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Posted by: MakaVeli4LIfe1
Halo 2 will be perfect

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everyone keeps arguing about that one guy in the background, is he real and covered in smoke and dust, or is he a shadow cast from the far right? i dont know why he cant just be a cloaked guy? maybe he just finished firing and is re-cloaking. also the plasma pistol shots in the e3 video look NOTHING like the green bolts in this picture


Dude, I agree with you, but if it wasnt as bright it might match alittle bit, and what of the swirrling tail, that cant be from such a fast projectile as the one from the plasma pistol.

  • 04.13.2004 4:22 PM PDT
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I won't even argue about that, the debris is really hampering the view on that guy to make out anything about him.

  • 04.13.2004 4:25 PM PDT

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Wow... I want to be the first non-bungie person to play this game! LITTLE PEOPLE FIRST!

The green things look cool... Plasma, maybe? If it is, its changed from the Halo 2 Demo released last year.... and the way so many are flying at once, it seems to me that it might be some high rate-of-fire plasma weapon. Now that would be damn cool.

Also, looks like its a "Red vs. Sage" game... which is going to be damn cool, cause I'd rather be Sage (or Black, if possible) in a team MP game.

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Does the SMG look a little small for MC's hands to anyone or is it just me?

  • 04.13.2004 5:00 PM PDT
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yallzoom in on the left of the shadow in the background. It look like one of those green blobs has hit the wall , it look kinda electric. and the warthog has the guass rifle on it.

[Edited on 4/13/2004 5:09:18 PM]

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Posted by: RotateMan
everyone keeps arguing about that one guy in the background, is he real and covered in smoke and dust, or is he a shadow cast from the far right? i dont know why he cant just be a cloaked guy? maybe he just finished firing and is re-cloaking. also the plasma pistol shots in the e3 video look NOTHING like the green bolts in this picture


Or perhaps he's cloaked, but casts a shadow? That would be interesting. And it would make treks across blood gulch more interesting, sticking to shadows and such.

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yea i think it is a cloak. zoom in and look at his right knee. in halo if you got shot that part came visible. he could have been shot, or hit something.Or recloaking after moving.

[Edited on 4/13/2004 5:21:55 PM]

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I hope that noone else has brought this up. For all of you that have read First Strike, doesn't this scene almost remind you of the tunnels that the Spartans found on Reach under the ONI facility? No where on the book does it say that it takes place before Halo 2, so maybe the next game starts off where Halo 1 ends, with the MC in the Longsword. How else, short of including the book with every Halo 2 purchase, could Bungie fill in that many gaps in the storyline? And to support my idea is the fact that Bungie has said before that you don't spend that much time on Earth, and that the announcement trailer (where the MC jumps out of the space station, for those who don't know) is not the openeing cutscene, therefore there is at least one level before that.

  • 04.13.2004 5:40 PM PDT
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Hey everyone, visit this page to have most of your questions answered about this new Halo 2 picture.

http://members.cox.net/xboxbuddy/Halo2_scrn03.htm

Also, settle down everyone, take a break and go play Halo, and maybe when you come back another screenshot will have been released for everyone to argue about.

  • 04.13.2004 5:41 PM PDT
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The other Spartan is red not a shadow. I wonder if the two red guys and the green guys are on the same team?

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Posted by: MakaVeli4LIfe1
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I hope that noone else has brought this up. For all of you that have read First Strike, doesn't this scene almost remind you of the tunnels that the Spartans found on Reach under the ONI facility? No where on the book does it say that it takes place before Halo 2, so maybe the next game starts off where Halo 1 ends, with the MC in the Longsword. How else, short of including the book with every Halo 2 purchase, could Bungie fill in that many gaps in the storyline? And to support my idea is the fact that Bungie has said before that you don't spend that much time on Earth, and that the announcement trailer (where the MC jumps out of the space station, for those who don't know) is not the openeing cutscene, therefore there is at least one level before that.


Man........ Good theroy !!!! Thats probaly right, but its not the mine shafts because they had the symbols on the walls, so wouldnt you think they would be completely incased in the metal if they were the bases tunnels ? But I could be wrong, and I probaly am. That would be great to play !!!!

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But you can see the wall behind him.

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I KNOW WHAT THE CASE IS WITH THAT MASTER CHIEF !!!!!!

He must be ............ a -blam!- robot !

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Posted by: SeveredSquirrel
Does the SMG look a little small for MC's hands to anyone or is it just me?


I noticed that too. Maybe its a new gun. I also looks like his hand is not really gripping the gun.




[Edited on 4/13/2004 6:24:33 PM]

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Posted by: egassler
Hey everyone, visit this page to have most of your questions answered about this new Halo 2 picture.

http://members.cox.net/xboxbuddy/Halo2_scrn03.htm

Also, settle down everyone, take a break and go play Halo, and maybe when you come back another screenshot will have been released for everyone to argue about.


That doesn't answer our questions. It doesn't even come close to answering our questions. That simply puts on display yet another person's opinions. Only bungie can answer our questions and (forgive me if I'm mistaken) I doubt that bungie's analysis would consist of a photoshopped screenshot.

  • 04.13.2004 7:20 PM PDT
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I love new screenshots! huzzah! as soon as they come out, they become my new desktop! :) thank you Bungie, you bring variety to a dull and dreary existence. ;)

  • 04.13.2004 7:28 PM PDT
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I'm actually reposting this to a more suitable topic (this one):

I just saw the new Halo 2 screenshot (hours after everyone else, I'm sure, due to the time difference here on the other side of the freaking globe). It clearly shows the possibility of holding two different weapons being held at once.

Great, cool, but doesn't this kind of defeat at least half of the tactical component that was so defining of Halo: Combat Evolved? I'm referring to having to pick which two weapons the players chooses to carry at once carefully. Now, while I am sure there still exists some strategy in choosing which two weapons to carry, there is no longer any timing involved--say, carrying a Convenant Assault Rifle to drain shields and stun, and then finishing off a target with an assault rifle or pistol.

Perhaps the shot was for multiplayer mode only, which, featuring a much more fast-paced type of skirmish gameplay, could benefit more greatly from such a feature?

I should probably mention that I for one am not a big John Woo fan. I appreciated how Halo: Combat Evolved had litttle instances of realism in it in addition to the more comic-like action elements involved. Holding two weapons and unleashing the Matrix doesn't seem like the greatest image in the world to me; seems a little tacky, even.

But hey, that's not to say it couldn't work for certain--I liked holding the two pistols in Max Payne games for certain reasons, perhaps Bungie seriously has a plan for the dual-wielding feature it just has not anounced or revealed yet?

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Yea great MP shot. Ive been waiting for this game since it was announced. Halo 2 is gona be an awesome experience. Thank you Bungie for putting the time and effort, to make, Halo 2 the best it can be.

  • 04.13.2004 7:33 PM PDT
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i think this is the best screenshot yet

  • 04.13.2004 7:35 PM PDT
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This screenshot didn't really satisfy my needs. I want another something!

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volucritas, I hear you man...but fear not! In the past weekly updates...Frankie has commented on this a few times. He says that at first, that's exactly what having two weapons did, ruin that balance and strategy....but they've balanced the dual-wielding....so that it's fair. What that means I'm not exactly sure....but I have faith that Bungie wouldn't put in an option if it compromised the core gameplay of a game. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

  • 04.13.2004 8:04 PM PDT
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i dont know if someone already said this but i zoomed in on the guy in the back and it looks like the weapon in his right hand is a sub machine gun. dont know whats in his left hand. what is that green/blue orb thing in the air by him

  • 04.13.2004 8:17 PM PDT
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Thanks, jharbst, that helps to assuage some of my worries (I worry much). As for what the guy in the back is holding, I believe that in the image the Spartan in the read racing the right is holding only one weapon--the rifle. His left hand seems to be reaching slightly awkwardly under the barrel towards the grip.

  • 04.13.2004 8:26 PM PDT
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You guys have all argued that the non-human rounds flying about in the screenshot are either a reiteration of the rounds fired from a Plasma Pistol, a Covenant Sniper Rifle, or a Needler. You've cited good evidence, and have presented your arguments well.

I don't think it's any of those.

Allow me to rule out the Cov Sniper Rifle, and Needler first.

It is unlikely it is a Covenant Sniper Rifle - the rate of fire (even for two or three such weapons, which I doubt would spawn quickly) for a long-range, high damage, weapon would have to be quite low for the purpose of play balancing. Besides that, we can sort of assume that the confined spaces of a tunnel discourage any sort of precision shooting a la sniping.

It is unlikely that these rounds have been discharged from a Needler, despite the similarity in the controls of the Needles, and these glowing orbs. A Needler fires some sort pinkish purple (the were still pinking purple in the previous screenshot) shard that explodes after a set amount of time, or after anchoring itself in a target. This round balls appear to have no pointed end with which to attach and then anchor. They do not appear to change course erratically, as the Needles have been known to do, nor do they exemplify any element of the target-seeking properties of the Needler. The speculation for these rounds being a Needler is sound - the premise is that Frankie stated that the weapon had been significantly "beefed up" I believe was the term, but that doesn't necessarily imply a coloration and design change, it implies a properties change, like higher rate of fire, greater range, more rounds per magazine, or more damage.

Personally, I believe the weapon discharging those rounds is clearly a high-volume, high rate-of-fire, weapon akin to the Plasma Rifle of Halo, but with diminished accuracy (and likely, damage). We know that there's still a lot we don't know about yet, including at least one Alien Race / Bad Guy who we have never seen, and has only been mentioned in ONE of Frankie's weekly updates. Also mentioned in a weekly update was an alien weapon with a scope that we had seen before and didn't realize it (the two Elite w/Red Guns picture) and one more brand-spankin new weapon that we had never heard, talked, read about or had seen before. I'm inclined to believe that those rounds are flying from said weapon, or possibly a vehicle weapon a la a Covenant LAV. All that supports at the very least the potential for a rapid-fire, unknown plasma/alien based weapon.

Evidence in the screenshot supports the probability of this. It would take concentrated effort to aim that poorly with a plasma pistol. I've been teaching a lot of newbies lately, and even they know that the damn thing will fire in a straight line extremely quickly if they wiggle their little pinkies just right. To be in the middle of a fight (and Bungie pruports to take these shots from actually staff matchups, which they would take "seriously"), and aim that badly ON PURPOSE is not only embarassing, it's ridiculous. The potential of a player strafing across the hallway and blasting at random was cited, but I disagree with this as well. Any sort of side to side strafing and firing of the Plasma pistol, no matter how randomly accentuated, would normally lead to some of linear quality to the tracking of the discharged rounds, much like that of a SAW. The positioning of these projectiles suggests some sort of recoil, and it becomes difficult to establish one linear-travel line of fire in the screenshot, much less two or three, lessening the probability that it is multiple plasma pistols firing.

I'm disinclined to think that this screenshot is of a game that represents Team Adversarial Play in the classic Red Vs. Blue sense, also excluding a three- or four- team formula simply because it's not yet been discussed and I'm ready to rule it out if Bungie hasn't hinted at it yet.

There's definitely a team element to this, and judging from the variety of the "teams " represented here (if we are to truly correspond the disparance of coloring to a disparity in allegiance), and the lack of any clear target on behalf of any of the characters on screen, we have to explore other options. Possibly an expanded four player co-operative mode, or, the summation many people have made, it is an MP Spartan vs. Elite game. This would not surprise me very much, because this is a much sought after feature, the existence of which Bungie has alluded to for almost two years.

The first option would seem to suggest the possibility for user-created "skins", a likelihood I doubt, but would deeply admire and adore. Operation Tsunami (LIVE 3.0) is rumored to include "title-managed online content", which would allow things like user-created "skins", more appropriately color configurations, to quickly mvoe from box to box via simple, small (in kb) things like Data files. This suggest that team A, essentially a group of "Friends" on Xbox Live, got together and chose their own color scheme (olive & cobalt), while another group, Team B, got together and chose some sort of Reddish configuration. Two members of each team are participating in some sort of Four-Player online co-operative mission, where they all work as a team, hence the disparity of color.

The second option, which, incidentally, seems much more likely, is that it is Spartans vs. Elites, the individuals of each side free to choose whatever coloration for their character they like. E.g., an Elite player could choose the standard blue elite, the more nifty grayish-black elite, the red-maroon Elite, or any number of other cool skins/configurations for the elite player, since you're team would be easily identifiable by their... well... species.

That's my speculation for now.

  • 04.14.2004 2:44 AM PDT