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Posted by: RandomlyIssued
Suicide isnt sex. teens dont crave suicide, so that example is way, way off. Sex is a lust, suicide is an end.
Posted by: lobsterok
that isn't the point
so why bring it up?
Posted by: RandomlyIssued
i dont knw where you live, but here on earth, 78 year old men dont just suddenly live another 78 years, tumers dont majically shrink to nothing, and cancer doesnt just stop. these people are going to die, no matter how much hope you have in them. ive gone over this.
Posted by: lobsterok
Well of course everyone is going to die. However, you can't completely rule out medical progress. People who would have died 10 years ago can now be saved, and treatment isn't always implemented slowly. You could be euthenased the day before new treatment is implemented. It might not be "majically" curing, but it does happen.
no, it doesnt happen often at all. probably about 3 every 200 people who are terminally ill (hence the term terminally). a 17 year old boy in my school just randomly had heart failure and died. your amazing "Medical progress" gave him 30 years to live before he had problems. they also said he'd get through the operation. he didnt.
Medical science isnt as advanced as you'de like it to be. the people being referred to are definatly going to die. there is no hope for gods sake so stop saying there is. your acting like a child.
As I said, do you want to be remembered for being brave or for giving up. You only die once. Everyone dreams of dying heroically, saving a child from a burning building or something. Suicide is far from heroic. I would call it cowardly.
we all know what youde call it. i really dont think the people making the decision really care though.
The two are almost identical, except in the latter they have the choice. That just means some die instead of all. With the "slippery slope" argument that I keep rambling on about, that isn't very reassuring.
Posted by: RandomlyIssued
oh! so people should suffer and die because you dont find it reassuring that they want to end the pain!
Posted by: lobsterok
Like I keep saying you should never give up, no amount of pain would make me take the coward's way out.
like I keep saying, you have no -blam!- ing idea what kind of pain these people go through. not only do they know thier going to die, and they feel it happen very slowly and painfully. the decision to end all the suffering should be the decision of the victim, not the spectators.
your opinion of "the cowards way out" is very strange, by the way. you say its cowardous to end life early. i say its cowardous to take innocent people with you. i really cant see suicide as a cowards way out because it takes more guts to do it than it does to kill another person.
Posted by: RandomlyIssued
heres a tissue, because legaly or not, people are still going to do it. i support thier decision because life isnt worth living when you spend the rest of it lieing in bed waiting for it to end.
Posted by: lobsterok
I can't stop people from breaking the law, but I can help to prevent the law from changing. People will always break the law, and I condemn them.
Life is always worth living. At least as far as this argument is concerned.
as far as this arguments concerned? what the hell are you talking about? its as far as you're concerned. life isnt worth living when your too ill to do anything but sleep. i find it very offensive that your saying all dieing people in the world have something to look forward to in life, because they dont. that right there is false hope, and that doesn help anybody. if people want to die, they should, and no one else should be able to make that decision for them.
Posted by: RandomlyIssued
and how are the two i mentioned at all the same? freedom of choice vs. dictatorship. theres a slight difference there.
Posted by: lobsterok
You misinterpreted that. I was saying that, although the principles are different, the end results are similar.
no, because the ones who chose to live by your principals die from thier desease, and the ones who dont want to give in to thier illness get to skip through the painful crap that nobody on this planet should ever experience.
your views are very, very naive.
[Edited on 1/30/2005 10:07:41 AM]