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Subject: Forge Update - you like?

Increase the object limit. Ive made this massive map on sandbox in the outer desert, but I can't add any more stuff that I wanted to, even though I have the cash, because there isn't enough dam space! I can't even place any more spawns!

  • 10.27.2009 7:01 AM PDT
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If that made no sense, It wasn't me.

I'd love it if all this stuff came out.

  • 10.28.2009 6:52 AM PDT

HELL YEAH!

I suck at forge but I have a great imagination so this would actually give me a chance at making one of my many ideas.
I also like the extras tou thought of ie: Scratches on walls colouring on scenery / vehicles

  • 10.28.2009 9:08 AM PDT

yes because it would make every map much better and inresting which is better than any map pack cause its like adding many more maps

i would also add already made drop pods which would be attached on a special"ceiling".they d had two weapons slots.
also i would add weapon crates with ex.8 normal weapon slots/16 small weapon slots+2 big weapon slots(snipers lasers rockets etx)like in camgaign

  • 10.28.2009 11:09 AM PDT

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Forge in and of itself is pretty sweet, considering it's on a console. I have thought of many "improvements" I would like to see (like simply being able to delete everything for goodness sake), but I think that Forge on the xbox shouldn't get much more technical than it already is.

If you start adding all of these in-depth features to forge on the 360, it will become less and less of the social playground than it is.

What NEEDS to happen, is that bungie needs to release map editor for the PC. You would be able to do all of these things and presumably much more on your pc, and then you could load it up on your xbox and play around with it to a lesser extent in the console version of Forge. I know that games such as Far Cry have pulled off impressive console map editors, but I think that Forge needs to retain its relative simplicity because that's part of what makes it so much fun to play around with.

Bungie needs to give us a map maker for the PC with much more powerful tools at our disposal. Of course, if that happened, many of the community-made maps would probably outclass many Bungie-made maps, but I don't see Bungie releasing a lot of new map content in the future, so they really have no excuses (as far as that goes) for not giving us a full-featured map editor.

And the bit about AI being impossible to put multiplayer maps is totally bogus. Look at firefight. You have AI and up to 4 players in a confined area with rounds and counters and the like. If that's not "multiplayer" I don't know what is. I'm sure that in the most technical sense of Bungie's take on "multiplayer" there are some immediate limitations that would not allow them to simply drag and drop AI into multiplayer maps as we know them, but I'm sure that even that with a little work could be allowed. Nothing is "impossible", please.

Anyways, Halo was at it's best when it was closest to the PC (i.e, Halo 1). You do know that Halo was originally being developed for the computer, right? You can tell that Halo 1 is a lot closer to a PC shooter than a console shooter, but I find those differences much more enjoyable personally.

Who am I kidding, we will never get a map-maker on the PC, and me posting this is really futile. Don't kid yourself if you think Bungie really pays any close attention to the "community" anymore. As far as they are concerned, the community is whichever demographic is currently making the most purchases of their product, so naturally they are going to try to appeal not only to them but to every demographic as well. It's sad but gaming companies have no real incentive to cater to their hardcore audience. In the past, there was no such thing as "casual" gaming, and even kids games like "The Great Circus Mystery Starring Mickey and Minnie" were relatively hardcore, in that they weren't that easy to beat! In the past, you had to be a gamer to be hardcore, and you had to be hardcore to be a gamer.. that's just the way it was. 15 years ago gamers were looked at much differently than they are today! Gamers used to be nerds, geeks, weird.. whatever. Seeing/knowing a girl who actually took time out of her day to play games was completely unheard of for the most part. Today, you are almost weird if you haven't played wii sports or at least some game in general, but that's because I wouldn't call "wii sports" a game in the hardcore sense, of course. It is a casual game.

Anyways, I hope the casual gaming era dies, because it is destroying the quality of games more and more. Game developers are finding out that they can get away with less and less effort, because the casual crowd does not care so much about the small intricate details of a game. They just like something shiny and/or quirky and they are happy. And don't get me wrong, I absolutely think there's a place for the Wii and all the games that go with it, but I don't think anyone should ever confuse a standard wii game for a video game as they used to be made. The word "video game" has taken on a much different meaning over the years, and I hate it.

  • 10.28.2009 12:02 PM PDT

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Forge in and of itself is pretty sweet, considering it's on a console. I have thought of many "improvements" I would like to see (like simply being able to delete everything for goodness sake), but I think that Forge on the xbox shouldn't get much more technical than it already is.

If you start adding all of these in-depth features to forge on the 360, it will become less and less of the social playground than it is.

What NEEDS to happen, is that bungie needs to release map editor for the PC. You would be able to do all of these things and presumably much more on your pc, and then you could load it up on your xbox and play around with it to a lesser extent in the console version of Forge. I know that games such as Far Cry have pulled off impressive console map editors, but I think that Forge needs to retain its relative simplicity because that's part of what makes it so much fun to play around with.

Bungie needs to give us a map maker for the PC with much more powerful tools at our disposal. Of course, if that happened, many of the community-made maps would probably outclass many Bungie-made maps, but I don't see Bungie releasing a lot of new map content in the future, so they really have no excuses (as far as that goes) for not giving us a full-featured map editor.

And the bit about AI being impossible to put multiplayer maps is totally bogus. Look at firefight. You have AI and up to 4 players in a confined area with rounds and counters and the like. If that's not "multiplayer" I don't know what is. I'm sure that in the most technical sense of Bungie's take on "multiplayer" there are some immediate limitations that would not allow them to simply drag and drop AI into multiplayer maps as we know them, but I'm sure that even that with a little work could be allowed. Nothing is "impossible", please.

Anyways, Halo was at it's best when it was closest to the PC (i.e, Halo 1). You do know that Halo was originally being developed for the computer, right? You can tell that Halo 1 is a lot closer to a PC shooter than a console shooter, but I find those differences much more enjoyable personally.

Who am I kidding, we will never get a map-maker on the PC, and me posting this is really futile. Don't kid yourself if you think Bungie really pays any close attention to the "community" anymore. As far as they are concerned, the community is whichever demographic is currently making the most purchases of their product, so naturally they are going to try to appeal not only to them but to every demographic as well. It's sad but gaming companies have no real incentive to cater to their hardcore audience. In the past, there was no such thing as "casual" gaming, and even kids games like "The Great Circus Mystery Starring Mickey and Minnie" were relatively hardcore, in that they weren't that easy to beat! In the past, you had to be a gamer to be hardcore, and you had to be hardcore to be a gamer.. that's just the way it was. 15 years ago gamers were looked at much differently than they are today! Gamers used to be nerds, geeks, weird.. whatever. Seeing/knowing a girl who actually took time out of her day to play games was completely unheard of for the most part. Today, you are almost weird if you haven't played wii sports or at least some game in general, but that's because I wouldn't call "wii sports" a game in the hardcore sense, of course. It is a casual game.

Anyways, I hope the casual gaming era dies, because it is destroying the quality of games more and more. Game developers are finding out that they can get away with less and less effort, because the casual crowd does not care so much about the small intricate details of a game. They just like something shiny and/or quirky and they are happy. And don't get me wrong, I absolutely think there's a place for the Wii and all the games that go with it, but I don't think anyone should ever confuse a standard wii game for a video game as they used to be made. The word "video game" has taken on a much different meaning over the years, and I hate it.


You know what modding is right?

  • 10.28.2009 12:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: joshalot11
You know what modding is right?

I wasn't aware you could mod Halo 3 to such an extent. Still, I'm sure that it's complicated and more trouble than I'm willing to go through. It can't be nearly as intuitive as if Bungie were to release a program made specifically or map editing.

  • 10.28.2009 12:36 PM PDT

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The oldest child may learn from the youngest."

Yes, this is absolutely genius. I would love to see this happen, although I think this would take up HUGE amounts of space on a hard drive (mine's 10 gig), unless they ran an online server for it, and in that case that would cost lots of money- but it is countered with the payment of 800 ms points. Of course there would be multiple button combinations for all of this to happen and possibly more lists for the objects. But overall, I love this idea, all of it.

  • 10.28.2009 12:58 PM PDT
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this is a great idea hope they aculy do this

  • 10.28.2009 3:29 PM PDT
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I would love it but comeon we bought the game just make it free and update it. it doesnt seem fair.What would also be cool if u could but alive troops on the map and put them against covenant so its like one big fight.Bungie will come to this or somethin similar later. i know they will

  • 10.28.2009 3:47 PM PDT

WHEN WILL BUNGIE PLEASE ADD THIS UPDATE

  • 10.28.2009 11:27 PM PDT

Sounds yummy

  • 10.28.2009 11:30 PM PDT
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While these are all great ideas. . . I would not be willing to pay to have them simply because I don't forge. I don't have the time, or the patience :P

Not to say that this would not be a fantastic idea! I do believe it would be great, but. . . The question was Would you (ie: me) be willing to pay 800MS Points for this forge update? So, my answer is. . . No. Forge is just not my thing!

:)

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  • 10.28.2009 11:38 PM PDT
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i dream for this

  • 10.29.2009 3:40 AM PDT

Very funny

Is there a possibility for some of these things to be on the forge?

I really would like this, gives a much bigger freedom! is there a reality for this to happen?

  • 10.29.2009 3:53 AM PDT

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If you enjoy making maps, then Forever Forgers is for you!!!

I would pay for an update, because an undo feature would be a lifesaver for when I accidentally delete that block that took me twenty minutes to place. A "Snap-to" and "No Collision" tool would be very useful tools, but a lot of the additions like scenery, AI and paint items would massively increase the requirements to run the game and would cause massive lag in games. It wouldn't be possible to charge for an update for additional features as people that didn't purchase the update would not have those features and would therefore not be able to play specialized maps. Adding tools in an update would be much more useful as the tools themselves would not actually stop people that didn't purchase the update from playing them, just make it easier for hardcore forgers to make excellent maps.

As for the idea of increasing the Total Object Limit, Bungie has stated that this limit is in place so that maps do not become so resource heavy that they cause massive latency on the games. AI would also cause the same problem as this would increase the amount of data that needs to be processed and the AI needs to react to every individual players different tactics. The reason AI works in campaign is that a player must take a predefined route and although they can use different strategies, they are limited in what they can do based on the terrain. AI in mulitplayer however would be vastly limited as players have much more numerous tactical options, making it impossible for AI players to account for these players. Now before people start saying "AI's or bots, have already been in games!!!" these AI have been introduced by the game designers and they still have predefined playing parameters. The average forger would not have the time or inclination to program the different variables and strategies into their AI to make them effective.

Despite this, I would still pay for an update that included extra tools to make forging easier, however, I do not think it would be a wise idea to include extra items in the forging pallet.

  • 10.29.2009 4:03 AM PDT

Absolutely only it shouldn't be an update. That would take up posseively too much space on the hard drive. I suggest a seperate disc you could pick up at a store that contains nothing more than forge. All the tools, options, and extra items to make an amazing map. I know bungie could find some way to make the maps created with the new disk compatable with any version of Halo 3.

  • 10.29.2009 7:12 AM PDT

THis is like an aswer to all the dreams of people who love forage(like me) I cant tell you how usefull these things would be(not to mention how beastly spray paint, terrain editor that is soooo cool) THings like delete all or undo button would make forge like the best great idea and i hope bungie looks at this for a long time to take some of this stuff into consideration. and to all of you who dont think this is usefull you make me want to cry.

LOOK AT THIS BUNGIE!!!!!!

  • 10.29.2009 12:41 PM PDT

YES YES YES! Ive always made good forge maps and one wrong move ruins them and then i have to start all over and with all thses new updates I will finally finish a map! This will be probably the only thing iwill buy with ms points because i think paying to play is enough with the game costs nowadays ($60+).

  • 10.29.2009 4:20 PM PDT

I would say yes since this seems totaly awsome but I don't have MS points. :(

  • 10.29.2009 4:27 PM PDT
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Even the undo button i would pay 800ms for, think about all the times you were trying to pick up/delete a weapon and actually pickup/delete the object beneath it that you spent ten minutes angeling to the perfect position and you get so frustrated you turn your xbox off and say "@#$& forge!!!"

BUNGIE you could sell this update on a card of some sort and gain your own profit??

  • 10.29.2009 6:07 PM PDT

The heavier the metal, the sweeter the jam!

United We Forge is your home for the best Reach and H:3 content.
Join now, and be there when the mayhem begins!

I'm in love with this thread, and I want to have it's babies. Bungie needs to hook it up!

  • 10.30.2009 2:29 AM PDT

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I would pay more than 800

  • 10.30.2009 7:44 PM PDT

Wheres Meh Sniper?

Youtube page

I would pay for sure, these are awesome

  • 10.31.2009 5:40 AM PDT