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Subject: A Proposed Halo 2 Demo: For and Against
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Greetings,

Having seen the many requests and threads for a Halo 2 demo, I've decided to come up with this. If you like it, try and bump the thread so that it stays near the top and bungie get to see it, instead of sinking. And remember, if you don't want to know anything about Halo 2 - you want it to remain a surprise - you don't have to play it

Proposed Demo Features
Single Player: 'EarthCity' level shown at E3 2003 (or the level section shown if the level continues past the cutscene)
Multiplayer: Possible Co-op mode
Support for Splitscreen/LAN games
Possible integration with XBL 2
Settings: Allow player(s) to create a profile

NOTE: A Disclaimer would DEFINITELY need to be used IF the graphics used in the demo for those particular levels are NOT FINAL.

Possible Shipping Methods:
On the Demo disk on OXM
On other magazines
On ecommerce sites such as Amazon for a small fee (7$ / 5£ ?)

FOR:
+ Generates more publicity about Halo 2 (It'll be mentioned in every game mag most likely and make the front page of OXM since it'll be on their demo disc)
+ Allows new Halo players and Xbox owners to play the game and see what the fuss is about, probably increasing future Halo 2 sales
+ Multiplayer/Co-op mode could increase Xbox sales (if a friend who doesn't own an xbox played the demo, they might decide to buy one for Halo 2 - I brought one just to play Halo) which would benefit Microsoft and Bungie
+ Allows Halo 2 fans to play the game and get even more hyped up about it
+ No story details are given away
+ No other unmentioned weapons/characters/etc are given away since most players have seen the 2003/2004 E3 presentations
+ Little work would have to be done since the levels and programming needed have pretty much been completed
+ Causes the forums to become less cluttered
+ Making the demo XBL compatible would encourage more people to sign up for XBL

AGAINST:
- Would require a little work to be done in terms of programming, and marketing

ADDITIONAL NOTES:
* A Disclaimer would be required
* Not every player will be able to use multiplayer, so SPC is important
* Allowing MP games with 1 player to allow exploration of Zanzibar would offer people who are unable to play multiplayer a taste for it

Flawed Arguements Against The Demo:

t will ruin the surprise
Rubbish. All the stuff in the demo will be what we have seen/heard about before. No unrevealed stuff.

It doesn't portray the quality of the final version
Possibly, but the Halo demo didn't exactly do that either - in the Xbox one, MC moved like a rock at about 2kph. Not exactly retail-version quality.

But some people want to wait for the retail version
Simple. Don't play the demo. If you can't resist playing a demo if one is released then it's your problem.

People who have played the demo will have an unfair advantage come Nov. 9th
Wrong. Ok, so they might know a few more things about the Zanzibar level than others, but a lot of info is given away already in gaming articles. As for skill, Halo is very similar in terms of gameplay to Halo 2, so practice on Halo in the meantime

The experience of Nov. 9th won't be as good if we've played the demo
Don't play it if you're worried about it. However, the demo should give you hunger for more, and you'll be dying for Nov. 9th to come so you can get stuck into the rest of the game.





[Edited on 6/18/2004 9:26:53 AM]

  • 06.18.2004 3:15 AM PDT
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I'd rather the demo used at E3-2004 instead. I don't want ANY singleplayer gameplay until November 9th when everything about the game is PERFECT!!! But I think a well done MP setup with even just Zanzibar and limited settings would be amazing. They could also include live support to use it as testing maybe, or uh, something...
me tired... ;P

  • 06.18.2004 3:19 AM PDT
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If you don't want SPC gameplay ou don't have to play it; no one's holding a gun to yur head and telling you that if you get the demo you must play SPC.

  • 06.18.2004 3:21 AM PDT
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i very much support you

i started the same topic

be prepared for alot of people to mention that it will "spoil everything" even though you stated that you don't have to play it.

i said that i know that some people also don't want things to be spoiled....

you know
it doesn't help

  • 06.18.2004 3:22 AM PDT
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thank you AHaloPlayer
someone is thinking like me

  • 06.18.2004 3:24 AM PDT
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No no no no I'm not talking about it spoiling the game, but it would just be wrong to go through part of a level without the graphics being amped up and everything the way Bungie wants you to see it, its just... not right.
Multiplayer however doesn't really matter, they could put like Team Slayer, Slayer, and CTF, and thats it, on Zanzibar, with vehicle options, weapon options, and player options, and thats really it, I'm sure people would be so happy, it'd really slow the -blam!-ing about the release date.

  • 06.18.2004 3:28 AM PDT
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its a good idea, but i remember Bungie saying they are definitley NOT going to release any type of demo for halo 2 because they want it to be a suprise or something.

  • 06.18.2004 3:29 AM PDT
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Uh, when the hell did "Bungie" say that?

  • 06.18.2004 3:29 AM PDT
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The "we want it to be a surprise" logic is flawed since what would be included has already been seen by many people.

And for the graphics point, yes there remains some polishing to be done (just include a disclaimer or note saying the graphics are not finalised and don't reflect the quality of the final game), but it looks amazing as it is.

  • 06.18.2004 3:32 AM PDT
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^ thats what i said in mine(first paragraph)

thats the point of a demo it's supposed to give you a sneak peak of the game

  • 06.18.2004 3:40 AM PDT
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I think it would b the best idea since sliced bread.. and we all love sliced bread.
IF the put a SPC level in it i dont think i would be able to not play it so i hope they just make it multi. i think it would b great if they put the option of having bots in it to( it would shut some people up )

thanks 4 the great post.. oh and how do you "bump"?

  • 06.18.2004 3:41 AM PDT
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Bumping is simple - it's where you reply to a topic in order to keep it at the top.


I don't think not being able to resist SPC is a bad thing :-)

[Edited on 6/18/2004 3:44:47 AM]

  • 06.18.2004 3:44 AM PDT
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Ugh... I just don't think that they should let anyone play solo until the game is out, some people might complain its not good enough, and some things might not be in the final game, regardless of whether they put a warning or disclaimer or whatever in or not, there will still be people BSing all over. As for multiplayer, they could just put the demo out and nothing would be set, since it has different settings and crap, no one could say -blam!-. But I understand where you're coming from, its just that, I don't think you NEED to play the solo game, don't you agree that MP is good enough, especially for a demo?

  • 06.18.2004 3:46 AM PDT
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if they release one people who aren't fps fans or, losers, who don't want to get it might have an intress in it after they play it.

then someone with the demo would let there friend who dosen't have an xbox
and then the demo is so good they go out and get a xbox when halo2 comes out

both bungie and microsoft could beifet just from the demo

[Edited on 6/18/2004 3:51:06 AM]

  • 06.18.2004 3:50 AM PDT
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Yeah i agree with solidsnake.

what does -Blam!- mean? lol silly me sounding like a n00b

  • 06.18.2004 3:56 AM PDT
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Solid we're trying to tell you that it's a demo. nothings finished.
if they relese a mp version stupid people, like you, will think it's final and it sucks so they won't get it

if they relese a SPC level than probably only the hard core halo fans, obveously not you, will play it or mabey the casual gamer that got their hands on one

  • 06.18.2004 3:56 AM PDT
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Don't even mother -blam!- start with me. I wasn't arguing with you at ALL, I was just stating reasons why it might be better, I really don't give a -blam!- what kind of demo they release if any, I'll just be happy to play Halo 2. Don't -blam!- call me stupid and do not -blam!- question my hardcore Halo-ism. Now shoo, you're bothering the intelligent people with your bad typing.
(Hey, I didn't start with you, so if you didn't mean it in a bad way, disregard.)

  • 06.18.2004 4:01 AM PDT
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your offending me and making me, VERY ANGREY!

but i will keep my cool so i don't get banned

[Edited on 6/18/2004 4:05:27 AM]

  • 06.18.2004 4:05 AM PDT
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If bungie integrate the demo into XBL 2.0, then I'd agree that the SPC level is not urgently required, but there are those that can't get broadband and due to some reason, can't play multiplayer easily, hence you include an SPC level to reach the widest possible audience.

Bungie could offer people who are unable to play multiplayer a taste of it by allowing players to host multiplayer games with only one person, so that the player can get a feel for multiplayer. This might also encourage more XBL signups.

  • 06.18.2004 4:06 AM PDT
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Posted by: SolidSnake3035
Uh, when the hell did "Bungie" say that?


they must have said that already a hundred times. So...no demo and begging for one doesn't help.

  • 06.18.2004 4:06 AM PDT
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Well......I guess i know what -Blam!- means

  • 06.18.2004 4:07 AM PDT
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They said that 100% there will NOT be a demo? If so, I'm sorry, I guess I either didn't hear or forgot. I have been up a long time, afterall.

Oh, and flamechu, you "offended" me without any reason at all by saying I was stupid and making it seem like I was some retard who didn't know what the hell I was talking about, so go away already.

[Edited on 6/18/2004 4:14:00 AM]

  • 06.18.2004 4:10 AM PDT
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same here

trying to go 24 hours

  • 06.18.2004 4:12 AM PDT
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I'm sorry people, but i, would not like a demo.

If we didnt have to play it, then other players would become better players on the complete game's release. Therefore, if we wanted a real chance on LIVE, we would have to play it.

So there sort of is another downside. I'm happy with waiting, and everyone else should be too!

  • 06.18.2004 5:51 AM PDT
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people still playing halo lan parties weekly will be better also

there's no difference at the base structure of the games

it's just one lv. against the ai

on live your playing against real people

your just mad cause you suck

  • 06.18.2004 5:56 AM PDT

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