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343 Guilty Spark and 2401 Penitent Tangent are certainly not weird names.
I'm sure they mean something but what.... I don't know.

As for Gravemind: I think he's a collection of Flood bodies.
If he was a Forerunner, then his objective would be that the Flood would never leave Installation 05. He tried, and succeded, in letting the Flood get off Installation 05.

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Posted by: Scorptank
I think the Forerunners activated the Rings because they had no other strategic option (Guilty Spark)
The Flood was upon them so they thought it best to activate the rings.

Posted by: soulguard
But the Rings were fired because the Forerunners were "out of options". Perhaps things were worse on installations 1,2,3,6, and 7 ???


I agree, I just don't know why they would have activated the halos if they had some how managed to confine them there. Why not just destroy the halos if that was the only place the infestation was taking place. The flood had to of been attacking through out the galaxy on multiple fronts.
Posted by: Mr_Clark
The other thing to think about is, the Flood might not have just been on the Halo Installations. We saw in Halo 2 that where the Heretics had set up base in Threshold, that the Flood were inside and they released them.

I agree that the flood would have to have been in other places as well but Scorptank (see below) makes a valuable observation about why the 'parasite' might have been in the heritic base.
Posted by: Scorptank
Well, Mr_C, I don't think that the base where the Heretics were originally held any Flood at all.
I think those Heretics were growing them to attack the Prophets.
I could be wrong but on the level 'The Arbiter' one Elite says: "those heretic fools! What have they done!"
I think the Heretics were planning an attack against High Charity.

Good find. I seem to remember a elite saying that as well. But it's also possible that the parasite was already there and he was merely stating that the hereitics had allowed it to escape or that the hereitics were fools for not destroying it.? Possibly?



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Posted by: Scorptank
I think the Forerunners activated the Rings because they had no other strategic option (Guilty Spark)
The Flood was upon them so they thought it best to activate the rings.

Posted by: soulguard
But the Rings were fired because the Forerunners were "out of options". Perhaps things were worse on installations 1,2,3,6, and 7 ???


I agree, I just don't know why they would have activated the halos if they had some how managed to confine them there. Why not just destroy the halos if that was the only place the infestation was taking place. The flood had to of been attacking through out the galaxy on multiple fronts.
Posted by: Mr_Clark
The other thing to think about is, the Flood might not have just been on the Halo Installations. We saw in Halo 2 that where the Heretics had set up base in Threshold, that the Flood were inside and they released them.

I agree that the flood would have to have been in other places as well but Scorptank (see below) makes a valuable observation about why the 'parasite' might have been in the heritic base.
Posted by: Scorptank
Well, Mr_C, I don't think that the base where the Heretics were originally held any Flood at all.
I think those Heretics were growing them to attack the Prophets.
I could be wrong but on the level 'The Arbiter' one Elite says: "those heretic fools! What have they done!"
I think the Heretics were planning an attack against High Charity.

Good find. I seem to remember a elite saying that as well. But it's also possible that the parasite was already there and he was merely stating that the hereitics had allowed it to escape or that the hereitics were fools for not destroying it.? Possibly?





Yeah, that's possible.
But in my opinion the Heretics were growing the Flood to attack High Charity or something.
If you don't believe me: why would the Heretics let the Flood live that long.
The Heretics had the Sentinels working for them. The Sentinels are (as far as I know) under the command of a Monitor and that Monitor must have helped them to grow and maintain the Flood.

Oh and LE, I'm still waiting for your critique on my story. <no hurry.


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It was my thought that the "Ship" that was shot down over the Quarantine Zone was In Amber Clad. I didn't think it could be anything else. It crashed into the Quarantine Zone and the flood repaired it, much like they tried to repair The Pillar of Automn on Instillation 4. Which explains how they got the ship and reached High Charity

the thing that gets shot domn is a bit like a bigger version of the gondala thing and if you pay attention when the vid starts when you get to the gondala you can see the prow of in amber clad still up in the sky

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Posted by: Scorptank
Yeah, that's possible.
But in my opinion the Heretics were growing the Flood to attack High Charity or something.
If you don't believe me: why would the Heretics let the Flood live that long.
The Heretics had the Sentinels working for them. The Sentinels are (as far as I know) under the command of a Monitor and that Monitor must have helped them to grow and maintain the Flood.

Oh and LE, I'm still waiting for your critique on my story. <no hurry.

I'm not sure either, but it's like I said you made a good point and possibly an accurate one. I merely stated counter points just for the sake of other possibilities. One thing though, I don't believe that the oracle would knowingly help the heretics grow the flood, much less spread it. It's also hard, for me at least, to believe that heretics would spread the flood either. Surely they would know of the consequences. The only reason why I think they would have kept the parasite around would be to study it for unknown reasons. - LE

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Posted by: highland brute
It was my thought that the "Ship" that was shot down over the Quarantine Zone was In Amber Clad. I didn't think it could be anything else. It crashed into the Quarantine Zone and the flood repaired it, much like they tried to repair The Pillar of Automn on Instillation 4. Which explains how they got the ship and reached High Charity

the thing that gets shot domn is a bit like a bigger version of the gondala thing and if you pay attention when the vid starts when you get to the gondala you can see the prow of in amber clad still up in the sky


Nice find, I'm actually going to try and record that scene (and others like it) for future references. It just never dawned on me that it was anythig other then In Amber Clad... if in fact it was a Gondola... what in the hell was it doing up there, so high Above the Library? Could that have been some flood attempt to acquire the key?

I know that the flood have been trying to get in and out of the quartine zone, and gravemind diffenently wants to get rid of any chances that the ring may fire... so then what was that scene all about? Why would Bungie take the time to animate that shot, if it didn't have some deeper meaning? This is blowing my mind. So many questions.




Posted by:Scorptank
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Yeah, that's possible.
But in my opinion the Heretics were growing the Flood to attack High Charity or something.
If you don't believe me: why would the Heretics let the Flood live that long.
The Heretics had the Sentinels working for them. The Sentinels are (as far as I know) under the command of a Monitor and that Monitor must have helped them to grow and maintain the Flood.



A very good point indeed, scorptank. I often wondered if the flood worked "with" The Heritic Leader or if the flood were just running around freely.


"That is the oracle. Why would he be aiding these Heretics?"

This was stated by one of the Elites in your party at the very begining of The Heritic. Similar to the way that 343GS used Chief on Installation 04, perhaps the Heritic and 343GS had a similar allience, but instead of containning the flood, perhaps the Heretic group was trying to use the flood to their advantage.

But with more thought, (if you'll allow me to elaborate) perhaps something went wrong. Perhaps in their attempt to "mobilize" the flood to their cause, they lost control... leading up to the first battle you hear (beneath you) when you enter the section with the Major and his team. Just before the heritic boss made his first entrance with the holo image.

Halo 2: Juggurnaut
Grunt: Heretic boss! *plasma fire*
Major: Hold your fire! It's a hologram.
Heritic: I see that the Hierarchs have sent non other then the Arbitor....

I can't remember the rest of that speech, nore it's exact phrase. The little cut scenes from Halo 2 seem to be more important then the level intros... anybody know the rest. Perhaps more clues are in the Heritics words.

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I challenge anyone to sit through 6 hours of Halo 2 theories and try to make sense without their brain exploding...>_<

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lmao pretty good thery soulguard but i was wondring about the gondala thing mabey it was a wepons platform or a sheild genorater ment to help control the flood and so they shot it down and just so you know that was just from memory i have a knack for remembering minute details about video game cutscenes but it never seems to work during exams though
oh well cant have everything

what do you mean no scots im a flamin scot

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I got something else to ask! In the Halo 2 limeted edition booklet, the first conversation is 343 GS talking about all the events that happened on Installation 04. He made a log on it.
At the end of his log, he says he's stuck in the middle of nowhere with only Impulse propulsion etc... but then he says "I do believe I see assistance approaching" or something.
(I forget exact wording). But anyway, do you think the assistance were the Heretics?

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I'm guessing it was the Heretics, only they weren't Heretics just yet.

I'd say one of the Covenant cruisers that survived the initial destruction of Installation 04 found 343 Guilty Spark and picked him up, and before High Charity arrived, got the shock of their lives when GS filled them in on some of the finer details of the 'Great Journey'.

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Wait a sec correct me if im wrong but arent the Heretics on the Halo that MC was on in Halo 1? Cause when you see the ships flying to there objective you see the burnt halo. I dont really think the Heretics were farming the Flood I just think what the Elite ment was that they somehow got the Flood onto the Station. Also i think in the description it says Escape the Infested Labs. "Labs" is the key word, this could have been a research Station and somewhere deep down in it the Flood managed to nab an Elite and slowly spred until the time was right then they got out and thats when you drop in.

Also i belive the Heretic Leader was getting help from the Sentinels is because he befriended 343 Spark and he agreed to help stop the flood. I dont got alot of ideas right now but thats all I can think of.

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good job on chapter 12, it was great, keep it up for 13

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My theory is 343 GS has set everyone up. He tricked the Heretics, he tricked the covenant (they call him the oracle, they must go to him for advice?), he had even tricked MasterChief.

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I don't think that Guilty Spark tricks everyone.
He just gets his job done.
And LE, you're kind of right but Guilty Spark has strange ways of workong...

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i didn't even read it, but it sound good

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Posted by: JobberGobber
i didn't even read it, but it sound good


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how can it sound good if you don't read it?

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Posted by: highland brute
how can it sound good if you don't read it?


I don't even know what that guy was talking about...

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Posted by: Scorptank
343 Guilty Spark and 2401 Penitent Tangent are certainly not weird names.
I'm sure they mean something but what.... I don't know.

As for Gravemind: I think he's a collection of Flood bodies.
If he was a Forerunner, then his objective would be that the Flood would never leave Installation 05. He tried, and succeded, in letting the Flood get off Installation 05.


hmm i never thought about that. and i didn't really mean weird i just meant that they must of had some meaning but without that meaning it does sound a liitle obscure

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I knew what you meant when you said weird. I just wanted to make clear that those names may have something to do with the Installation the Monitors are on.

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Posted by: highland brute
how can it sound good if you don't read it?


Maybe he absorbed it through osmosis?

As for 343 GS, I think there's something he's hiding. He seemed all to willing to give away the location of the Ark to the Arbiter, Keyes, and Johnson, and even the whereabouts of the icon to the Covenant.

He might not be tricking them, but he's more than likely holding some information back, either because of protocals, or cause he's just insane.

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Posted by: Mr_Clark
As for 343 GS, I think there's something he's hiding. He seemed all to willing to give away the location of the Ark to the Arbiter, Keyes, and Johnson, and even the whereabouts of the icon to the Covenant.

He might not be tricking them, but he's more than likely holding some information back, either because of protocals, or cause he's just insane.


I'm not sure he's hiding anything, although, he might be insane. I'll admit he did seem eager to tell them the location of the Ark right after they stopped the halo from firing. But it's also possible that he thought they remotely activated it on purpose. After all, he did seem to think that they should have already known what and where the Ark was. The reason he so willing to share information is because his only concern is containment.

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i think that in h1 he was just misunderstood he was trying to do what he thought was right or rather was programed to think was right i have no doubt in my head that he will hold somethings back because of protocal our military etc do it so why shouldn't he

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Yeah, but he if you look at his behaviour he must have some secret plans.

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One reason I think 343 is tricking people: In the heretic base the leader says, the prophets are wrong or something a long those lines, and then arbiter asks who told you this, and 343 floats down.

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