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Is chapter 11 coming out tomorro? Please stop double posting joexxx55.

  • 02.25.2005 4:02 PM PDT
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i belive sir brilliant may be right but why would you put up 300 geosyncrit platforms and not arm all of them with a mac gun to me that would be a flw that the covent could easily see and they would just go inbetwwent the gaps in the mac guns. Thats why i belive that all platforms are carrying a mac gun

  • 02.25.2005 4:29 PM PDT
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hooray! comp sorted out - ive got the ilovebees files up and running! and everything is right in the jungle. and better still i didnt get caught or screwed over at school, although i did have to tamper with the filter a little to get on the site. but thats not saying much; you cant even get on a site about kenyan safaris or anything.

btw halo3plzzz, i translated that conversation - the wierd one that you didnt get. ill PM it to you - you better appreciate it! i listened to eps 1 to 13 of ilovebees while translated it it took me that long! ;) jking, i was bored anyways. if anyone else wants it, just ask...

please, i need to feel like i have friends

  • 02.25.2005 4:49 PM PDT
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The Silky Carp I'd very much appreciate that, thank you. I'll add it to the text file I have and re-upload it.

joexxx55 you're wrong as usual. All of the stations orbiting earth are armed with a MAC gun capable of "putting a round clean through a Covenant capital ship."

All of the people that think Earth is very much screwed are out of their minds. It's simple math. Reach had only 15 orbiting MAC guns and was able to hold off a Covenant invasion of over 150 ships. The only reason they even lost the space battle is because the Covenant were able to use ground troops to take out the generators on the planet itself. Now if you think about it, the equation is this:

150``````````x
___```=`` ___

15``````````300

A little cross multiplying:

15x = 45,000
÷15

x = 3,000

That means Earth can hold off a fleet of 3,000 Covenant ships. I think we're well protected.



[Edited on 2/25/2005 5:08:59 PM]

  • 02.25.2005 5:05 PM PDT
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i just sent off the PM, it should be in your box soon.

btw, reach had 20 MAC guns, and 100 ships, which would have been a major factor in the battle, and even then they didnt manage to hold off the covenant - the destruction of the planetside generator just sped up the covenants inevitable victory, or at least, thats what it seemed like to me

  • 02.25.2005 5:13 PM PDT
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20? Are you sure? I guess I'll have to go re-read FoR. Oh well, more fun for me =D.

Earth has ships too, so I'm just cancelling those out.

Edit: Here is the new link to download the updated Conversations booklet.

Link

[Edited on 2/25/2005 5:20:14 PM]

  • 02.25.2005 5:17 PM PDT
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hooray! i feel special now, thank you. i know earth has ships, but i think its got a whole heap more than reach - reach had 100-150, but i think earth has way more. but then its nearly 2 in the morning where i am (england) and ive been up since about 7, so maybe my thinkings a little confuzzled. but they, it probably doesnt make all that much difference, human ships are a bit crappy when compared to covenant ones.

  • 02.25.2005 5:27 PM PDT
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I will always place the mission first.
I will never accept defeat.
I will never quit.
I will never leave a fallen comrade.

Hey Mr. Clark that link to the website with the tranlsation of the paragraph in the conversations of the universe booklet doesn't work. Every time I click it it says it is an error, do you know how to make it work?

  • 02.25.2005 7:14 PM PDT
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I will always place the mission first.
I will never accept defeat.
I will never quit.
I will never leave a fallen comrade.

Forget what i wrote before this, some one already put up the translation.

  • 02.25.2005 7:26 PM PDT
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Halo3plzzz xP, thank you very much! I love poring over stuff like that, and expect some new theories from me in the near future. As promised, a hearty pat on the back for you!

Some initial reactions:

-"Sacred Promise" convo: I wonder what battle that was from. Reach? POA right before it crashed into Halo?

-The most interesting covo BY FAR was the letter to "117." Who is Cassandra, and what is her relationship with MC? Does anyone have ANY insight into this??? Apparently, according to the halo library, the recovery station she refers to is the same one MC visits just after destroying the first Halo. Very curious....

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Now for the MAC issue. What brilliant said is that there is no real PROOF of 300 MACs, and I have to admit he is right, even though I disagree. Mainly because looking out the viewing window of the Cairo, you can see at least one other cluster.

300 MAC guns does not, however, guarentee that Earth would be able to hold out against 3000 covie ships, like someone said. I estimate more like 300 ships, as the MACs would likely only get one shot off before being slagged by plasma. So a big advantage for us, but perhaps not enough.

Also, I remember reading on First Stike that most of the human fleet was destroyed, meaning there would probably be even less ships guarding Earth than Reach.

[Edited on 2/25/2005 7:30:19 PM]

  • 02.25.2005 7:29 PM PDT
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I have to disagree with that. The MAC guns at Reach, though highly outnumbered, withstood for atleast 8 hours. The aformentioned was stated in FoR when Dr. Halsey was talking to Fred about how long she had been bunkered down inside the 'King Under the Mountain', or whatever it was called.

Also, you are correct, much of the UNSC fleet was destroyed at Reach. Think about it though, do you really think they would have risked more ships than they could spare in order to protect Earth? I don't think so.

Furthermore, MAC guns fire faster than Covenant ship weapons. Like Cortana said, the Covenant renovate, they don't innovate, and for that reason they have a horrible method of preparing their plasma, which slows down their rate of fire. Why do you suppose they needed to board the Athens and the Malta in order to destroy them? Because they were just incapable of shooting them out of the sky.

Finally, we have to be realists. This is fictional after all, and I doubt Jason Jones would destroy the Earth. I know most storytellers try to be unpredictable and sometimes bring in drastic plot-twists and even kill of the main characters, but destroying Earth is just too far out there. Earth will live, one way or another; I'm certain of it.

  • 02.25.2005 7:54 PM PDT
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Posted by: Faith and Hope
Is chapter 11 coming out tomorro? Please stop double posting joexxx55.


All signs point to ye.....maybe. I was supposed to do a bit more writing than I actually did today, but oh well, I was ahead of schedule anyways.

As for the link I inserted awhile ago, yeah its a busted link, I'm not sure how that happened, and I'm far too lazy to find out.

Anyways, Chapter 11 is going to be great, awesome great. So great that I am in awe of it myself. With each line I write, I stop and weep over the beauty of it all.

  • 02.25.2005 9:46 PM PDT
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I stop and weep too and I haven't even read it yet.

  • 02.25.2005 10:01 PM PDT
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Posted by: Faith and Hope
Is chapter 11 coming out tomorro? Please stop double posting joexxx55.


All signs point to ye.....maybe. I was supposed to do a bit more writing than I actually did today, but oh well, I was ahead of schedule anyways.

As for the link I inserted awhile ago, yeah its a busted link, I'm not sure how that happened, and I'm far too lazy to find out.

Anyways, Chapter 11 is going to be great, awesome great. So great that I am in awe of it myself. With each line I write, I stop and weep over the beauty of it all.


Ah Mr. C your odd statement does entail that Chapter 11 will truly be a sight to see. It also entails that you are very quirky.

Someone should really PM one of the mods or even Frankie, and enquire about the situation concerning the Halo 2 book. While I imagine Eric Nylund is writing the continuence of his story, the actual writing of the book that will follow Halo 2 the game is up for grabs, and i should hope that they would at least take a look at Mr. Clark. He said himself that he wants to be a professional writer one day, how 'bout we give him a boost and see what the people at Bungie can say.

The worst they can say is no.

  • 02.25.2005 11:17 PM PDT
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If you say that this is a great chapter then it's true.
I wish it was here already.
I think I'm gonna take lessons to read slower I first took lessons of speed-reading but now I finish your chapter in 2 minutes. I want to need al least 15 minutes to read it.

  • 02.26.2005 1:23 AM PDT
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to much hate jeeze in wnow about the other cluster and wuts this i here about me being wrong as uslual this is the first time i have posted here exept for the flaming im sry for that

  • 02.26.2005 7:18 AM PDT
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I think that there probably are around 300 MAC guns around Earth I think in the book it said that Reach was smaller than Earth so it would need more MAC guns to protect the whole planet.

  • 02.26.2005 9:38 AM PDT
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Mr. Clark you should have a site like brilliant, then maybe you two could link your sites, or something like that because...that would be cool

  • 02.26.2005 10:08 AM PDT
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The best I can provide site-wise, is the link to my stuff on fanfiction.net. That's in my signature.

I thought about making a site, but then again, I think about a lot of things. Many of which I never do.

  • 02.26.2005 11:00 AM PDT
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Posted by: Halo3plzzz xP
I have to disagree with that. The MAC guns at Reach, though highly outnumbered, withstood for atleast 8 hours. The aformentioned was stated in FoR when Dr. Halsey was talking to Fred about how long she had been bunkered down inside the 'King Under the Mountain', or whatever it was called.

Also, you are correct, much of the UNSC fleet was destroyed at Reach. Think about it though, do you really think they would have risked more ships than they could spare in order to protect Earth? I don't think so.

Furthermore, MAC guns fire faster than Covenant ship weapons. Like Cortana said, the Covenant renovate, they don't innovate, and for that reason they have a horrible method of preparing their plasma, which slows down their rate of fire. Why do you suppose they needed to board the Athens and the Malta in order to destroy them? Because they were just incapable of shooting them out of the sky.

Finally, we have to be realists. This is fictional after all, and I doubt Jason Jones would destroy the Earth. I know most storytellers try to be unpredictable and sometimes bring in drastic plot-twists and even kill of the main characters, but destroying Earth is just too far out there. Earth will live, one way or another; I'm certain of it.


Those are good points. But remember that the MACs would have been slagged early on had those huge refitting ships not sacrificed themsleves by covering them. I don't know, without hard data on range, rate of fire, etc, it's impossible to know. But I thought about what I said about most of the fleet being destroyed at Reach. In the First Strike chapter that takes place at HighCom in Sydney, they talk about how much of the fleet had been lost, and I can't remember exactly what was said, only that it was disastrous. Basically like Pearl Harbor, except more crippling. How many ships are available for Earth defense depends on how many ships were posted at other stations around Earth. Sgt Johnson says at the beginning of H2, "Ships have been coming in all day," meaning they probably recalled all that was left of the fleet. Whether this is more or less than what was at Reach, we won't know until the book comes out.

Speaking of the book, any updates? Has Nylund agreed to write it? I need my Halo fix!

  • 02.26.2005 11:37 AM PDT
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Posted by: TheGreatestSage
wow....I gotta say wow.
I already pictured MC and Jan having a father daughter relationship cuz if they had a relationship relationship it would be kinda disturbin because the Cheif who is somewhere in his upper 40s having a relationship with a 17 year old girl is just wrong.
As far as being too young to join the corp I doubt it.
In a time of extreme need the age might be lowered. If not the draft would definatly be reinstated.
Also even today we have Airforce Auxilary programs (Civil Air Patrol). At these programs youth learn
aronodics and get there pilots lison and such. They become a line of defense for when the
nation has an extreme need of their service.
Also in New Mombassa there is a sign about a program called freedom fighter brigade.
Which is most likely another auxiliry defense program.
So their are most definitly ways for a 17 year old girl to get a part of the action.


Well if you listened to ILB, there is an entire chapter devoted to her trying to join up, in which she is bluntly turned down despite her skills. The recruitment officer tells her it is for morale purposes, ie if the populace saw 17 year olds being drafted, there would be a general panic.

  • 02.26.2005 11:43 AM PDT
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hey me c will dr haysley and kelly be making a show in your story

and great work so far mr c
and adressing the question further up cortana wasnt sure how much of her life had been used up because of halo it could have been half or even more

and one last thing please do not flame each other or start flaming anyone for that matter because im with mr c on this i dont thin forums are a place for slagging each other off

  • 02.26.2005 1:29 PM PDT
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This is my first post and I would like to start by saying that Mr Clark is doing an awesome job. Also if you could PM me when you come out with the new chapters, that would really be great. Keep up the good work, and never sacrifice quality of the story to get it out quicker. Thanks.

  • 02.26.2005 1:41 PM PDT
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Posted by: highland brute
hey me c will dr haysley and kelly be making a show in your story


Hmm, I'll keep mum on that tidbit, but I did put the other Spartans in, as well as Colonel Ackerson. So I wouldn't be too surprised if we hear from the Spartan Matriarch sometime in this story.

Chapter 11 should be finished tonight, but I'll push the release to early Sunday morning just in case things don't go how I've planned them today. No need to worry about me sacrificing the quality to get the chapters out sooner, if I don't like it I'll push the release date back while I fine-tune it.

  • 02.26.2005 2:13 PM PDT
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ya, if you put dr. halsy in this story you relly will have teh best fanfic

  • 02.26.2005 5:10 PM PDT