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i love br, but with crap like bxr and bxb and the doubleshot really make me mad!! it ruins the whole point of the game. you kill someone with the doubleshot and u think you are so tough.what is the point??

[Edited on 05.13.2008 6:55 PM PDT]

  • 05.13.2008 6:54 PM PDT
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its part of the game do it or loss

  • 05.13.2008 6:58 PM PDT

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RIP Halo 2

It takes more skill to pull these off than it does to just aim and pull the trigger, hence the skill involved in halo 2 that is lacking in halo 3.

  • 05.13.2008 8:05 PM PDT
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ARBITER, I CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S NOT BUTTER!!! WORT WORT WORT.

Call it skill, call it cheating, whatever. It's not necessary, and I'm not going to do it. Lame thing to do.

  • 05.13.2008 9:53 PM PDT
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it makes the game better

  • 05.14.2008 12:40 PM PDT
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Posted by: tnt287287
it makes the game better


haha yeah tnt

  • 05.14.2008 2:02 PM PDT
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Posted by: ZEN MASTER 9
i love br, but with crap like bxr and bxb and the doubleshot really make me mad!! it ruins the whole point of the game. you kill someone with the doubleshot and u think you are so tough.what is the point??
It's simply to gain an advantage, what else?

They're glitches that Bungie doesn't approve of and neither do I. I actually don't mind it that much, but when it's being used against others that don't know how to glitch or choose not to, especially since it should not be used in the first place, then that's not cool, man. Just not cool.

  • 05.14.2008 5:35 PM PDT

"I wanted to make people happy, if only for an hour."
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RIP Halo 2

I've wondered if the people that are against it are against it just because they're not good at it.

[Edited on 05.14.2008 5:45 PM PDT]

  • 05.14.2008 5:45 PM PDT

i laugh at the people saying that the button glitches take skill. If by skill they mean a ten dollar Turbo controller with programmed button inputs, sure, why the hell not.

  • 05.14.2008 7:58 PM PDT
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ARBITER, I CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S NOT BUTTER!!! WORT WORT WORT.

Kim's got it right.

  • 05.14.2008 10:49 PM PDT
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Posted by: RussellTheHippy
I've wondered if the people that are against it are against it just because they're not good at it.
That may be so, but that's like saying people don't like to cheat because they're not good at it. I never really mastered the double shot, but anybody can BXR and BXB.

  • 05.15.2008 11:54 AM PDT

"I wanted to make people happy, if only for an hour."
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RIP Halo 2

Posted by: Master Kim
Posted by: RussellTheHippy
I've wondered if the people that are against it are against it just because they're not good at it.
That may be so, but that's like saying people don't like to cheat because they're not good at it. I never really mastered the double shot, but anybody can BXR and BXB.

Actually it's not the same as saying that, because cheating is against the rules whereas double shots are not. Anything that you can do with an ordinary controller cannot be considered cheating.

  • 05.15.2008 12:20 PM PDT

Life is Loud, Live it Loud.

I don't see anything wrong with it, as anyone can learn how to do it, you just need tp practice it. The thing that annoys me more than anything in the game though, is that some people are still using the "noob combo", after Halo 2 being out for almost 4 years. I just can't stand it.

  • 05.16.2008 6:39 AM PDT
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Posted by: RussellTheHippy
Actually it's not the same as saying that, because cheating is against the rules whereas double shots are not. Anything that you can do with an ordinary controller cannot be considered cheating.
http://nikon.bungie.org/news.html?item=15968

  • 05.16.2008 11:38 AM PDT

Posted by: Master Kim
http://nikon.bungie.org/news.html?item=15968

I like this guy.

Anyway, I agree with the OP; I think that we'd all be better off if button glitches never made it to the release build. I can't stand people who use them to gain an unfair advantage. People say that it makes the game better because it can get you out of tight binds. Well, that's just dandy, but what about the guy who spent five minutes painstakingly backing you into a corner to finish you off? He's at least entitled to a fair fight, rather than the other player simply turning around and doing a button glitch to demolish him.

The bottomline is that, if you're in the tight bind, chances are that you got yourself there, and exploiting glitches to escape that bind is just a crutch, the use of which shows that you're incapable of using legit game mechanics to escape that particular situation.

  • 05.17.2008 8:06 AM PDT
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Posted by: Demerzel
Posted by: Master Kim
http://nikon.bungie.org/news.html?item=15968

I like this guy.

Anyway, I agree with the OP; I think that we'd all be better off if button glitches never made it to the release build. I can't stand people who use them to gain an unfair advantage. People say that it makes the game better because it can get you out of tight binds. Well, that's just dandy, but what about the guy who spent five minutes painstakingly backing you into a corner to finish you off? He's at least entitled to a fair fight, rather than the other player simply turning around and doing a button glitch to demolish him.

The bottomline is that, if you're in the tight bind, chances are that you got yourself there, and exploiting glitches to escape that bind is just a crutch, the use of which shows that you're incapable of using legit game mechanics to escape that particular situation.

if button glitches never came out then there will be less players that are going to play halo 2

  • 05.17.2008 2:45 PM PDT

"I wanted to make people happy, if only for an hour."
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RIP Halo 2

Posted by: Demerzel
Posted by: Master Kim
http://nikon.bungie.org/news.html?item=15968

I like this guy.

Anyway, I agree with the OP; I think that we'd all be better off if button glitches never made it to the release build. I can't stand people who use them to gain an unfair advantage. People say that it makes the game better because it can get you out of tight binds. Well, that's just dandy, but what about the guy who spent five minutes painstakingly backing you into a corner to finish you off? He's at least entitled to a fair fight, rather than the other player simply turning around and doing a button glitch to demolish him.
Actually, they are legit game mechanics. Anything that you can do on an ordinary controller is legit. If I don't know what I'm doing, freak out, and hit random buttons and end up BxRing someone, that is not cheating. Therefore, it is not actually cheating to BxR someone. It's stupid to think otherwise. That point of view defies all logic.

The bottomline is that, if you're in the tight bind, chances are that you got yourself there, and exploiting glitches to escape that bind is just a crutch, the use of which shows that you're incapable of using legit game mechanics to escape that particular situation.

They are legit. If I can do them on accident on a regular controller, it's not cheating. It's just logical.

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yea dat cool

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Is it cheating when I fire a few bursts on a target, meet up close, melee, prematurely start to reload to prepare for the next encounter honestly believing that would have finished him only to follow up with another melee in a panic to finish the job? I performed a BXB without even intending it. What if that kill decided the game?

Granted that was unintentional so the answer is no but if I can execute a "cheat" that easily while in a panicked state and interrupt an animation in that scenario through a simple reload how can you judge malicious intent from an accident and claim it's cheating? There's an off chance to "cheat" by simply performing a melee, reload or weapon switch to cancel an animation at any point during a game. It's just far too pervasive in this game to consider this cheating IMO.

  • 05.17.2008 5:41 PM PDT
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Frog Blast the Vent Core!

Posted by: RussellTheHippy
Posted by: Demerzel
Posted by: Master Kim
http://nikon.bungie.org/news.html?item=15968

I like this guy.

Anyway, I agree with the OP; I think that we'd all be better off if button glitches never made it to the release build. I can't stand people who use them to gain an unfair advantage. People say that it makes the game better because it can get you out of tight binds. Well, that's just dandy, but what about the guy who spent five minutes painstakingly backing you into a corner to finish you off? He's at least entitled to a fair fight, rather than the other player simply turning around and doing a button glitch to demolish him.
Actually, they are legit game mechanics. Anything that you can do on an ordinary controller is legit. If I don't know what I'm doing, freak out, and hit random buttons and end up BxRing someone, that is not cheating. Therefore, it is not actually cheating to BxR someone. It's stupid to think otherwise. That point of view defies all logic.

The bottomline is that, if you're in the tight bind, chances are that you got yourself there, and exploiting glitches to escape that bind is just a crutch, the use of which shows that you're incapable of using legit game mechanics to escape that particular situation.

They are legit. If I can do them on accident on a regular controller, it's not cheating. It's just logical.
"Hey, anyone can get their Xbox modded and use it online, it's not cheating!"

Although a stretch, that's basically the logic you are using. You're just going to run into a wall with it.Also, most glitches are things that have been done by accident. Going through quite a few online games, and seeing glitches put into use, I could see them all being discovered accidentally. There's a neglible different for most glitches (BxR is a little touchy) between accidentally using a glitch and intentionally abusing one. People who end up repeatedly doing it should be... well, frowned upon. There's really not much that can be done, seeing as Halo 2 is universally abandoned now.

  • 05.17.2008 10:55 PM PDT

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No, that is not the logic I am using. Getting your xbox modded is going out of your way. Doing a BXR is something I can do on any regular xbox controller on any xbox in the world. It is not an unfair advantage. It is just tactical.

  • 05.17.2008 11:04 PM PDT
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Posted by: Fatso
Is it cheating when I fire a few bursts on a target, meet up close, melee, prematurely start to reload to prepare for the next encounter honestly believing that would have finished him only to follow up with another melee in a panic to finish the job? I performed a BXB without even intending it. What if that kill decided the game?

Granted that was unintentional so the answer is no but if I can execute a "cheat" that easily while in a panicked state and interrupt an animation in that scenario through a simple reload how can you judge malicious intent from an accident and claim it's cheating? There's an off chance to "cheat" by simply performing a melee, reload or weapon switch to cancel an animation at any point during a game. It's just far too pervasive in this game to consider this cheating IMO.
If the glitches are done by accident, I wouldn't find that malicious at all: After all, that's how they were found in the first place, by accident. Practically-speaking however, I would have to say that an extremely high percentage of these glitches are performed by intent (or second nature, even, due to people becoming so accustomed to them) and not by accident.

Personally, I don't actually consider it cheating myself. However, I do find it unsportsmanlike and unfair to those who choose not to use button glitches and I respect players' decisions not to use them. They're glitches - they shouldn't be in the game in the first place and they significantly alter the gameplay. Therefore players should not be forced to perform these glitches and they have every right to feel violated if somebody uses exploits against them.Posted by: RussellTheHippy
No, that is not the logic I am using. Getting your xbox modded is going out of your way. Doing a BXR is something I can do on any regular xbox controller on any xbox in the world. It is not an unfair advantage. It is just tactical.
Like he said, it's a stretch, but you seem to be saying that the only difference between performing in-game glitches and modding a console is the amount of effort involved, which seems like a poor argument to me. "Tactical" isn't what I'd use to describe abusing in-game glitches, more like "opportunistic."

It's not an unfair advantage simply because any player can learn and use them with their controllers? It is when you're playing against players who don't use them, as I mentioned earlier.

If the players agree that they don't mind that they will be using button glitches against each other, then that is acceptable and not unfair, as these players gave their consent. In that case, I don't find anything wrong with that. It's just unfair when you're using it against players who choosen ot to use them.

  • 05.18.2008 12:36 PM PDT

Posted by: RussellTheHippy
They are legit. If I can do them on accident on a regular controller, it's not cheating. It's just logical.

No, sorry. That is not the case.

  • 05.19.2008 4:56 AM PDT

"I wanted to make people happy, if only for an hour."
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RIP Halo 2

To whoever said that it is cheating because it is an unfair advantage over people that don't know how to use it,
Does that mean that if I'm playing someone that has never played before I cannot shoot, punch, jump, or do anything else they don't know how to do? Brilliant logic.

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Posted by: RussellTheHippy
To whoever said that it is cheating because it is an unfair advantage over people that don't know how to use it,
Does that mean that if I'm playing someone that has never played before I cannot shoot, punch, jump, or do anything else they don't know how to do? Brilliant logic.
That's an absurd argument. For the last time, the developers didn't want these bugs in the game to be exploited in the first place because it changes the gameplay from what they intended. Consequently, players that did not learn how to use these glitches are not obligated to do so, and if a player chooses not to use them then that decision is to be respected and if he cares or does not give consent for others to use them, then that is not fair.

  • 05.19.2008 2:44 PM PDT

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