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Subject: halo 2 are more skilled then halo 3

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Posted by: JeffreyxDahmerx
halo 2 is just a laggy super jumping fiasco with very few options....both weapon wise and lobby wise (forge, theater,match making, custom games)

I don't see why the fact that it has less lobbies makes it require less skill. I would ask for your logic but I think you're a moron.

  • 05.20.2008 8:40 PM PDT
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ARBITER, I CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S NOT BUTTER!!! WORT WORT WORT.

I find Halo 3 has way worse lag than Halo 2.

  • 05.21.2008 2:56 AM PDT

I agree that there is skill in button glitches, and the BR spread needs tightening in Halo 3, but Halo 3 does have competitive merits. The weapons were unbalanced in Halo 2: the Sniper was godly, and the Battle Rifle took no skill. Auto-aim was far too rampant.

The maps were excellent, but Halo 3 has Forge. Look what MLG has done with the Halo 3 maps. The spawns were tweaked, the choices on the maps narrowed down to a select few weapons. The Sniper in Halo 3 takes far more skill (less magnetism, lower rate of fire and recoil) and as long as you aren't shooting cross-map, BR spread isn't a problem and takes more skill.

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Posted by: Hale 079
The Sniper in Halo 3 takes far more skill (less magnetism, lower rate of fire and recoil)

the sniper in halo 2 takes more skill. You dont have to stop moving to get a shot that goes straight.

Posted by: JeffreyxDahmerx
halo 2 is just a laggy super jumping fiasco with very few options....both weapon wise and lobby wise (forge, theater,match making, custom games)

halo 2 takes more skill to get to a higher level so matchmaking is more fun than halo 3's
halo 2 you can play bounces, glitches, custom games, and matchmaking. It has better and more maps. The weapons are better than halo 3's

[Edited on 05.21.2008 12:29 PM PDT]

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Posted by: tnt287287
Posted by: Hale 079
The Sniper in Halo 3 takes far more skill (less magnetism, lower rate of fire and recoil)

the sniper in halo 2 takes more skill. You dont have to stop moving to get a shot that goes straight.
That doesn't mean it takes more skill, just that it's more consistent. Besides, Halo 2's massive auto-aim makes getting frags so easy.

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Posted by: Master Kim
Posted by: tnt287287
Posted by: Hale 079
The Sniper in Halo 3 takes far more skill (less magnetism, lower rate of fire and recoil)

the sniper in halo 2 takes more skill. You dont have to stop moving to get a shot that goes straight.
That doesn't mean it takes more skill, just that it's more consistent. Besides, Halo 2's massive auto-aim makes getting frags so easy.

when ever i have a sniper in halo 3 i shot them in the head at least 3-4 times before they died

  • 05.21.2008 12:30 PM PDT

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Halo 3 sniper is broken. I get headshots and go on in a game only to find out the guy I thought was dead isn't even hurt and he assassinates me. If I go to the film I can see a clearly defined smoke trail going straight through their head but I get nothing for it. Then they throw a grenade ten feet away and it is magnetically attracted to me. Have you seen the video called 90 degree. A guy throws a grenade and it takes a 90 degree turn and goes vertically upward to stick a guy above it. It may be on my file share. But it is on Youtube.

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Posted by: RussellTheHippy
Halo 3 sniper is broken. I get headshots and go on in a game only to find out the guy I thought was dead isn't even hurt and he assassinates me. If I go to the film I can see a clearly defined smoke trail going straight through their head but I get nothing for it. Then they throw a grenade ten feet away and it is magnetically attracted to me. Have you seen the video called 90 degree. A guy throws a grenade and it takes a 90 degree turn and goes vertically upward to stick a guy above it. It may be on my file share. But it is on Youtube.
Yeah, Halo 3 has some serious flaws and I never liked how the bullet didn't seem to fly straight so frequently myself.

EDIT: I saw the video, and I think there was another reason why the guy got stuck. It could be the "lag elevator" effect. There was someone playing on Snowbound on Double Team and was crouching on a perch above the ground hiding, and his friend asked why he was on the ground when he wasn't. An enemy came into the room and stuck him, and on his screen it looked like the plasma grenade did a 90 degree turn upwards. Looking through his friend's saved film, to the other players he actually fell to the ground and not on the high perch due to lag or some glitch in the netcode.

In the "90 Degree Turn" video, you can see that the sticky is thrown exactly underneath where the player is hiding on the perch. I'm thinking this could be the same error. Either way, that is quite absurd.

[Edited on 05.21.2008 5:03 PM PDT]

  • 05.21.2008 4:50 PM PDT

One thing they both have in common: TOO MANY FUGGING GRENADES. It causes everything to feel cheap when everyone throws grenades with wreckless abandon. (Typically in Lone Wolves, Double Team; on smaller maps, etc).

[Edited on 05.22.2008 6:47 PM PDT]

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Halo 3 takes lots more skill than 2 because now you have to lead your shots to get a 4 shot (unless they are coming to you). The snipe is way more skill but i appreciate the way they made no scopes way easier in 3 cause 2 it was hard

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Posted by: Master Kim
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in halo 2 you can doubleshot, bxb and bxr and that take more skill then only shoting someone normaly like in halo 3 beacuse in halo 3 the one how get the first hit win, if you dosent suck at the aiming. so thats way I think halo 2 is more skilled then halo 3
The BXR and BXB really don't take that much skill and are unbalanced and unfair, especially to players who don't use them. The double shot actually involves skill, but a major advantage over players who don't use them either. In Halo 2, there's the game-cripping auto-aim which makes it much easier to aim than in the first or third game.


This is a perfect example of the attitude of someone who got wopped in Halo 2.

The BXR and BXB really don't take that much skill and are unbalanced and unfair, especially to players who don't use them. The double shot actually involves skill, but a major advantage over players who don't use them either. In Halo 2, there's the game-cripping auto-aim which makes it much easier to aim than in the first or third game.

How much can you possibly fail?
First, if i DON'T use the shotgun in a game of shottys - i will get pwnd. That's the simple rules of the game. If you don't adjust yourself to game you're playing you will lose. You can't just say "Hey! I can't do that! Let's DON'T do that." It's like yelling "Okay guys, nobody use snipers ok?" in the pregame lobby - stupid.

Second. Well, do i need a second?

  • 05.26.2008 5:12 AM PDT

Posted by: ღMidnight Hawk2ღ
Everyone is entitled to their own wrong opinion.


I'm part of the Bungie.net Minecraft group/server called SeptaCrafters
We're a Bungie.net group that goes to our very own Bungie server. Most players are from the Halo community either off Bungie itself or through word to Halo friends.

point being........some people need to learn how to use BxR and double shot....i can't use them all the time but i know how to use them. i admit its annoying when i get double shot but thats doesn't mean i am going to call some1 a n00b for useing it

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Posted by: Maxe3
Posted by: Master Kim
Posted by: DJ Erik
in halo 2 you can doubleshot, bxb and bxr and that take more skill then only shoting someone normaly like in halo 3 beacuse in halo 3 the one how get the first hit win, if you dosent suck at the aiming. so thats way I think halo 2 is more skilled then halo 3
The BXR and BXB really don't take that much skill and are unbalanced and unfair, especially to players who don't use them. The double shot actually involves skill, but a major advantage over players who don't use them either. In Halo 2, there's the game-cripping auto-aim which makes it much easier to aim than in the first or third game.


This is a perfect example of the attitude of someone who got wopped in Halo 2.

The BXR and BXB really don't take that much skill and are unbalanced and unfair, especially to players who don't use them. The double shot actually involves skill, but a major advantage over players who don't use them either. In Halo 2, there's the game-cripping auto-aim which makes it much easier to aim than in the first or third game.

How much can you possibly fail?
First, if i DON'T use the shotgun in a game of shottys - i will get pwnd. That's the simple rules of the game. If you don't adjust yourself to game you're playing you will lose. You can't just say "Hey! I can't do that! Let's DON'T do that." It's like yelling "Okay guys, nobody use snipers ok?" in the pregame lobby - stupid.

Second. Well, do i need a second?
That's an extremely absurd logic.

I'm not biased against them, I like these glitches. I used the BXR quite frequently. I performed BXBs often as anyone else. The fact of the matter is, they shouldn't be in the damn game in the first place and they alter the gameplay, and players should not be forced to use them just because others want to manipulate exploits to gain an advantage and they have every right to feel violated if other players are deviating from how the game was meant to be played. You're comparing exploiting errors against players who don't know how to use them to what Bungie actually intended as a developer for the player to do, which is an absurd and invalid analogy for the reasons above.

However, I should have elaborated when I stated that the BXR and BXB don't take much skill. I meant in comparison to the original Halo. In the first game, you could double melee and if performed correctly gave you a kill, the drawback (key word there, draw back) being you had to throw a grenade in order to perform it, which was one less grenade you could have thrown at your opponent later and could end up killing you if you didn't watch out for it, and it was much more difficult to melee players in the first game. A successful BXR has no draw back. The BXB can be performed at no cost to the player. The double shot is the only one that takes real considerable skill, which is no doubt impressive in my mind, but there is no draw back.

If you want to BXR and double shot, that's fine in customs and tournaments and what-have-you where consent is a given. Just don't expect any respect from me when you use it against players who don't want to use them and they don't want you to use them either.

Also, you can do without the inflammatory remarks on the side because you're coming off as arrogant and it's inconducive to discussion, which is what fthis forum is for.

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Posted by: Master Kim
That's an extremely absurd logic.

I'm not biased against them, I like these glitches. I used the BXR quite frequently. I performed BXBs often as anyone else. The fact of the matter is, they shouldn't be in the damn game in the first place and they alter the gameplay, and players should not be forced to use them just because others want to manipulate exploits to gain an advantage and they have every right to feel violated if other players are deviating from how the game was meant to be played. You're comparing exploiting errors against players who don't know how to use them to what Bungie actually intended as a developer for the player to do, which is an absurd and invalid analogy for the reasons above.
So, basicly, what you're saying is that is that we should stop doing slidejumps, quickreloads and every other glitch old-school players use...just becuase it wasn't intended by Bungie and makes noobs cry? Damn. I love Bungie, but i can easily say that the community saved Halo 2 Multiplayer by finding these things. Sure, for a noob it's a nightmare, but when you've played for a year, these things took the whole experience to a new level.

What I think you're trying too say is that you don't think that people who still are noobs should have to endure this in MM. And i'm ALL for that. I don't BXR/BXB/x2Shoot everyone i see in MM. I still hate people who x2shoot me in MM since i haven't really bother mastering it myself ;P But that doesn't give me a right to -blam!- about how bad they are, cuz fact is - they're not.

[Edited on 05.26.2008 7:39 AM PDT]

  • 05.26.2008 7:38 AM PDT

I was awesome at Halo 2 but now I'm horrible at Halo 3

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Posted by: Maxe3
So, basicly, what you're saying is that is that we should stop doing slidejumps, quickreloads and every other glitch old-school players use...just becuase it wasn't intended by Bungie and makes noobs cry? Damn. I love Bungie, but i can easily say that the community saved Halo 2 Multiplayer by finding these things. Sure, for a noob it's a nightmare, but when you've played for a year, these things took the whole experience to a new level.
No, I never said people should stop. I told you, I use them myself and yes, they do enhance the gameplay. I endorse them, for crying out loud. I'm just saying, a player has a right to feel violated if somebody uses the double shot on him without his consent and is not obligated to use them. If I go into a match and people don't want glitches to be used, then that is sheer disrespect and unsportsmanlike.

Posted by: Maxe3
What I think you're trying too say is that you don't think that people who still are noobs should have to endure this in MM. And i'm ALL for that. I don't BXR/BXB/x2Shoot everyone i see in MM. I still hate people who x2shoot me in MM since i haven't really bother mastering it myself ;P But that doesn't give me a right to -blam!- about how bad they are, cuz fact is - they're not.
It's like this thread all over again, that's exactly what I said. Also, I never said players who exploit these are necessarily noobs, so why was I criticized? 0.o

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  • 05.26.2008 3:52 PM PDT

whats BxB and BxR????¿¿¿¿

  • 05.26.2008 4:02 PM PDT

how do u do double shots, quick reloads and slidejumps???¿¿¿

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Posted by: chief101
how do u do double shots, quick reloads and slidejumps???¿¿¿

BXR= press B, X, R (need a full clip)
double shot, quadshot= press R, R, X, Y, Y, R, R, X (need secondary)
BXB= B, X, B, (when you don't have a full clip)
quick reload= press Y, Y when the ammo clip goes back in your gun (need secondary)

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Posted by: chief101
how do u do double shots, quick reloads and slidejumps???¿¿¿

Why is your horrible abuse of question marks so obnoxiously unnecessarily excessive???¿¿¿ :D

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i h8 when people say that halo 3 is easier it isnt.... its just if u suck. its just a matter of what game u r use to............. im not saying ur bad, but its a dum topic and i can beat u
Posted by: DJ Erik
in halo 2 you can doubleshot, bxb and bxr and that take more skill then only shoting someone normaly like in halo 3 beacuse in halo 3 the one how get the first hit win, if you dosent suck at the aiming. so thats way I think halo 2 is more skilled then halo 3

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Posted by: xJASON VOORHEES
i h8 when people say that halo 3 is easier it isnt.... its just if u suck. its just a matter of what game u r use to............. im not saying ur bad, but its a dum topic and i can beat u
Posted by: DJ Erik
in halo 2 you can doubleshot, bxb and bxr and that take more skill then only shoting someone normaly like in halo 3 beacuse in halo 3 the one how get the first hit win, if you dosent suck at the aiming. so thats way I think halo 2 is more skilled then halo 3

Halo 3 is easier. you wont find much legit 50's in halo 2 but in halo 3 almost everyone has one

[Edited on 05.26.2008 4:34 PM PDT]

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I have to agree, halo 2 is alot faster paced.

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I think the ranking system has always been generally unreliable and inconsistent. I wouldn't trust anything until I saw someone play the game with my own eyes.

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Posted by: Master Kim
I think the ranking system has always been generally unreliable and inconsistent. I wouldn't trust anything until I saw someone play the game with my own eyes.

halo 2's or halo 3's

  • 05.27.2008 3:37 PM PDT