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Subject: Sergeant Johnson: The Enemy in disguise?

Great input, not that I'm a cheerleader? I was thinking along some of those same lines, especially the one's dealing with improving the Spartans.

  • 06.21.2004 9:40 PM PDT
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RIGHT! BLAM!

  • 06.21.2004 9:52 PM PDT
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or maybe this flood DNA is secretly turning sgt. johnson into a host for flood spores like a disguised carrier, normal on the outside flood on the inside

and at the right time the flood will burst through him like in alien

  • 06.22.2004 3:47 AM PDT
Subject: Sergeant Johnson: Enemy in disguise?
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Johnson as having "some new regenerative ablities" in First Strike, then I think we should expect to see this "dead DNA" to play a major role in the storyline of Sergeant Johnson, and overall in the storyline of Halo 2.

Interesting, so you mean he could betray?Nah, because the flood is mindless it doesnt come up with that, nor other strategies, i think if it had any effect on him it was the regenarating ability, but if thats in the Flood DNA, that means that if you shoot them but not kill, walk away..come back..and shoot you're at the start again?Didnt Cortana get something when she was at the control room?

[Edited on 6/22/2004 5:20:15 AM]

  • 06.22.2004 5:19 AM PDT
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Sergeant Johnson, heres what I think.
His regenerative abilities will keep him alive, as someone said he will be like a Halo version of Wolverine, but obviously just because of his regenerative abilities. Because of them the Boren's Syndrome will not kill him as the Flood DNA will keep him alive and stop the disease killing him. This will greatly aid the war effort.

There are downsides, though the DNA may appear to be dead or damaged and it is known it cannot effect Johnson, it can effect other peoples DNA. Humans spread their DNA everywhere, in dead skin, blood hair etc. All it could take is for a fragment of Flood DNA to be consumed by a person and get onto some cells. It MAY be dead, but it might just be playing domant.
Remeber Mendoza in the Flood? He wasn't totally taken, the flood and his mind shared the same body and fought for control, it was obvious that the flood could retreat and take almost at will. If any of the traces of Flood have a form of conciousness in Johnson, they may be just biding their time waiting for the right moment. A Flood outbreak could occur any moment when they get back to Earth. Johnson could unknowingly spell our doom despite being a decent bloke.

As for John 117. I don't think he has Flood DNA personally. they couldn't give him such a tortured death and it would have been noticed by now. Though as a point when Halsey noticed the irregularities in Kelly did she tell her, no. If this is the case why would she tell John such a thing if she noticed, maybe she is more attatched to him than what she thinks.
I think it would be horrible if at the end of halo 2, MC is turning into a Flood and has to kill himself or something.

Cortana. Yes she is slowing down. She is overloaded with Halo data and it is slowing down her proccesses. She has had an attitude change as a result of it and is also coming into contact with her own sence of mortality. She nows her lifespan of 7 years has been cut shorter thanks to halo and this may be affecting her also.

From the mysteries of First Strike, Halo 2 has almost endless capabilities.

  • 06.22.2004 6:11 AM PDT
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Have you guys honestly read anythingyou have been typing?

First, the Flood are not mindless, they are not stpid. "Their parasitic nature belies the Flood's intelligence." The reason, I have read, that their AI in the game is so... suicidal is for lack of time. Also, out-numbering a guy a million to one leads to a certain confidance in the ability to simply overwhelm him with numbers. I do believe the flood have a 'hive' mindset, similar to the borg, if you will.

Also, what part of 'dead' and 'noninfectios' do you people not understand? Sergeant Avery J. Johnson will not magically turn into a combat, carrier, or infection form. Do you know why? Despite the fact that he has been 'stung' and has been 'infected' with Flood DNA, he has no Infection form to habitate him, to complete the process of turning him into anything more than a human with a few intact flood gene fragments.

As to Master Chief John, the infection form that attacked him did have a split second to 'deliver a shock to his nervous system,' however, again, he does not have an infection form presently attached to his body to complete his transformation. I seemed to get a sense from HALO: The Flood that all the combat forms had an infection form holed up inside of them, without the infection form, I do not believe a transformatin can be complete.


EDIT: And about cortana. She does not have 'regenerative' abilites. Period. She can replicate herself, but these replicants are flawed. As Zamamee said, she is stretched to the limit of her abilities maintaining the data from HALO and trying to operate as 'normal.' I just wish she would find the time to sort out all the data and compress it efficiently to give herself some breathing room.

[Edited on 6/22/2004 6:38:05 AM]

  • 06.22.2004 6:30 AM PDT

Posted by: ApoX
Johnson as having "some new regenerative ablities" in First Strike, then I think we should expect to see this "dead DNA" to play a major role in the storyline of Sergeant Johnson, and overall in the storyline of Halo 2.

Interesting, so you mean he could betray?Nah, because the flood is mindless it doesnt come up with that, nor other strategies, i think if it had any effect on him it was the regenarating ability, but if thats in the Flood DNA, that means that if you shoot them but not kill, walk away..come back..and shoot you're at the start again?Didnt Cortana get something when she was at the control room



Your are right in that the flood spores are mindless cells that don't come up with strategy. However, this doesn't mean that "strategy," in effect, isn't built into them as a mechanism for survival. The spores don't think, they just infect. In Johnson's case, the flood spores can't infect, so they have started some type of regenerative process within his body to stay potient, and I'll explain why in a second. Basically, if the spores can't infect the intended victim, then survival insticts, if you will, kick in and the spores go dormant by using some sort of "regenerative process" inside the vicitim's body. Once the victim's ( Johnson's )DNA comes in contact with another living organism, the Flood spores will, in effect, wake up and infect the new organism.
What I'm saying is, Johnson may have unknowingly become a "trojan horse" for the Flood spores, and that is potient. It isn't because the Flood spores have a strategy, or because Johnson is under their controll; rather, it is because a mechanism of survival that is built into the Flood DNA has activated.

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  • 06.22.2004 6:35 AM PDT
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just because there are no intact infection form doesn't mean there isn't a threat but you are quite right in saying there is a low risk in that aspect. however the effect of flood dna (not the infection form) is to re-write human dna.
you are right in stating that the infection form gains control of the body usually and moves into the hosts chest cavity. but there is still nothing to stop the flood dna rewriting a victims dna turning them into a combat form. the only difference is that the combat form will have their own mind and identity because the infection form also drained their minds to take control of the body and learning in the process. they could still become a carrier form because of the flood dna and spore more infections which would cause the outbrake.
i hope everyone here gets me so far, it will be difficult if you havn't read the books.
the flood are intelligent but not like the covenant or humans are. they can use their victims deceased mind to their advantage, such as using weapons and driving vehicles. they are capable of individual thought but also linked to a single hive mind.
they all have a thurst for food and to reproduce and don't forget what keyes turned into. he became a rare brain flood form. it was capable of interfacing with the electronics on the starship and summoning the lesser flood. remember in the book? its like he summoned the other flood for assistance in dealing with the cheif also why would so many other flood simply arrive unless they had been bekoned for?

  • 06.22.2004 6:53 AM PDT

JohnKerensky

Slow down buddy:)You present your points about Johnson very well, but you've left out one very important detail. The new regenerative process! This simple fact adds much more to the puzzle, and it is why some have come up with what you may consider outside the realm of possible.

As for Cortana, I mearly wished to show the similarities between her and Johnson's/Flood's situations. Both are faced with death, in a way, yet they have both stumbled upon a way of replicating or regenerative themselves, however you wish to put it ( that's why I stated both ). This gives life to Johnson for the obviouse reasons already stated. As for Cortana, you are right that she can only make imperfect copies of herself, which don't give her, the original, an extended life. However, when it comes to life, is their really a difference between replicating (cloning) and regeneratating (old made new )? Basically, no and yes. I'll leave that to your respone, as I'm sure you will find some flaw in it:)

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  • 06.22.2004 7:06 AM PDT
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he has no Infection form to habitate him, to complete the process of turning him into anything more than a human with a few intact flood gene fragments.-JohnKerensky

However, because this encounter with the flood dna has created a new regenerative capabillity in Johnson's system, is there a way that the flood dna may com into contact with this code at some point, and when this contact happens, wouldnt that mean that the flood dna could get this regeneration capability as a side affect? Couldnt that make it possible for the dna to become active and somehow the sarge could transfer it to someone else and begin the flood transformation on some other host, couldnt that regenerative capability over time even create an infection form?

And on other notes, if this above is wrong,i do believe if they kill the sarge and do testings on him at oni, they might actually use this regenerative capability as an aid in the war effort with the spartans.

  • 06.22.2004 12:32 PM PDT
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the flood is a virus. Although dead, genetic information can still be transferred from a dead virus to a live one. So, there is a good chance that the virus can be passed. Think of it being like AIDS. if Sgt. Johnson was to get hurt, and a medic tries to help him. If the medic has any cuts on him, and Sgt Johnsons blood is transferred to the medic, then the dead flood virus can become active again (Besides, a virus is undetermined to be dead or alive really, since it has only a few traits of a living organism) I hope I explained that right. I'm better at I am speaking then typing. ;P

  • 06.22.2004 1:12 PM PDT

Posted by: sniperboy
And on other notes, if this above is wrong,i do believe if they kill the sarge and do testings on him at oni, they might actually use this regenerative capability as an aid in the war effort with the spartans.



I hope they don't kill Johnson. Though, his death would go towards a good cause:)

  • 06.22.2004 6:13 PM PDT
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Okay I haven't read the books and I've only skimmed this thread after my first reply. But one thing I'm nearly certain of is that Sgt. Johnson would NOT turn against any UNSC. I mean just listen to him in the opening scene, he is WAY to gung-ho to turn on his own people. I just don't see that at all.

And secondly, since I did not read to books I'd like to know how the heck he got off Halo. As far as I knew their was only three... things that got off. Master Chief, Cortana, and 343 Guilty Spark. So umm was the Sgt. hiding on the figher MC left on...?

  • 06.23.2004 8:37 AM PDT
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Guys... ::big grin:: You are firgetting one small thing. Go back and read the part where Dr. Hasely talks about how the Flood DNA "appears to have imparted him with some curious regenerative abilities, although I cannot yet fully confirm this side effect." Note the key words there "appears" and "cannot fully confirm." Granted, why would the author mention it if it was not true, but you guys are taking this as solid honest-to-God fact. Still, even these regenrative abilities, the phrasing of it tells me they regenerate Sergeant Johnson, not the Flood DNA. If they regenerated the Flood DNA, I am certain Dr. Hasley would have noticed and informed John. The Flood DNA is the benifactor, not the benifitor, of this 'regenerative' ability, and even if the Sarge's blood did transfere to someone else, the virus has no way to match the new 'host's' nural system, effectively rendering more inate, if not as much so as the DNA in Sarge's body.


Please do not think I am trying to spoil your fun, or crush your theories (or at least not out of meanness,) I just enjoy a good debate over story-lines and such, that's all. ~_^

  • 06.23.2004 10:26 AM PDT
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The whole point of Halsey's conversation with the MC is that she is having moral dilemmas with choices she's made in the past for the greater good.

Boren's Syndrome was killing him, and did protect him from the flood. And the flood dna did create some kind of regenerative abilities.

Halsey hands the MC two data crystals one mentions Johnson had been attacked by the flood and his survival. The other does not. I believe the point of all this was just to show the moral dilemma of giving UNSC the crystal about Johnson surviving the flood, they would surely disect him and probably kill him for research purposes.

I think Johnson will be a character in Halo 2, but not be associated with a plot twist. I think the mention of him and his flood attack in the book was simply to show Halsey's regret toward her past actions.

  • 06.23.2004 11:37 AM PDT
Subject: Sergeant Johnson and the Flood: The Beginning of the End
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yeah, but the point is that he isn't supposed to die you are supposed to keep him alive.
Posted by: Friedhamster


He doesn't die... I was playing Halo (the second level) and when you come to the first base, right before you get the warthog he was there, well later on he died (he was with me in the hog) then I saw him again like ten minutes later at a different escape pod! What gives!?

  • 06.23.2004 12:41 PM PDT
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It's not my fault he got stuck with a plasma.

But anyways my question remains unanswered. How does Sgt. Johnson get off of Halo.4 to earth for Halo 2? Does anyone even know?

  • 06.23.2004 1:26 PM PDT

Posted by: Friedhamster
It's not my fault he got stuck with a plasma.

But anyways my question remains unanswered. How does Sgt. Johnson get off of Halo.4 to earth for Halo 2? Does anyone even know?



To tell you the truth, all the details are a bit sketchy. Johnson, and some others, find a pelican and get off Halo 04 before it is destroyed. I know, you're thinking, "He is shown dieing in the Legendary ending." I think that was just a joke. There is just to much to explain how he gets to Earth... in short, he "jacks a ride.":)

On a side note, I would really suggest reading the books, atleast The Fall of Reach and First Strike. It will fill you in on alot of things about the game, and they're great reads, seriously:)

  • 06.24.2004 12:36 AM PDT
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Posted by: Eagle 117
Posted by: Friedhamster
It's not my fault he got stuck with a plasma.

But anyways my question remains unanswered. How does Sgt. Johnson get off of Halo.4 to earth for Halo 2? Does anyone even know?



To tell you the truth, all the details are a bit sketchy. Johnson, and some others, find a pelican and get off Halo 04 before it is destroyed. I know, you're thinking, "He is shown dieing in the Legendary ending." I think that was just a joke. There is just to much to explain how he gets to Earth... in short, he "jacks a ride.":)

On a side note, I would really suggest reading the books, atleast The Fall of Reach and First Strike. It will fill you in on alot of things about the game, and they're great reads, seriously:)


Eagle, where've you been lately?

Or is it me who's been missing?

  • 06.24.2004 12:39 AM PDT
Subject: Sergeant Johnson: Enemy in disguise?

Posted by: JohnKerensky
Please do not think I am trying to spoil your fun, or crush your theories (or at least not out of meanness,) I just enjoy a good debate over story-lines and such, that's all. ~_^


We understand... atleast I do. Everyone enjoys a good debate, and you bring much to the table. At first you kind of "caught my attention" as one of those people who was looking for a fight. That may have been a misinterpretation on my part, seeing as how your latest post explains your reasoning. You were the first person in the forum to place you thoughts in such "forcefull terms," I guess. That's o.k. though. I'm not going to judge how one argues in a debate. Besides, we all need be passionate about our debates anyways.

[Edited on 6/24/2004 11:40:56 AM]

  • 06.24.2004 12:52 AM PDT
Subject: Sergeant Johnson and the Flood: The Beginning of the End

Hey, Maka. Long time no see. For a while there my computer was, how do you say, giving me HELL! Some worm or something got in my system, but I finally got it fixed. Have I missed anything... I've been hearing rumors of new Mods?

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Posted by: Eagle 117
Hey, Maka. Long time no see. For a while there my computer was, how do you say, giving me HELL! Some worm or something got in my system, but I finally got it fixed. Have I missed anything... I've been hearing rumors of new Mods?


Yea, I've caught of few of your threads, but it's been a lot less than how it used to be

And yes, there are new mods coming :)

  • 06.24.2004 12:58 AM PDT

Posted by: MakaVeli4LIfe1
Yea, I've caught of few of your threads, but it's been a lot less than how it used to be

And yes, there are new mods coming :)


Yea, I've been having trouble finding a balance on topics to talk about. It's getting harder and harder to have an indept discussion in here, and I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. There seems to be a new "allegiance" between the spamers and trolls. So yea, I've been more hesitant with posting topics on theories and such.

Oh yea, are you going to be a mod? I've seen it in a few threads... or is it that your not supposed to talk about that;)

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  • 06.24.2004 1:08 AM PDT
Subject: Sergeant Johnson: Enemy in disguise?
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Posted by: Eagle 117
We understand... atleast I do. Everyone enjoys a good debate, and you bring much to the table. At first you kind of "caught my attention" as one of those people who was looking for a fight. That may have been a misinterpretation on my part, seeing as how your latest post explains your reasoning. You were the first person in the forum to place you thoughts in such "forcefull terms," I guess. That's o.k. though. I'm not going to judge how one argues in a debate. Besides, we all need be passionate about our debates anyways.



Actaully, you are right. v_v I went back to read what I'd first written and the first line was enough... I'm sorry for being insultative, I do not even remember why I wrote it. ::reads more:: ew! Dudes, I'm really sorry, that was waaaaaaay more mean-sounding than it should have been. =(

  • 06.24.2004 4:29 AM PDT

Posted by: JohnKerensky
Posted by: Eagle 117
We understand... atleast I do. Everyone enjoys a good debate, and you bring much to the table. At first you kind of "caught my attention" as one of those people who was looking for a fight. That may have been a misinterpretation on my part, seeing as how your latest post explains your reasoning. You were the first person in the forum to place you thoughts in such "forcefull terms," I guess. That's o.k. though. I'm not going to judge how one argues in a debate. Besides, we all need be passionate about our debates anyways


Actaully, you are right. v_v I went back to read what I'd first written and the first line was enough... I'm sorry for being insultative, I do not even remember why I wrote it. ::reads more:: ew! Dudes, I'm really sorry, that was waaaaaaay more mean-sounding than it should have been. =( .









We all get like that sometimes, it's no big deal:)

  • 06.24.2004 11:28 AM PDT