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Subject: Locking Threads--To moderators

It would be respected if you explain why you lock threads, not just lock a thread without giving a reason. Obvious items such as discussing stickied conversations are one thing, but I am really aggravated when a thread is locked without reasoning, or the moderator whom locked it isn't identified. Here is an example: http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=18830455

Thank you.

[Edited on 03.26.2008 5:49 AM PDT]

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I don't think mods have to tell you why they lock threads. I'm not saying it wouldn't be a good thing, but if a thread is locked 99.98% of the time its locked for a good reason.

  • 03.26.2008 4:37 AM PDT

Posted by: Mr SnuggIy
So I think Jun's a master chef, because he takes off his helmet and your like whoa, I think he's a chef.

So to shorten this up, Jun is master chef.

This has been discussed before. The reason that they don't is because posting can take a lot of time and it bumps a topic to the top. When that happens, it greatly lowers the Ninja's effectiveness, which we don't want. If a member needs to know, he can PM someone.

The only reason that I would support this is because I always like reading their witty comments, but the negatives outweigh the positives.

[Edited on 03.26.2008 4:39 AM PDT]

  • 03.26.2008 4:38 AM PDT

I understand the bump issue, but a PM to the Thread creator would be sufficient. See my example above (I can't get hyperlinking to work for me?) I cannot see a reason that thread was locked for example. I don't mean to hype up my other thread, just using it as example material here. It was locked, no mod was identified and as far as I can see I discussed a new issue that hasn't been answered by Bungie.

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Just cause they lock a thread doesn't mean they have to tell you why. It's your obligation to read the rules. So if it gets locked you either didn't read the rules or maybe you reposted something that is already pinned.

  • 03.26.2008 4:42 AM PDT

Posted by: Mr SnuggIy
So I think Jun's a master chef, because he takes off his helmet and your like whoa, I think he's a chef.

So to shorten this up, Jun is master chef.

Posted by: sigmapi103
I understand the bump issue, but a PM to the Thread creator would be sufficient. See my example above (I can't get hyperlinking to work for me?) I cannot see a reason that thread was locked for example.

As a start, that was posted in the Optimatch Forum. That forum is strictly for discussing playlists, not just the game. For that kind of thing, you want the Halo 3 Forum, however, I believe that all Legendary map discussion is to be kept in a central thread.

About PMing, it's the same issue as posting. It takes up lots of time. The moderators usually don't have time to devote to thoughtfully writing something like that out and they need to keep moving from thread to thread, locking them. If they stop for something, threads could go unnoticed, among other things.

[Edited on 03.26.2008 4:49 AM PDT]

  • 03.26.2008 4:45 AM PDT

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Posted by: sigmapi103
I understand the bump issue, but a PM to the Thread creator would be sufficient. See my example above (I can't get hyperlinking to work for me?) I cannot see a reason that thread was locked for example.

As a start, that was posted in the Optimatch Forum. That forum is strictly for discussing playlists, not just the game. For that kind of thing, you want the Halo 3 Forum, however, I believe that all Legendary map discussion is to be kept in a central thread.

About PMing, it's the same issue as posting. It takes up lots of time. The moderators usually don't have time to devote to thoughtfully writing something like that out and they need to keep moving from thread to thread, locking them. If they stop for something, threads could go unnoticed, among other things.


If the reasoning was because my post was in the wrong area, so be it, but thats getting very specific. I thought that particular section was to discuss the online part of Halo 3 and all the aspects of it. Maps, of course, would be a part of that. Being that specific about posting is borderline ridiculous. I did reiterate my thoughts and questions on the correct forum.

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Posted by: sigmapi103
It would be respected if you explain why you lock threads, not just lock a thread without giving a reason. Obvious items such as discussing stickied conversations are one thing, but I am really aggravated when a thread is locked without reasoning, or the moderator whom locked it isn't identified. Here is an example: http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=18830455[/url]

Thank you.

As a side note, you simply forgot the opening tag for your link. A link should look like this:
[url]http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=18830455[/url]
and you will get this:
http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=18830455

Another way to do it would be:
[url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=18830455]t ext goes here[/url]
That would let you either describe the link, or integrate the link into the sentence, which looks better usually.

As for the topic, you didn't get a message about what you did wrong because the moderator didn't feel that you had done something bad enough to deserve an official warning, which would have came with a reason (but warnings go on your record, so it's good not to get them).

Usually the reasons for a locked thread are obvious, so they don't require an explanation. In the cases where you're not sure, however, it would be a good idea to PM a moderator; any of the ones you see around the forums would be able to answer your question.

Regarding your specific thread: I would agree that it was locked because it was in the Optimatch forum. Only threads directly related to the playlists belong there, and all other Halo 3 threads belong in the Halo 3 forum. I took a quick look into the Halo 3 forum, and I didn't see any stickied "discuss legendary map pack here" threads (only map threads), and I didn't see any similar topics to yours on the front page or in the top threads. I don't think there would be a problem with recreating the thread in the Halo 3 forum. It is a valid (and perhaps important) discussion topic. I can't see anything wrong with discussing it, and since you didn't receive a warning, I would assume that the moderator who locked it saw nothing wrong either, aside from the placement.

  • 03.26.2008 5:08 AM PDT

http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=18830455

Ok now it works. Thank you AKU for your help with that.

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First it bumps the topic, second moderators have lives, it takes a lot of effort explaining why each thread has been locked, also often members will post in the thread explaining what is wrong with it before a mod arrives so there is no need. Sometimes they will send a message via The Disembodied Soul an automated bot and in less active forums or active topics they may see it fit to reply with an explanation.

Remember it always varies between moderators as no two are the same. Also if they explained every thread it would become expected and it would be a tiresome, unneeded task they would need to undertake.

If you are unsure why your thread was locked have a read of the rules, if you're still confused query a moderator, they will usually be happy to help although dependant on their PM box load their response time may vary.

I would rather efficient, quick and unexplained moderation than slower, more explained moderation because if all the mods need to justify why they locked a thread more time would be spent undertaking this task than actually sorting out the forums.

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As it's been mentioned, it'd take too much time if they sent EVERYONE a message regarding why the thread they created was locked. Also, as it's already been mentioned, the reason the thread got locked is because it was in the wrong section; it's fairly common knowledge that the Optimatch is for playlist discussion. I know you said you thought it was the right section, but it's pretty obvious that it's not. I mean, just read the banners. The Optimatch banner says "discuss Halo online matchmaking and gametypes"* whereas the Halo 3 forum says "Halo 3 Campaign, multiplayer, and more"

Reading stickies in forums is to your benefit. The moderators shouldn't have to send people messages because a member is too lazy to read the rules themselves.

You know the answer to your question, now, but as suggested, if you have a question, PM a mod and read the rules in every forum. You could end up being a very productive member.



[Edited on 03.26.2008 6:55 AM PDT]

  • 03.26.2008 6:47 AM PDT

Posted by: Mr Mousetrap
As it's been mentioned, it'd take too much time if they sent EVERYONE a message regarding why the thread they created was locked. Also, as it's already been mentioned, the reason the thread got locked is because it was in the wrong section; it's fairly common knowledge that the Optimatch is for playlist discussion. I know you said you thought it was the right section, but it's pretty obvious that it's not. I mean, just read the banners. The Optimatch banner says "discuss Halo online matchmaking and gametypes"* whereas the Halo 3 forum says "Halo 3 Campaign, multiplayer, and more"

Reading stickies in forums is to your benefit. The moderators shouldn't have to send people messages because a member is too lazy to read the rules themselves.

You know the answer to your question, now, but as suggested, if you have a question, PM a mod and read the rules in every forum. You could end up being a very productive member.



I made sure I read the rules, and again, I thought discussions about maps fell into the the category which I posted. It is contradictory to state the Halo 3 form is both for multiplayer and general game discussion. Once again, I ask for accountability in locking threads in respect of the creator of the thread.

  • 03.26.2008 8:59 AM PDT

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We usually always warn the user if their thread doesn't belong on the forums. That tells the OP why it was locked without bumping the thread back to the top.

Perhaps the mod who locked that was going easy on you because he <3s you?

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Posted by: ash55
We usually always warn the user if their thread doesn't belong on the forums. That tells the OP why it was locked without bumping the thread back to the top.
Yep. Also remember that if you have a question about the reason for any thread being locked, feel free to PM any moderator about it. The Mod Finder is a useful way to find moderators who are currently online.

  • 03.26.2008 9:26 AM PDT

I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.

Yep. Also remember that if you have a question about the reason for any thread being locked, feel free to PM any moderator about it. The Mod Finder is a useful way to find moderators who are currently online.
Also a good time to flood them with PM's just for funzies!

Haha Foman... =P

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I might just do that now........

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Posted by: sigmapi103
I made sure I read the rules, and again, I thought discussions about maps fell into the the category which I posted. It is contradictory to state the Halo 3 form is both for multiplayer and general game discussion. Once again, I ask for accountability in locking threads in respect of the creator of the thread.


Quoted from the thread I linked earlier...
This is the area where you can discuss Matchmaking, Gametypes, Playlists, and Hoppers. Discussions about other topics do not belong here.


I don't see the word "maps" anywhere in that sentence. Maybe it's because that box of Captain Crunch jipped me out of a decoder ring and you see something that I don't see.

Or maybe...reading comprehension isn't one of your strong points.

The multiplayer discussion that goes on in the Halo 3 forum isn't in regards to Matchmaking, Gametypes, Playlists or matcmaking hoppers. It's about weapon balance, map strategy, etc. (actually they usually just piss and moan about things they can't change, and trying to figure out how to get teh reconz).

It doesn't seem that that hard to understand.

[Edited on 03.26.2008 10:01 AM PDT]

  • 03.26.2008 9:53 AM PDT

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Maybe this could be a new Ninja feature? If a thread is locked, moderators could either select the reason from a pre-set list, or give a short comment as to why the topic was locked. This could then be sent to the topic creator in a PM.

Your topic [topic name here] has been locked by a Moderator for the following reason(s):

Topic bumping is against the rules.Please read the forum rules before posting again. Failure to follow the rules will result in a ban.
Short and simple. It wouldn't leave the OP in the dark, and it wouldn't bring up the topic in question.

[Edited on 03.26.2008 10:01 AM PDT]

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Posted by: Zoidberg25
Maybe this could be a new Ninja feature? If a thread is locked, moderators could either select the reason from a pre-set list, or give a short comment as to why the topic was locked. This could then be sent to the topic creator in a PM.

Your topic [topic name here] has been locked by a Moderator for the following reason(s):

Topic bumping is against the rules.Please read the forum rules before posting again. Failure to follow the rules will result in a ban.
Short and simple. It wouldn't leave the OP in the dark, and it wouldn't bring up the topic in question.


I'd rather see features that are beneficial to the whole community be implemented first, rather than features implemented to help babysit the lazies.

  • 03.26.2008 10:02 AM PDT

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Posted by: Mr Mousetrap
I'd rather see features that are beneficial to the whole community be implemented first, rather than features implemented to help babysit the lazies.
Of course. I'm not saying this is an urgently needed feature and should be added right away - It's just an idea to help community members and possibly moderators.

  • 03.26.2008 10:05 AM PDT

Posted by: ash55
We usually always warn the user if their thread doesn't belong on the forums. That tells the OP why it was locked without bumping the thread back to the top.

Perhaps the mod who locked that was going easy on you because he <3s you?


Thats fine, just back to my original point that the lock on that particular thread didn't identify which moderator did so. So it was like a dead end with no leads to follow up. Again, I thought discussing maps in the mulitplayer forum was appropriate.

Zoidberg's idea is very good.

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Posted by: Zoidberg25
Maybe this could be a new Ninja feature? If a thread is locked, moderators could either select the reason from a pre-set list, or give a short comment as to why the topic was locked. This could then be sent to the topic creator in a PM.

Your topic [topic name here] has been locked by a Moderator for the following reason(s):

Topic bumping is against the rules.Please read the forum rules before posting again. Failure to follow the rules will result in a ban.
Short and simple. It wouldn't leave the OP in the dark, and it wouldn't bring up the topic in question.
It is my understanding that mods can send users PM's about locked threads that go through the Disembidied Soul. If not I think this would be a nice tool but an unneeded one, people should always consult the rules to educate themselves, if it isn't obvious they can then ask a mod.

  • 03.28.2008 6:39 AM PDT

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I had a thread locked and they mod PMed me an explanation. It was helpful.

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Posted by: sigmapi103
Thats fine, just back to my original point that the lock on that particular thread didn't identify which moderator did so. So it was like a dead end with no leads to follow up. Again, I thought discussing maps in the mulitplayer forum was appropriate.

Zoidberg's idea is very good.


The lock on that particular thread didn't need any follow-up. It's so obvious as to why it got locked. If you have a thread that gets locked and it really bothers you that much, PM a moderator. Why should they have to send you a message telling you why you messed up? Why don't you take the extra initiative and find out? You did so with this post, but even posting a topic in the Community forum is the wrong way to go about it.

Zoidberg's idea is fine, but I'd rather people stop being ignorant and read [and comprehend] the stickies. Seriously, all you've basically said in everyone of your posts is "well, they should have still told me".

Your thread was locked. You found out why. From now on if one of your thread gets locked and it hurts your feelings that much, just PM a moderator to find out why. It doesn't matter which moderator you PM, they all know the rules and would tell you why your thread was locked.

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