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Later.
Ooh, this will hurt.

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Posted by: Recoton007
Sry Captain.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand...
Back to kissing ass, pal?


Piss off you Head humping wank, go back to your beloved Xbox forums so you can degenerate more in that de-evolutionary pool..

Back on topic.

In my honest opinion the only thing wrong with games is that some kids have been conditioned to not like the themes encountered in games, ill quote an example.
There is a kid at my school, total San Andreas fan, no problem with that....Yet
He talks about that game so much, it seems his life dream IS to be the guy in game.
The problem here?
He WANTS to be that person, to be "cool" and "gangsta", now that is the problem, some people are so desperate to be someone their not they try to apply game mechanics onto REAL LIFE, thats the only problem.
V tech?
Touchy subject yeah, but they put the blame on games, all games' offensive material is inconsequential until there is a catalyst, see they didn't tell whether the guy wasn't in the right mind in the first place, they simply blamed it on games.

For those who cant be F'ed thinking my argument over here it is short 'n' sweet
Games shouldn't be given to people whom have problems and aren't being helped with first hand.
Those crazy enough to try to apply game mechanics to real life needs a good long talk on life and how games mechanics are NOT rules in real life, their the world anytime, anywhere in the eyes of a games development team, when it comes down to the wire, games developers are mature, mentally stable people, people who have different motives to make games, but in the end, us gamers are playing someone else's vision, the mechanics in the game mean nothing and are by no means applicable to real life situations.

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Posted by: Recoton007
Sry Captain.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand...
Back to kissing ass, pal?
I didn't know apologizing was kissing ass. :D

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For those who cant be F'ed thinking my argument over here it is short 'n' sweet
Games shouldn't be given to people whom have problems and aren't being helped with first hand.
Those crazy enough to try to apply game mechanics to real life needs a good long talk on life and how games mechanics are NOT rules in real life, their the world anytime, anywhere in the eyes of a games development team, when it comes down to the wire, games developers are mature, mentally stable people, people who have different motives to make games, but in the end, us gamers are playing someone else's vision, the mechanics in the game mean nothing and are by no means applicable to real life situations.


I think if someone has "problems" that can't be helped, access to violent videogames should be the least of society's concerns. For example, I can recall a case where a kid who was on medication was playing Everquest (when it was actually fun to play). Well, turns out that kid also had access to a rifle, and closed himself off from society as well. He became engrossed in the game, and stopped taking his medication, so when he lost alot of virtual gold, he decided to shoot himself in the head...not the best idea...

Now who is to blame here? The store that sold him the game, despite the fact that he was a rational individual while on medication? The game developers for creating an addictive game that could lead one to close themselves off from society? The gun store, where the sellers indirectly aided in his suicide, and could have possibly endangered the safety of those around him? Or perhaps the parents who allowed for him to become so recluse and consumed by a gaming addiction?

I blame the parents. A person can become mentally corrupted from any of a million reasons. Though most of the heat has been recently placed on videogames as a deadly form of entertainment, it is so interesting how society forgets that before videogames, there were thousands of other crazy psychopaths on killing sprees. The Postal system lead to crazed nutcases coming in with machine guns at work, the book Catcher in the Rye was accused of causing the readers to go on homicidal killing sprees, the movie Taxi was blamed for the attempted assassination on Ronald Reagan.

Societies will always have their fair share of psychopaths. Nitpicking out the crazed psychopath gamers is a cheap shot at the videogaming industry. Because most gamers are still under some adult supervision, it is important for parents to act as rolemodels and as authoritative figures, and not go partying on Saturday Nights instead.

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True dat.

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I'd just like to point out that I'm a gaming addicted recluse, but I don't feel the need to go on a rampage. Sure it'd be nice to get a gun and carry it everywhere I go. That would stop those tail-gaters, those f---ing people are trying to kill me I swear. :P

You know, when you think about it you can't really blame the parents either. Unless they were the ones who creating the kids problems ie: genetics or abuse. You have to hope that most parents would recognize the signs that their little kids having problems and get them some help. But ultimately the blame still falls on little Billy or Suzy for picking up the gun and pointing it at someone. Regardless of whether or not the "help" was effective, or if it was disregarded.

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Who's to blame? No one! Yay!

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I'd just like to point out that I'm a gaming addicted recluse, but I don't feel the need to go on a rampage. Sure it'd be nice to get a gun and carry it everywhere I go. That would stop those tail-gaters, those f---ing people are trying to kill me I swear. :P

lol

Posted by: TUI_Obi_Wan
You know, when you think about it you can't really blame the parents either. Unless they were the ones who creating the kids problems ie: genetics or abuse. You have to hope that most parents would recognize the signs that their little kids having problems and get them some help. But ultimately the blame still falls on little Billy or Suzy for picking up the gun and pointing it at someone. Regardless of whether or not the "help" was effective, or if it was disregarded.

Oh but I can, and I am. In the debate between nature vs. nuture, of course nature plays a role, but I believe that nuture is more important in shaping an individual. If the everquest kid I referenced earlier had had more competent parents, then his suicide could have been avoided. Not to place all the blame on the parents, I agree that his medical condition was a serious threat to his whole well-being, however you have to admit this.

When your son falls out of contact with you for a month, what do you do? Shrug? F*** NO. You hunt that everquest addicted kid down, and beat sense into him. Then you take his rifle and bust a cap in the processor, then force him to eat the blended everquest cd.

Anyway, my point is that neglect = incomptence, and parental incompetence is dangerous to someone with a medical history. The mother not only neglected her son for months, but also following her suicide, was overcome by her own denial, and decided to sue the video gaming industry, because of her own incompetence. That is seriously messed up. Parents have the ultimate authority in the household. That is why you don't steal their money and buy an xbox360. Because THEY decide EVERYTHING in THEIR house. That's the bottomline.

I apologize if I sound cold. I do feel empathy for her loss, however, her actions after his death were completely uncalled for. This is the root of my seemingly cold response.

[Edited on 04.09.2008 7:50 PM PDT]

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Posted by: Recoton007
Posted by: TUI_Obi_Wan
I'd just like to point out that I'm a gaming addicted recluse, but I don't feel the need to go on a rampage. Sure it'd be nice to get a gun and carry it everywhere I go. That would stop those tail-gaters, those f---ing people are trying to kill me I swear. :P

lol

Posted by: TUI_Obi_Wan
You know, when you think about it you can't really blame the parents either. Unless they were the ones who creating the kids problems ie: genetics or abuse. You have to hope that most parents would recognize the signs that their little kids having problems and get them some help. But ultimately the blame still falls on little Billy or Suzy for picking up the gun and pointing it at someone. Regardless of whether or not the "help" was effective, or if it was disregarded.

Oh but I can, and I am. In the debate between nature vs. nuture, of course nature plays a role, but I believe that nuture is more important in shaping an individual. If the everquest kid I referenced earlier had had more competent parents, then his suicide could have been avoided. Not to place all the blame on the parents, I agree that his medical condition was a serious threat to his whole well-being, however you have to admit this.

When your son falls out of contact with you for a month, what do you do? Shrug? F*** NO. You hunt that everquest addicted kid down, and beat sense into him. Then you take his rifle and bust a cap in the processor, then force him to eat the blended everquest cd.

Anyway, my point is that neglect = incomptence, and parental incompetence is dangerous to someone with a medical history. The mother not only neglected her son for months, but also following her suicide, was overcome by her own denial, and decided to sue the video gaming industry, because of her own incompetence. That is seriously messed up. Parents have the ultimate authority in the household. That is why you don't steal their money and buy an xbox360. Because THEY decide EVERYTHING in THEIR house. That's the bottomline.

I apologize if I sound cold. I do feel empathy for her loss, however, her actions after his death were completely uncalled for. This is the root of my seemingly cold response.


Also an issue, my point was that the first problem is letting someone who seems to be incapable of telling the difference between real and game is stupid, then if the parents or those around them are dumb enough to let that person go unchecked is waaaayyy -blam!-,,

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  • 04.10.2008 9:30 AM PDT

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Ok, second attempt at posting, bungie ate my last one... I'll copy and paste this one before it dies I guess.

So. My opinion, in short, because I'm still annoyed about having already typed this once: parents fault. If they're already incompetent enough fail at raising their own child, they aren't going to have the maturity to appoint blame where blame is due. Now, as fear is often bred from lack of understanding, the place the blame on a still fairly new media that they do not understand: video games. Bam.

Now, onto the government. Someone said that they are just trying to take a more active role. Not. They're just trying to appease their voters. They don't do what's right, they do what the masses want them to do. And the masses are ignorant about video games, because all they see on the subject is lawsuits from ignorant parents one after another, so they think it must be true.

On to how video games affect children. First off: should only be presented to a child when the parent truly believes that the child has reached the appropriate maturity level for whatever the game in question is. It's the parents job to put thought into making that judgment.
As far as when video games actually do cause violence, I seriously believe that video games are the sole cause. There will be some underlying problem in the background that the parent won't want to acknowledge and isn't as popular for the media to accuse. I believe that video games are only catalysts to pre-existing problems.

How video games have affected me personally: The only time I ever witness gross acts of violence is in video games, which has led me only ever to associate such things with video games. I think of such things as so far off from reality that I would never even consider committing such an act of violence in the real world.

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I think you might be in for quite the shocker if you ever happened to be approached by eight people demanding money you don't have. Speaking from experience here, the thought of committing an act of violence isn't so far off from reality as you'd think. That was a good day. Sure I got my ass kicked, but I got some good licks in and I feel like I won because I wasn't the one who ran away like a wussy. Don't assume that because you wouldn't ever consider an act of violence doesn't mean you won't act violent given a certain situation.

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Breaking a few keys on a keyboard isnt going to kill you or those aorund you >.>

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A Problem of Values

As long as this is a thread of my qualms related to gaming, I find this particular article kind of amusing.

http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=175748

Why is an expression of -blam!-/hetero-blam!-ity more offensive than a severed head? I mean come on. Sex is in games just as it is in movies, however, thanks to the ESRB, it does not nearly have such a dominating presence in the industry.

I find it unnerving how parents seem so narrowminded with regards to sex in videogames. Take the game mass effect for example. A fifteen-second cutscene of non-explicit sex leads to a barrage of outrage against the gaming industry. The mere possibility of an expression of homo-blam!-ity lead to the temporary banning of the game from Singapore, however, once they reconsidered, the writers of legislature realized they were just being retarded, and they promptly lifted the ban.

What these unnecessarily outraged people are doing are confusing the videogaming industry as a cesspool of everything that could corrupt a young childs mind. "Two men kissing" should not be confused as an offensive instance in a videogame (if there exists any such instance in a game, i am unaware of one.) It is NATURAL, as it is NATURAL for an instance of a man kissing a women. A greater understanding of homo-blam!-ity will not mentally scar our younger generations, but will rather leave them more open minded. The last time I checked, we wanted to better educate and prepare our younger generations for the future, and not shut them out in the old segregated ways of the past. We are the next generation, and I believe that the chart from the article represents our world's social failings. The United States, puritan or not, is the land of the free, marking an end to close-mindedness. We have freedom of religion for the same reason that we have freedom of speech. Apparently the parents of the survey do not believe in the freedom of expression...

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Posted by: cHr0n0sPh3r3
Posted by: SpartanGeneral7
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Later.
Ooh, this will hurt.

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Posted by: Recoton007
Sry Captain.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand...
Back to kissing ass, pal?


Piss off you Head humping wank, go back to your beloved Xbox forums so you can degenerate more in that de-evolutionary pool..
Haha, I enraged a noob. Go ahead and make your assumptions, you type like a kid in LIVE. I'm no console retard for your knowledge, but hey, it's not my business what you think or, atleast, want to believe. I think the only little wank here is you, -blam!-ging in the already kid-infected gene-pool we, PC gaming community, sadly are. Cursing with the thought of sounding funny isn't getting you nowhere. Nice try.

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Despite the fact that you always post in huge blocks of text, not "short n' sweet" like ChronoSphere would say, I think your Qualms thread is always good Recoton. Keep it up.


[Edited on 04.11.2008 10:28 PM PDT]

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Chrono's not a noob. He's been here much longer than you have. Frankly, you're a bit of an ass.

Oh and those "huge blocks of text" are called paragraphs. That's how normal people arrange words to convey their message. I'm sorry if you're too lazy to take the time to read. When was the last time you picked up a book? In case you were wondering, books are what people used to communicate their ideas before TV and Video games. Instead of coming into my forum and filling the only intellectual discussion this place has had in about 2 years with pointless comments, you should go read one of those books i mentioned. I recommend Debt of Honor by Tom Clancy. Extremely good book, but it might be a teeny bit advanced for you.

Oh, sorry about the huge block of text. I forgot you don't like paragraphs.

[Edited on 04.12.2008 6:53 AM PDT]

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Posted by: SpartanGeneral7
Posted by: cHr0n0sPh3r3
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Posted by: new420
Later.
Ooh, this will hurt.

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Posted by: Recoton007
Sry Captain.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand...
Back to kissing ass, pal?


Piss off you Head humping wank, go back to your beloved Xbox forums so you can degenerate more in that de-evolutionary pool..
Haha, I enraged a noob. Go ahead and make your assumptions, you type like a kid in LIVE. I'm no console retard for your knowledge, but hey, it's not my business what you think or, atleast, want to believe. I think the only little wank here is you, -blam!-ging in the already kid-infected gene-pool we, PC gaming community, sadly are. Cursing with the thought of sounding funny isn't getting you nowhere. Nice try.

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Despite the fact that you always post in huge blocks of text, not "short n' sweet" like ChronoSphere would say, I think your Qualms thread is always good Recoton. Keep it up.


Stop trying to act like you know how the gaming industry is steadily killing itself because you have obviously have not played any game other than Halo, if you have congratulations you aren't as stupid as i first thought, but acting like you know what is a good game, you know how long this forum's members have been steadily been buried by an ignorant host, i may not, but i sure as hell know that you don't.
Your name here on the forums i can clearly see that you do not have a decent if any understanding of the more memorable games. The mere fact you use insults like "Noob" tell me your vocabulary is more limited than a blind monkey, with the wit of crushed ice.

Now act properly and construct an argument to the subject instead of trying to protect your pride.

Back on topic:

I agree with Recoton whole heartedly, as i said before when your playing a game you are not in some sort of lounge for entertainment, you are just following someone else's vision, whether their some hobo or the most sophisticated person you will ever meet, a game is an art form, if anything it is like visiting an art museum, but interactive. Personally i get absorbed in the concepts for games, i mean their incredible, how someone could conceive objects of such beauty. Sure there are games with violence, gore and violence, but all of them reflect on one thing the mind set of the creator.
And if some stupid parent wishes that their child not be exposed to such themes, they have got some serious thinking to do, i mean if i had kids i would try to help them through the themes in games as much as possible. Who here knew how the reproductive system worked when they were in fourth grade?

Yeah, and the emotional themes are all exposed to you on television anyways, it might just be my chronic callus attitude, but the emotional side of s exual themes really should be the ones parents are worrying about,

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[Edited on 04.13.2008 8:34 AM PDT]

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Later.
Ooh, this will hurt.

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Posted by: Recoton007
Sry Captain.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand...
Back to kissing ass, pal?


Piss off you Head humping wank, go back to your beloved Xbox forums so you can degenerate more in that de-evolutionary pool..
Haha, I enraged a noob. Go ahead and make your assumptions, you type like a kid in LIVE. I'm no console retard for your knowledge, but hey, it's not my business what you think or, atleast, want to believe. I think the only little wank here is you, -blam!-ging in the already kid-infected gene-pool we, PC gaming community, sadly are. Cursing with the thought of sounding funny isn't getting you nowhere. Nice try.

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Despite the fact that you always post in huge blocks of text, not "short n' sweet" like ChronoSphere would say, I think your Qualms thread is always good Recoton. Keep it up.


Just get out. Please.

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http://www.whattheyplay.com/
AHAHAHAHHAhAHAAA!!!!!

Oh my god i cant describe how hard i laughed when i saw the page load up, haaa damn this parents against Video games thing is out of hand i swear...

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I just took a look at the site, and there seems to be a significant lack of parallelism (if I may use the term.) The headlines of the site are covered in M-rated content, implying that kids play messed up 2-bit games like lolitta, or whatever that retarded game is called, lula? lola? w/e. It's also nicely covered with a screen of CJ, while probably "grinding his loins." Yet the next few lines show what games people actually play. Games like Assassin's Creed, Crisis Core, Brawl, and Hannah Montana...Wait a second...WTF?!?

Who the hell is playing Hannah Montana? Are they honestly saying that Super Mario Galaxy is less popular than Hannah Montana. I was watching South Park the other night, and thought that people liked Hannah Montana, because her sacrifice would lead to an excellent harvest season (bad joke).

Anyway, I think that the guide is actually trying to be informative and helpful in having games work WITH parents, rather than against them. Despite some clear bias' in the site, the people behind it seem well-intentioned based on the material of the front page. Before you blast me, look at it this way.

If you were a parent who grew up with Pong and Pac-Man (he'll always be puckman to me), you won't know the first thing about Solid Snake or Master Chief or what have you. As a parent, are you going to go to the newstand and buy a copy of PC Gamer, with your New York Times and Wall Street Journal? Hell no. The site seems to provide a brief overview of what the good games are right now. Of course Gamespot and IGN would probably be better, but this seems to be a productive step in having games work with parents, instead of against them.

PS: The moral here is "Make love not war, hammer your swords into plowshares, etc." Let gamers work with parents, and then we all live in the wonderful world that is Halo, after we finish homework and chores. :)

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Posted by: Recoton007
and then we all live in the wonderful world that is Halo, after we finish homework and chores. :)


Yeah, I think I'll pass on that. The ability to go from 60 to 160 in less time than it takes to pass gas is infinitely more appealing to me.

And I totally agree with whatever you said too!

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Is it really that bad to support improving the information given to parents, if it means they become less biased, and more gaming friendly? All you need to do is inform them of the inaccuracies of the false perception that violent games will launch you into an uncontrollable killing spree, and as long as you finish your hw, gaming will be awesome.

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Don't worry about it, soon all the old people will be too old to do anything about it. The gamer generations dominance over the world is nigh.

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Don't worry about it, soon all the old people will be too old to do anything about it. The gamer generations dominance over the world is nigh.



Yeah and who will rule that generation?
The numerical superiority?
Or the more educated gamers?

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Posted by: cHr0n0sPh3r3
Posted by: TUI_Obi_Wan
Don't worry about it, soon all the old people will be too old to do anything about it. The gamer generations dominance over the world is nigh.



Yeah and who will rule that generation?
The numerical superiority?
Or the more educated gamers?


I will rule. I just need to finalize my plans and make a stop in Russia for some nuclear material. Either the nations of the world will recognize my dominance or I will usher forth a nuclear holocaust the likes of which you could only dream of.

  • 04.20.2008 7:10 AM PDT

Slaying noobs since 2007.

While I've been gone, talk about crazy. So, what exactly is the topic?

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