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Posted by: Banshee Barron
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there is always hope,


so, theres hope for a 78 year old man dieing of a fatal lung disease? is there hope for people suffering from AID's? is there hope for someone with a tumer the size of my fist? justified suicide means there is no hope for you, and you dont want to suffer/you dont want to make people you care suffer.


I still don't see the point of killing yourself. You may yet have some kind of purpose, no matter how minute. Let fate meet you where it chooses, not where you choose.


I second that, everyone is alive for a reason. You can either find it or live your life, either way, you will serve your purpose. There are just somethings that we can't understand until the very end, and if you cut your life short, you may have wasted your life. There are lives spent and then there are lives wasted. If I have to die, then I am going to spend my life, not throw it away.

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Posted by: CabKiller
I gurantee you that if you were in enough pain that would drive you to suicidal thoughts you would think differently. Especially if it happened every day.
yes but the drugs should make you forget bout your pain.

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Posted by: CabooseMoose7103
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there is always hope,


so, theres hope for a 78 year old man dieing of a fatal lung disease? is there hope for people suffering from AID's? is there hope for someone with a tumer the size of my fist? justified suicide means there is no hope for you, and you dont want to suffer/you dont want to make people you care suffer.


I still don't see the point of killing yourself. You may yet have some kind of purpose, no matter how minute. Let fate meet you where it chooses, not where you choose.


I second that, everyone is alive for a reason. You can either find it or live your life, either way, you will serve your purpose. There are just somethings that we can't understand until the very end, and if you cut your life short, you may have wasted your life. There are lives spent and then there are lives wasted. If I have to die, then I am going to spend my life, not throw it away.


thats not exactly the discussion. if your dieing, you should be able to quicken your death. thats not "thrwoing your life away" as you put it, because your life is getting thrown away anyways. your just making it faster so you suffer less. theres absolutely nothing wrong with preventing pain, now is there?

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Posted by: RandomlyIssued
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there is always hope,


so, theres hope for a 78 year old man dieing of a fatal lung disease? is there hope for people suffering from AID's? is there hope for someone with a tumer the size of my fist? justified suicide means there is no hope for you, and you dont want to suffer/you dont want to make people you care suffer.


I still don't see the point of killing yourself. You may yet have some kind of purpose, no matter how minute. Let fate meet you where it chooses, not where you choose.


I second that, everyone is alive for a reason. You can either find it or live your life, either way, you will serve your purpose. There are just somethings that we can't understand until the very end, and if you cut your life short, you may have wasted your life. There are lives spent and then there are lives wasted. If I have to die, then I am going to spend my life, not throw it away.


thats not exactly the discussion. if your dieing, you should be able to quicken your death. thats not "thrwoing your life away" as you put it, because your life is getting thrown away anyways. your just making it faster so you suffer less. theres absolutely nothing wrong with preventing pain, now is there?


Ah but it is. It doesn't matter if you are dieing. All that means is that your deadline is coming up (please pardon the pun). If you are dieing, use the time you have left, do something with your life. If you're dieing that, means you have nothing to lose. Your life is not being "thrown away" if a disease is killing you, only you can choose to throw it away, if you don't want to waste your life, then do something with it.

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Posted by: CabooseMoose7103
Ah but it is. It doesn't matter if you are dieing. All that means is that your deadline is coming up (please pardon the pun). If you are dieing, use the time you have left, do something with your life. If you're dieing that, means you have nothing to lose. Your life is not being "thrown away" if a disease is killing you, only you can choose to throw it away, if you don't want to waste your life, then do something with it.


are you expecting these people to majically jump out of thier hospital beds and go hangliding for the last month of thier lives? hell no!

you have no idea what these people have to go through. they're trapped in a hospital, they have constant surgury, they're on medication (and they will be until they die) and they have no life. most dont even see the sunshine. so stop thinking so naive and start thinking about whats really happening regarding this issue.

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Ah but it is. It doesn't matter if you are dieing. All that means is that your deadline is coming up (please pardon the pun). If you are dieing, use the time you have left, do something with your life. If you're dieing that, means you have nothing to lose. Your life is not being "thrown away" if a disease is killing you, only you can choose to throw it away, if you don't want to waste your life, then do something with it.


are you expecting these people to majically jump out of thier hospital beds and go hangliding for the last month of thier lives? hell no!

you have no idea what these people have to go through. they're trapped in a hospital, they have constant surgury, they're on medication (and they will be until they die) and they have no life. most dont even see the sunshine. so stop thinking so naive and start thinking about whats really happening regarding this issue.
heheh if i were to commit suicide it would probably involve a big explosion and flying limbs.and maybe other peoples flying limbs.oh yeah and lots and lots of drugs.

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Ah but it is. It doesn't matter if you are dieing. All that means is that your deadline is coming up (please pardon the pun). If you are dieing, use the time you have left, do something with your life. If you're dieing that, means you have nothing to lose. Your life is not being "thrown away" if a disease is killing you, only you can choose to throw it away, if you don't want to waste your life, then do something with it.


are you expecting these people to majically jump out of thier hospital beds and go hangliding for the last month of thier lives? hell no!

you have no idea what these people have to go through. they're trapped in a hospital, they have constant surgury, they're on medication (and they will be until they die) and they have no life. most dont even see the sunshine. so stop thinking so naive and start thinking about whats really happening regarding this issue.
heheh if i were to commit suicide it would probably involve a big explosion and flying limbs.and maybe other peoples flying limbs.oh yeah and lots and lots of drugs.


thats why your posting from the nut house.

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Posted by: Banshee Barron
there is always hope,


so, theres hope for a 78 year old man dieing of a fatal lung disease? is there hope for people suffering from AID's? is there hope for someone with a tumer the size of my fist? justified suicide means there is no hope for you, and you dont want to suffer/you dont want to make people you care suffer.


I still don't see the point of killing yourself. You may yet have some kind of purpose, no matter how minute. Let fate meet you where it chooses, not where you choose.


I second that, everyone is alive for a reason. You can either find it or live your life, either way, you will serve your purpose. There are just somethings that we can't understand until the very end, and if you cut your life short, you may have wasted your life. There are lives spent and then there are lives wasted. If I have to die, then I am going to spend my life, not throw it away.


thats not exactly the discussion. if your dieing, you should be able to quicken your death. thats not "thrwoing your life away" as you put it, because your life is getting thrown away anyways. your just making it faster so you suffer less. theres absolutely nothing wrong with preventing pain, now is there?


I'm tired, but I have a lot to say and not a lot of time to say it. I'll be back Sunday to adress the whole "pain" argument.

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Posted by: CabooseMoose7103
Ah but it is. It doesn't matter if you are dieing. All that means is that your deadline is coming up (please pardon the pun). If you are dieing, use the time you have left, do something with your life. If you're dieing that, means you have nothing to lose. Your life is not being "thrown away" if a disease is killing you, only you can choose to throw it away, if you don't want to waste your life, then do something with it.


are you expecting these people to majically jump out of thier hospital beds and go hangliding for the last month of thier lives? hell no!

you have no idea what these people have to go through. they're trapped in a hospital, they have constant surgury, they're on medication (and they will be until they die) and they have no life. most dont even see the sunshine. so stop thinking so naive and start thinking about whats really happening regarding this issue.
heheh if i were to commit suicide it would probably involve a big explosion and flying limbs.and maybe other peoples flying limbs.oh yeah and lots and lots of drugs.


thats why your posting from the nut house.
how did you know....?

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Posted by: Banshee Barron
Posted by: RandomlyIssued
Posted by: CabooseMoose7103
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Posted by: RandomlyIssued
Posted by: Banshee Barron
there is always hope,


so, theres hope for a 78 year old man dieing of a fatal lung disease? is there hope for people suffering from AID's? is there hope for someone with a tumer the size of my fist? justified suicide means there is no hope for you, and you dont want to suffer/you dont want to make people you care suffer.


I still don't see the point of killing yourself. You may yet have some kind of purpose, no matter how minute. Let fate meet you where it chooses, not where you choose.


I second that, everyone is alive for a reason. You can either find it or live your life, either way, you will serve your purpose. There are just somethings that we can't understand until the very end, and if you cut your life short, you may have wasted your life. There are lives spent and then there are lives wasted. If I have to die, then I am going to spend my life, not throw it away.


thats not exactly the discussion. if your dieing, you should be able to quicken your death. thats not "thrwoing your life away" as you put it, because your life is getting thrown away anyways. your just making it faster so you suffer less. theres absolutely nothing wrong with preventing pain, now is there?


I'm tired, but I have a lot to say and not a lot of time to say it. I'll be back Sunday to adress the whole "pain" argument.


meh, dont bother. it'll probably be dead by then.

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Im tired and goin to bed.

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Im tired and goin to bed.

Back to prove you wrong tomorrow.


ill be waiting......

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Revival time.

Now, I know someone (anonymous) who used to be suicidal. I don't mean immature attention seeking, I mean actually wanting to die because of a horrible series of events that nobody should have to go through. Of course I won't tell you what, in case that person reads this thread, and also because it isn't fair. So don't ask.

Now, the first world is obsessed with this idea of freedom. Freedom to do whatever we want. Freedom to do things which may not benefit us. For example: smoking, excessive alcohol, unprotected sex, and in this case, to take our own life. I suppose this could be considered impulsive human nature, to get what you want now without thinking about the future.

For most people these discussions are merely hypothetical, nobody knows what they would with 100% certainty until it happens to them. Myself, I am fairly adamant that I would never give up on life, it is not my way, but if something had happened to me like what happened to my friend, I might not be so sure.

This friend of mine was a very important person to me, I was the one this person came to when this person was upset, so I know the answers to "don't give up!" and such. "Don't waste your life" was followed by "My life was taken from me a long time ago, I just want to end the pain."

Nobody could imagine what I went through in that period in time, and I can't imagine what the person was going through. That just puts it in perspective.

The person was using a knife to cut wrists and throat, unsucessfully trying to commit suicide, it became fairly obvious to a lot of people what was going on. Of course, them being amazingly intelligent, they thought it would help to call this person names, and tell this person to stop attention seeking. This made it worse.

Now, it seems that all this pain this person had suffered would be enough for a justified suicide. But actually now we are good friends, the person is no longer suicidal, and the person feels like suicide is no longer necessary. I think that in a few years the person will look back and have bad memories about it, but that will be all.

The person can have a successful career now, marry and have kids, and effectively live happily ever after. The moral of this is do not give up.

Edit: I would just like to stress that I do not want any questions about the identity of the friend, you will notice I haven't included name, gender, age or if I even know them in real life.

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I can defenatly relate to that. I used to be the suicidal one. Heh except I already had people calling me names and throwing stuff at my head. So let me tell you people that no matter how small the reason might seem to you, remeber that this person is not you and that this reason might mean the world to them.

Oh and if you want to ask questions on what happen go ahed im over it. Some of you may consider it childish and imature but you have understand that this reason meant the world to me and I could not see life going on at that moment in time without it.

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The point is, you might be suffering now, but you might not tomorrow. If you kill yourself, that's it. No happy ending. Nothing.

There have been cases where patients suffering from terminal illnesses that were considering euthenasia have made a full recovery. We don't know how many people have died that might have got better.

I repeat: do not give up.

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Posted by: lobsterok
The point is, you might be suffering now, but you might not tomorrow. If you kill yourself, that's it. No happy ending. Nothing.

There have been cases where patients suffering from terminal illnesses that were considering euthenasia have made a full recovery. We don't know how many people have died that might have got better.

I repeat: do not give up.


are you asking a terminaly ill person to "hope" for a better tomorrow? thats just way to naive for my likings. these people have a 0% chance of survival, and they dont want to suffer. what part of that dont you understand?

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were not talking about suicide as in "OMIGOD MY BF LEFT MEH!!!! WAHAHAH!!" were talking about suicide as in "I dont want to have to feel my heart explode, and i dont want my family to watch me die painfully. i want to die now." thats not sick, stupid, childish, or any other name you can think up. thats heroic.

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Posted by: RandomlyIssued
were not talking about suicide as in "OMIGOD MY BF LEFT MEH!!!! WAHAHAH!!" were talking about suicide as in "I dont want to have to feel my heart explode, and i dont want my family to watch me die painfully. i want to die now." thats not sick, stupid, childish, or any other name you can think up. thats heroic.


I think we all know that nobody means "OMIGOD MY BF LEFT MEH!!!! WAHAHAH!!" however, in some cases death is certain yet sometimes it isn't. The line between them is very blurred.

As for dying painfully in front of your family, well there are such things as painkillers. If you don't think that your family should be there to comfort you when you die, tell them to leave, but I know that I would want my family to be there for me. After all, they are what I leave on this world, if nothing else. If a family member of mine was dying, I would comfort them without question, out of respect.

I would rather people say "He suffered much pain, but he fought bravely till the end" than "He gave up" about me after I died.

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Posted by: RandomlyIssued
were not talking about suicide as in "OMIGOD MY BF LEFT MEH!!!! WAHAHAH!!" were talking about suicide as in "I dont want to have to feel my heart explode, and i dont want my family to watch me die painfully. i want to die now." thats not sick, stupid, childish, or any other name you can think up. thats heroic.


You call us naive and childish, yet you call suicide heroic? Theres nothing heroic about either side to this. Suicide in this way is explainable, but like I said before, not justifiable.

I persoanlly known two people that were terminally ill and in great pain. Neither wanted to die. If they legalize active euthanasia, how long until it becomes mandatory? Because if they do, it will. How long before hospitals have 'selections' with their very own version of Menegele? No. Its wrong.



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Posted by: Texas Ben
If they legalize active euthanasia, how long until it becomes mandatory? Because if they do, it will. How long before hospitals have 'selections' with their very own version of Menegele? No. Its wrong.


This is the "slippery slope" argument. Once it becomes legal it could become mandatory, or it could be made legal to the elderly, disabled, or depressed.

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Hey lobsterok... why are you complaining?

We're arguing on the same side...

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I wasn't arguing, if anything I was extending... kind of.

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were not talking about suicide as in "OMIGOD MY BF LEFT MEH!!!! WAHAHAH!!" were talking about suicide as in "I dont want to have to feel my heart explode, and i dont want my family to watch me die painfully. i want to die now." thats not sick, stupid, childish, or any other name you can think up. thats heroic.


You call us naive and childish, yet you call suicide heroic? Theres nothing heroic about either side to this. Suicide in this way is explainable, but like I said before, not justifiable.

I persoanlly known two people that were terminally ill and in great pain. Neither wanted to die. If they legalize active euthanasia, how long until it becomes mandatory? Because if they do, it will. How long before hospitals have 'selections' with their very own version of Menegele? No. Its wrong.



ok, what? mandatory? who said mandatory?

i think we need some clarification.


A 78 year old man is ending his life early so he doesnt have to suffer in his old age from a disease that will kill him slowly and painfully. he's seen everything he wanted to, hes done everything hes wanted to, and now hes ready to end his life. Wrong? tell me what exactly is wrong about that?

and if theres a 16 year old girl dieing of a tumar that cant be healed, she should have the same right to die.

im not saying "Kill off all the terminally ill people!!" im saying they have the right to not suffer, so let them end thier lives.

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Posted by: RandomlyIssued
ok, what? mandatory? who said mandatory?


Like I keep saying, if it is made legal with certain restrictions, those restrictions will eventually decay. Look at contraception. Originally it was only given married couples and was called family planning instead of family prevention. Nowadays kids can get contraception and go -blam!- without a care, with the occasional "accident" which ruins their lives. Anyway, that's not the point.


Posted by: RandomlyIssued
A 78 year old man is ending his life early so he doesnt have to suffer in his old age from a disease that will kill him slowly and painfully. he's seen everything he wanted to, hes done everything hes wanted to, and now hes ready to end his life. Wrong? tell me what exactly is wrong about that?

and if theres a 16 year old girl dieing of a tumar that cant be healed, she should have the same right to die.


What if they would have survived. There may not be much chance, but there is almost always chance. Or what if a cure is invented the day after they die?


Posted by: RandomlyIssued
im not saying "Kill off all the terminally ill people!!" im saying they have the right to not suffer, so let them end thier lives.


The two are almost identical, except in the latter they have the choice. That just means some die instead of all. With the "slippery slope" argument that I keep rambling on about, that isn't very reassuring.

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Posted by: RandomlyIssued
Posted by: lobsterok
The point is, you might be suffering now, but you might not tomorrow. If you kill yourself, that's it. No happy ending. Nothing.

There have been cases where patients suffering from terminal illnesses that were considering euthenasia have made a full recovery. We don't know how many people have died that might have got better.

I repeat: do not give up.


are you asking a terminaly ill person to "hope" for a better tomorrow? thats just way to naive for my likings. these people have a 0% chance of survival, and they dont want to suffer. what part of that dont you understand?


We all have a 0% chance of survival. Its just a mater of time. As we speek/type we are dying.

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