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What post were you replying to?

Yeah! First on 16!!!

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  • 02.20.2005 7:57 PM PDT
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It doesnt talk about High Cjarity in first strike does it?

I dont know what you're talking about!

  • 02.20.2005 8:09 PM PDT

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Posted by: Captain Obvious
It doesnt talk about High Cjarity in first strike does it?

I dont know what you're talking about!

Yeah, Final chapter. Truth speaks to Tartarus. Short chapter but leads directly into Halo 2,

Well, it's probably late to help add or clear any theories. But since it's being mentioned...

The thing is you may have to look in the actual storylines of what's already been deduced.. books, games etc. But I would have to agree with mostly everyone else so far, that they each have their own homeworld.
The covenant, is a collection of species that have joined (some by force) in order to acheive a goal.
The prophets (hierarchs), I assume, are the founders of the Covenant, thus there status within the covenant. The Elite Commander, when he met with the Heirarchs, mentioned word of a Council, during the scene in Halo 2 which the Elites were removed from the Honor Guards. I assumed he ment a council of Elites. This could mean that the council represents the rulling body of Elites. If the Elites have their own form of government or leardership, perhaps they exist seperatly from the other creatures within the Covenant.
I don't know why this particular scene strikes me, but the mention of a council of Elites adds much to the storyline's background. This means that the council is aware that the Elites are no longer the favorites of the prophets (Hierarchs). This could also mean that there has been prior bad blood with the Elites and prophets.

Anywhoo... My two cents.

  • 02.20.2005 8:44 PM PDT
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While I already have hammered out most of the details of this story, I am still quite interested in what you guys are expecting and what you feel is going to happen with the story.

...blargh...

Chapter 10 is looking good so far, but its going to be a while before I can finish it off. Look for it late Monday evening, or even really early Tuesday morning.

  • 02.20.2005 8:57 PM PDT
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Hmm, well in retrospect that is only waiting a few extra hours for Chapter 10, so i suppose I can take it. Also I would like to express my relief that you will not be ending this story any time soon, as we are just barely halfway, judging from your estimates of its length Mr. Clark.

  • 02.21.2005 1:38 AM PDT
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Just take it easy Mr_Clark, I'l wait patiently.............waiting.

  • 02.21.2005 2:04 AM PDT
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My wifes cuzin is having her baby today or tomorow, I know now that I will be sitting in a hospital for who knows how long...but I printed out your whole story up to Chapter 9 and am looking forward to reading it in the waiting room. I just finnished reading first strike and need more, Ive heard good things about your book so far, just hope the baby takes its time so I can really get into it.

I dont know what you have wrote about yet at all but I have a sugestion (A level that I think will actualy be in H3) but if you want it you'll have to MP me for it...too meny eyes watching in here.

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  • 02.21.2005 2:52 AM PDT
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In reference to soulguard: I don't think that there is a seperate council for the elites, when you see the intro movie in Halo 2 you see some elites with big helmets I think they are the councilors.
I think that there is a council that has high members of every species that will represent their own race.

By the way, congratulations EliteSlapPer.

  • 02.21.2005 4:22 AM PDT
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Posted by: Scorptank
In reference to soulguard: I don't think that there is a seperate council for the elites, when you see the intro movie in Halo 2 you see some elites with big helmets I think they are the councilors.
I think that there is a council that has high members of every species that will represent their own race.


No one can say for a certainty, but I agree with Soulgaurd on this issue. I don't believe, at least from reading the books and from the game, that the grunts, jackals, drones and hunters hold much rank within the covenant.

  • 02.21.2005 6:16 AM PDT
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Alright, maybe not the Jackals, Grunts, Drones and Hunters.
But Jackals, Grunts and Drones never had any status within the Covenant.
As for the Hunters; they were tamed so I guess that they are working animals for the Covenant like horses were for the Humans.

  • 02.21.2005 6:48 AM PDT
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  • 02.21.2005 7:41 AM PDT
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  • 02.21.2005 7:42 AM PDT
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copiers your -blam!- plp

  • 02.21.2005 7:43 AM PDT
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I will always place the mission first.
I will never accept defeat.
I will never quit.
I will never leave a fallen comrade.

Only elites are council members. I agree they use the hunters like animals, but i think they have respect for them.

  • 02.21.2005 7:52 AM PDT
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Wow, that was obnoxious.... ^

Anyways, I think the scene in the Mausoleum of the Arbiters gives a lot of information in only a few lines. "The taming of the Hunters, The Grunt Rebellion!" Take from it what you will. I know for a fact the Grunts have their own planet, an ice world where they breathe methane.


Posted by: Prowlaz
Yeah even though i havent read the books. Its pretty sertain just from playing the game that they never had any status. And hunters are moree like ANIMALS to the covenant. They have NO STATUS. Elites and Prophets aree really the only ones with allot of power.

Also too put it another way:
If every single race of the Covenant got into a war who do you think would win? Prophets seem more as a leader type figgure and i think if the elites wanted too they could kill them off easy. Grunts aree too small and ensignificant. Jackels are UGLY BABYS. Brutes and elites would be the races that would prevail in an all out war. I think brutes actually have an advantage. I mean elites die allloott easyer than brutes do.


The Elites would definetely win. They would be at a disadvantage in hand to hand combat, but they are much smarter and more tactical, leading me to believe they would prevail.

  • 02.21.2005 8:01 AM PDT

I share pies.

i agree the guy who said WAY is an idiot...
Pm me next chapter
i've read sir_brilliont he sucks reallly badly mr_clark actually bothers to put them into paragraphs......
not to mention un-bigheaded

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  • 02.21.2005 8:24 AM PDT

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Scorptank: I Agree fully with the Hunters, Jackels, Grunts, and Drones having no place. Like the hunters, they were probably the conqured species during the earlier years of the of the covenant. And you make a strong point with the Helmeted Elites at the Generals (Arbitors) debriefing in the opening scene. But after a few times watching that scene I gathered that they were merely Representatives; a bunch of Elites who keep tabs on the prophets on behalf of the council. But you do open a good point. More mystery I suppose.
But to add to my earlier post...{I hate to speculate, but oh well, these are theories.}

After thinking on it more, it looks like the Grunts, Jackels, Hunters and Drones were all subdued and forced into the covenant... from what I've recalled there hasn't been much mention of their group leadership. When the civil war began, the Grunts, Drones, Hunters and Jackels all took sides, collectively aboard High Charity. To add to this theory, I would have to associate that perhaps some of these species were either conqured by a certain group OR they co-inhabitated with them.
Elites = Gruntes and Hunters
Brutes = Jackels and Drones
This "teaming up by default" adds a little more complexity to the issue. We know that the Hunters were "tamed" by the Elites {forget which book, or were I read this}, so they could have had there own world or coexisted with the elites as Wild animals. The grunts also seem to naturally follow the Elites (althought sometimes hesitantly). Because of their "Unigue" breathing enviornment, perhaps they have their own world. It is possible that the Elites homeworld has Methane lakes in which the grunts live, but doubtful, Methane is a gas, and the gravity of a planet would have to be tremendous in order for it to be seperated from Oxygen. And I believe "The Flood" makes a reference to the Grunt Homeworld. They do breath Methane, right?
Perhaps the Jackels and Drones coexisted with the Brutes or were conqured by them. I might be thinking too much, but perhaps there are only 4 worlds. The elites, the prophets, the Grutns, and the Brutes... perhaps.

This is a lot to take in... sorry for the length.

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Oh yeah, and LE: Conan the Barbarian ??? ;)

  • 02.21.2005 8:58 AM PDT
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joex person what the hell is wrong with you wasting all that space with such usless posts all you need to do is say i think sir brilliant is better thats fine every one is entitled to their own opinion but going an about that are you just obnoxious stupid or both? i mean what is wrong with you?

anyway i think that mr c is much better too the content is better the spelling is better the paragraphing is better the content is more mature

i mean we so far were pretty mature in our posts but of course you joexxx55 had to ruin that diddnt you if your going to be that stupid DONT POST

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  • 02.21.2005 8:59 AM PDT

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copiers your -blam!- plp


dud u need to lern good reading i missed lunchagain and that is rare
sry for my spelling

  • 02.21.2005 9:28 AM PDT
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No worries everyone, I PM'd JoeXXX and I believe the situation has been rectified.

The Elites were still somewhat separate from the Prophets, I think they've always never really trusted one another. If you remember there are Council members of the Elites, and the Brutes murder them. There's probably a High Council back on their homeworld, so it'll be interesting what they'll decide to do once word reaches them of the Prophets betrayal.

  • 02.21.2005 10:30 AM PDT
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Wow, that's a pretty good theory, Soulguard.
And I think it might be true.
But I think the teaming-up thing is just because the Jackals, Grunts, Drones pick the side that they believe is the strongest.
I can't argue with you about the Hunters; I agree.

  • 02.21.2005 11:16 AM PDT
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i have to say soulguard thats an interesting theory i agree with you
i belive the covenant is rather like the un with the folks on high charity being the representitives and the prophets of truth mercy and regret were like the secutary genral and his advisers or what ever

scorp tank your theory about the grunts and jackles joining the strongest side may be true but i belive that its to do with the amount of rivalry between the two species those of you who have read the books should know this the grunts are pretty much how to put this errr scared of the elites but they see themselves superior to jackles and the jackles see themselves as superior to grunts i belive the jackles joined the brutes side because they wanted to kill of all the grunts or gas suckers as they call them and the grunts see this as an oppertunity to kill of the jackles

p.s sorry fo the spelling


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I think the hunters teamed with the elites because they are the only ones who were strong enough to best them.
They already have a warrior mentality thats why they took orders from them in the first place. In a word they respect them.
Also the Grunts probably allied with the elites because they would not treat them as harshley as brutes would.

  • 02.21.2005 2:01 PM PDT