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Posted by: Liton
yes, welll sorta..

It's imposible to go back in time, but possible to go into the future by slowing your molecules without freezing yourself.

Explain. It sounds like Time Dilation again. A common mistake.

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Posted by: Liton
yes, welll sorta..

It's imposible to go back in time, but possible to go into the future by slowing your molecules without freezing yourself.

Do you mean like those movies about cavemen being frozen until someone finds them and thaws them out? That isn't time travel, it's preservation.

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Posted by: Liton
yes, welll sorta..

It's imposible to go back in time, but possible to go into the future by slowing your molecules without freezing yourself.

Explain. It sounds like Time Dilation again. A common mistake.


I edited it to make more sense.

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It's really more of an attempt at artificial Time Dilation. It produces the same effect; the illusion of time travel to the subject.

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yes, welll sorta..

It's imposible to go back in time, but possible to go into the future by slowing your molecules without freezing yourself.

Explain. It sounds like Time Dilation again. A common mistake.


I edited it to make more sense.

Yup. That's dilation, not travel.

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yes, welll sorta..

It's imposible to go back in time, but possible to go into the future by slowing your molecules without freezing yourself.

Do you mean like those movies about cavemen being frozen until someone finds them and thaws them out? That isn't time travel, it's preservation.


no, and yes.

Like I said, sorta. Time doesn't really exist, all there is is the present, but by slowing your molecules everything is much faster and makes the present farther in the future for you, and it will be like seconds.

oh, If what I said before doesn't help explain why there can't be past travel, here's proof: If there was, someone from the future would have come to this time.

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Posted by: Liton
yes, welll sorta..

It's imposible to go back in time, but possible to go into the future by slowing your molecules without freezing yourself.

Then sleeping would be time travel.

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I wish there was a group for discussions like this...

*cough* *wink* *cough* *cough*

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yes, welll sorta..

It's imposible to go back in time, but possible to go into the future by slowing your molecules without freezing yourself.

Explain. It sounds like Time Dilation again. A common mistake.


I edited it to make more sense.

Yup. That's dilation, not travel.


oh, ok then there is not time travel, since the past doesn't exist and the future hasn't happened.

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So, you too are saying that time is only relative.

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If someone were to travel into the past, would they have knowledge of doing so? If not, they wouldn't be able to do anything differently, and live the exact same way they did before.

For that harry potter theory,
I highly doubt that a clone of ones self would be created if they travelled back in time...

Wait... The past is nonexistant isn't it.
UNLESS! (The geek who runs the universe) Created some kind of 'storage' dimension where the past is all kept.

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We are going into the future right now, but like I said, there is only present, nothing else.

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If someone were to travel into the past, would they have knowledge of doing so? If not, they wouldn't be able to do anything differently, and live the exact same way they did before.

For that harry potter theory,
I highly doubt that a clone of ones self would be created if they travelled back in time...

Nothing is being created, per se, only moved.

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If someone were to travel into the past, would they have knowledge of doing so? If not, they wouldn't be able to do anything differently, and live the exact same way they did before.

For that harry potter theory,
I highly doubt that a clone of ones self would be created if they travelled back in time...

Nothing is being created, per se, only moved.


But if they were only moved, why would there be two people in the past (as in the example)?

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Posted by: Ender
So, you too are saying that time is only relative.


it's hard to explain, but it's the truth. Look at time as artificial, there is no past. Just focus at the concept of time, and exentually, the intelligent, will understand it is purely manmade, there is no past, just something that hapened, there is just movement.

It's not a theory, it's a fact.

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Posted by: Ender
Posted by: Mike_100
If someone were to travel into the past, would they have knowledge of doing so? If not, they wouldn't be able to do anything differently, and live the exact same way they did before.

For that harry potter theory,
I highly doubt that a clone of ones self would be created if they travelled back in time...

Nothing is being created, per se, only moved.
exactly

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Perhaps time is non-existent, as well as life. Perhaps you are all an illusion in my head, and my brain is set to devise scenarios, schemes, dialogue, environment, in a rational way. In that case, all of this is a dream, none of you exist, and I shall wake up to a reality that I cannot fathom, if such is meant to happen.

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People think of vertical time, which isn't correct, they think of past(bottom) present(middle) future(top)

But the truth is horrizontal, just the pressent, filled with events.

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Posted by: Liton
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So, you too are saying that time is only relative.


it's hard to explain, but it's the truth. Look at time as artificial, there is no past. Just focus at the concept of time, and exentually, the intelligent, will understand it is purely manmade, there is no past, just something that hapened, there is just movement.

It's not a theory, it's a fact.

I have three words for you. Zeno of Elea. Zeno was a greek philosopher and mathematician in ancient greece. He stated that travel through time is nonexistant. That there is only ever one point in time at any given moment. Take this for example:

An arrow is released into the air toward a tree. Now stop time. The arrow is in one place. It is always a measurable distance from the tree. The arrow is always in one place in space and time.

Now, he is correct. You're trying to take it one step further by saying that it was never in a different spot than what it is currently in. However, you're acting as if time is a spacial dimension(length, width, height, etc.), however, time is a temporal dimension that is not linear as spacial dimensions are. It follows different rules. As space is always measured in positive numbers, but time can be measured in negatives because it has passed and is no longer in the present.

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I actually honestly believed that I was the only real thing in the universe for two whole days. Then I watched the Matrix again and said "nah".

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Posted by: Liton
People think of vertical time, which isn't correct, they think of past(bottom) present(middle) future(top)

But the truth is horrizontal, just the pressent, filled with events.

Here is where everyone makes a mistake. Time cannot be viewed in spacial dimensions. Vertical, horizontal, whatever. We, as humans, are forced to view it that way because we cannot perceive things any other way.

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So, you too are saying that time is only relative.


it's hard to explain, but it's the truth. Look at time as artificial, there is no past. Just focus at the concept of time, and exentually, the intelligent, will understand it is purely manmade, there is no past, just something that hapened, there is just movement.

It's not a theory, it's a fact.

I have three words for you. Zeno of Elea. Zeno was a greek philosopher and mathematician in ancient greece. He stated that travel through time is nonexistant. That there is only ever one point in time at any given moment. Take this for example:

An arrow is released into the air toward a tree. Now stop time. The arrow is in one place. It is always a measurable distance from the tree. The arrow is always in one place in space and time.

Now, he is correct. You're trying to take it one step further by saying that it was never in a different spot than what it is currently in. However, you're acting as if time is a spacial dimension(length, width, height, etc.), however, time is a temporal dimension that is not linear as spacial dimensions are. It follows different rules. As space is always measured in positive numbers, but time can be measured in negatives because it has passed and is no longer in the present.


well, yes, let me correct myself, the past is existant, but untouchable, yet in reality there is no trace to it, except for the theory of wormholes, which is like a chute in time, I beleive if there is any past travel, that's it.

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I created a group for these kinds of discussions. I call it The Observers.

If you didn't notice the first two links, here's another:
http://www.bungie.net/fanclub/42639/Group/GroupHome.aspx

I chose a name similar to Eagle's group because they are both regarding theories, just of different natures.

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Posted by: Ender
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People think of vertical time, which isn't correct, they think of past(bottom) present(middle) future(top)

But the truth is horrizontal, just the pressent, filled with events.

Here is where everyone makes a mistake. Time cannot be viewed in spacial dimensions. Vertical, horizontal, whatever. We, as humans, are forced to view it that way because we cannot perceive things any other way.


that's why it's hard for me to explain, human minds can't handle the full explenation at once.

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I joined your group please accept.

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