AM PDT

Your crew dont phase us, dont make you bustas pay us! Run up in your spot like CJ from San Andreas

Looks amazing. Kinda reminds me of that Halo 2 snow map used for Big Team. I wish they'd just import the halo 1 maps though already WITHOUT changing them. And damn, Microsoft are freakin cons, 800MS points again!? The last pack was a complete rip off and whats the point on buying them if they maps dont even appear in Team Slayer etc? I dont wanna play DLC just to have the maps.

How much are we gonna pay for this game in total? Sheesh

  • 03.19.2008 10:15 AM PDT

Posted by: Papa Bear 006
Posted by: COG SOLDIER 005
:P i was wrong, i thought it was gonna be a containment remake, but sidewinder is super cool. this map looks AWESOME!!!!
PS: u should have made a scarab that is like an elephant on sandtrap, it would be invincible, but if u killed rhe driver then it would explode like in campaign, u suck for not putting two into the map for each team. u said it would contain a 'suprising vehicle or two'


[Edited on 03.19.2008 9:56 AM PDT]
Uh ya, the hornet and tank surely have already been in matchmaking since the game came out. You're right, we need a scarab, a vehicle
that isn't even in MP at all. Did you forget what two vehicles haven't seen the light of day in matchmaking?


or two vehicles that have never been able to be driven and or flown

  • 03.19.2008 10:16 AM PDT

In this great future you cant forget your past

Am I the only person disappointed by this? Are you all really this happy with a remake? Sorry if you liked Sidewinder, but I thought I bought a NEW GAME.

I've played this map to death already, just like Zanzibar, just like Blood Gulch and all the other classic crap you guys are on your knees begging for. You wonder why COD4 is killing us right now, cause the experience just feels fresh, not "updated" or "reimagined" - fresh

These 3 maps put us at 17 total, but what is that really? Minus the 2 remakes thats 15 maps, minus the empty warehouse and thats only 14 - and how many of the 14 left are essentially remakes with slightly different floorplans? (Valhalla = Coag, Guardian = Lockout, etc) Not to mention the few maps most people veto immediatly because they are garbage (Snowbound, Epitaph, etc.) Sorry guys, I love the competetive medium you've created here but it just feels like wasted potential.

If the DLC is still this overpriced you could at least make it worth it. I don't care what you say, similar offerings for other FPS on Xbox360 give you more value for less points - blaming Microsoft only makes you look more shallow.

  • 03.19.2008 10:17 AM PDT

My Gamertag is DarkBladeX360

Well it brought down my hopes for like a snowy BG/Coagulation but it's awesome SideWinder is coming back. But maybe moonlight sonata is BG/Coagulation in night time. Oh and they shouldn't put a scarab because if you look at the pictures there is like this giant thing going along the middle (scarab wouldn't fit there) so they are most likely putting the pelican or maybe phantom or maybe BOTH!!!!!!!




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  • 03.19.2008 10:17 AM PDT

Posted by: ECA420
Am I the only person disappointed by this? Are you all really this happy with a remake? Sorry if you liked Sidewinder, but I thought I bought a NEW GAME.

I've played this map to death already, just like Zanzibar, just like Blood Gulch and all the other classic crap you guys are on your knees begging for. You wonder why COD4 is killing us right now, cause the experience just feels fresh, not "updated" or "reimagined" - fresh

These 3 maps put us at 17 total, but what is that really? Minus the 2 remakes thats 15 maps, minus the empty warehouse and thats only 14 - and how many of the 14 left are essentially remakes with slightly different floorplans? (Valhalla = Coag, Guardian = Lockout, etc) Not to mention the few maps most people veto immediatly because they are garbage (Snowbound, Epitaph, etc.) Sorry guys, I love the competetive medium you've created here but it just feels like wasted potential.

If the DLC is still this overpriced you could at least make it worth it. I don't care what you say, similar offerings for other FPS on Xbox360 give you more value for less points - blaming Microsoft only makes you look more shallow.


Im only half disapointed... and if you pay any attention to posts you should know why

  • 03.19.2008 10:18 AM PDT

Posted by: kcasey
also there were ladders in the beaver creek remake in halo 2

No the ladders were in Battle Creek, when they remade it (Beaver Creek) they took out the ladders and made it a slope instead.

Looks awesome, I just hope its good, I never played Sidewinder so I hope it's as good as everyone makes out.

Tbh though I'm not sure any of the Halo remakes ever worked like they did in the previous games, ever. Battle Creek and Beaver Creek are pretty much the same and Blood Gulch and Coagulation were similar but just about every other map doesn't play the same, which you can hardly expect them to really since they are different games after all. I mean Last Resort plays nothing like Zanzibar, and I don't remember their being so much action in the middle of Coagulation as there is on Valhalla and there was always controversy about Tombstone not being anything like Hang 'Em High . I guess what I'm saying is don't expect Avalanche to play anything like Sidewinder.

I'm still stoked for the new maps, just hope that Moonlight Sonaita is smaller than the other DLC because although I've not quite decided how big Ghost Town is every other DLC is mid-big. The only reason were getting an influx of BTB maps is because theres only 5 maps for BTB, and then you have to have the HDLC to have 2 of them. Hopefully big maps will be less common after this DLC since people will be forced to download the HDLC so they can stop whining how little variety there is on that hopper, which a majority of the time is their own fault.

  • 03.19.2008 10:18 AM PDT

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I wanted to see one of those all inclusive pictures to have a person in it so i can get the true size of the map, with the current pictures I really cant judge the size.

  • 03.19.2008 10:21 AM PDT


Posted by: XBeast WithinX
Well it brought down my hopes for like a snowy BG/Coagulation but it's awesome SideWinder is coming back. But maybe moonlight sonata is BG/Coagulation in night time. Oh and they shouldn't put a scarab because if you look at the pictures there is like this giant thing going along the middle (scarab wouldn't fit there) so they are most likely putting the pelican or maybe phantom or maybe BOTH!!!!!!!


I thought it was gonna be something like ColdSnap (Halo CE)

  • 03.19.2008 10:22 AM PDT
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well its about fuking time
but yea...still we need blood gulch also
how many maps r gona be released on the legendary map pack?

  • 03.19.2008 10:24 AM PDT

Posted by: TDT
well its about fuking time
but yea...still we need blood gulch also
how many maps r gona be released on the legendary map pack?


I hear 3 or 4

  • 03.19.2008 10:25 AM PDT

I bet rocket race is going to be hella fun on this map!!!

  • 03.19.2008 10:25 AM PDT

Im talking too much on here arnt I

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YAY! but i hear it got smaller.... that sucks... and judging from the pics, there is LESS cover for a flag carrier or a bomb carrier..... that makes things difficult.... i hope this isnt that super level thats supposedly bigger than sandtrap.

  • 03.19.2008 10:25 AM PDT

Posted by: YuffieK133
YAY! but i hear it got smaller.... that sucks... and judging from the pics, there is LESS cover for a flag carrier or a bomb carrier..... that makes things difficult.... i hope this isnt that super level thats supposedly bigger than sandtrap.


It is

  • 03.19.2008 10:26 AM PDT
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cold snap?
do u mean chill out?

  • 03.19.2008 10:27 AM PDT

BEAUTIFUL.... it looks amazing... i know this map will be one of my favorites of all Halo 3 maps.... nice work omg i just cant get over how pretty it looks :) YAAAAYYYY

  • 03.19.2008 10:27 AM PDT

An exact remake of Hang 'Em High would totally sell me...i guess people dont like medium to big maps...is that becuase all you can get kills with is a AR and your -blam!- melee hitbox kills. everyone knows the best players are those who can weild the BR...which by the way should be made more powerful..I mean its not even as powerfull as the Halo ce pistol..cmon..why do you think everyone loves Halo 1...BEcuase it has and awesome pistol..THree shots to the head and there dead...that is three acurate shots.with the BR its four VERY accurate shots the head.. anyway HANG 'EM HIGH..remake with no -blam!- changes..thx.

  • 03.19.2008 10:28 AM PDT

Posted by: TDT
cold snap?
do u mean chill out?


no... I mean Coldsnap... the Hangars on either side, one with longswords the other with a mythos etc.

  • 03.19.2008 10:28 AM PDT

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Posted by: YuffieK133
YAY! but i hear it got smaller.... that sucks... and judging from the pics, there is LESS cover for a flag carrier or a bomb carrier..... that makes things difficult.... i hope this isnt that super level thats supposedly bigger than sandtrap.


It didn't get smaller moron. Bungie said it was the biggest Halo map ever! How could it be that if it got smaller.

  • 03.19.2008 10:30 AM PDT

My Gamertag is DarkBladeX360

Posted by: XBeast WithinX
Well it brought down my hopes for like a snowy BG/Coagulation but it's awesome SideWinder is coming back. But maybe moonlight sonata is BG/Coagulation in night time. Oh and they shouldn't put a scarab because if you look at the pictures there is like this giant thing going along the middle (scarab wouldn't fit there) so they are most likely putting the pelican or maybe phantom or maybe BOTH!!!!!!!




*Edit* Oh and the only thing I am dissapointed about are the mancannons. It kind of throws off the whole vehicle map idea. Plus it would be annoying in a hornet or maybe PELICAN if you go near the ManCannon and it sends you flying.

(Pardon me if I'm wrong but from the pictures it looked like there were ManCannons on the side)

  • 03.19.2008 10:31 AM PDT

Posted by: XBeast WithinX
Posted by: XBeast WithinX
Well it brought down my hopes for like a snowy BG/Coagulation but it's awesome SideWinder is coming back. But maybe moonlight sonata is BG/Coagulation in night time. Oh and they shouldn't put a scarab because if you look at the pictures there is like this giant thing going along the middle (scarab wouldn't fit there) so they are most likely putting the pelican or maybe phantom or maybe BOTH!!!!!!!




*Edit* Oh and the only thing I am dissapointed about are the mancannons. It kind of throws off the whole vehicle map idea. Plus it would be annoying in a hornet or maybe PELICAN if you go near the ManCannon and it sends you flying.

(Pardon me if I'm wrong but from the pictures it looked like there were ManCannons on the side)


well then dont fly near the mancannons

  • 03.19.2008 10:34 AM PDT
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I only called this way back on January 4th. My predictive powers are now pointing to moonlight sonata being a Lockout remake. But not with as much confidence as i predicted Avalanche.

Moonlight sounds like a Midship remake if anything. Lockout WILL NOT be remade, it has already been addressed by Guardian, read the interviews, they already said that Guardian is a remake of Lockout. Not a replica but still a remake of sorts and they will not dedicate another map to it, at least not in Halo 3. I actually want Moonlight to be a completely new map, hopefully a big map to add some variety in BTB.


I was mainly making my guess based on the interconnected platforms they were talking about in the description of it. Also the moonlit atmosphere they were talking about. A while ago I also analyzed guardian and realized it was a lot more like lockout than I originally thought so I pretty much realize there isn't going to be a lockout remake. I'm just holding out on my prediction because I made it around the same time of my Sidewinder one. It's been said the Moonlight sonata is going to be an MLG no brainer which would point to midship. I'm just not seeing interconnected platforms in midship, other than the top walkway.

  • 03.19.2008 10:34 AM PDT
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Don't damage my calm.

Q: What’s different about Avalanche in terms of actual structural changes?

NS: Buelterman knows best. NO LADDERS!

LB: The basics are the same, but you’ll notice some new additions (man cannons), and some things missing (the interior tunnel between the bases). We also haven’t had any ladders in Halo multiplayer maps since Halo 1, so we had to re-design the interiors of the bases to accommodate that. There are a lot more quick ways to get around the level now, that’s probably the biggest change.


LB must have hated Waterworks from Halo 2 like most people did, since he forgot about the ladders in the bottom of the "pump?" in the center of the map.

  • 03.19.2008 10:37 AM PDT