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Subject: Sergeant Johnson: Enemy in disguise?
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Yeah you -blam!- sucking FA GG OTS

IM just kidding

  • 06.24.2004 2:49 PM PDT

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Yeah you -blam!- sucking FA GG OTS

IM just kidding



I'm comfused?

  • 06.24.2004 6:02 PM PDT
Subject: Sergeant Johnson and the Flood: It ain't over till the fat lady...
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Posted by: Hell Starter
YOu could be on to someting and then again maybe not! Dr. Halsey did say that it was 'dead' and wouldnt infect anything but yes he does have the regenerative abilities! But one thing, he is already dying remember! The disease that saved him from the flood will kill him in less than a year! I think he is going to somehow save some1, maybe even the chief, in this one but sadly die!


Maybe he had some blood tranfusions. Boren's Syndrome sounds like it could be a form of Leukemia (from the way they described it in the book).

  • 06.24.2004 7:36 PM PDT

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Posted by: Hell Starter
YOu could be on to someting and then again maybe not! Dr. Halsey did say that it was 'dead' and wouldnt infect anything but yes he does have the regenerative abilities! But one thing, he is already dying remember! The disease that saved him from the flood will kill him in less than a year! I think he is going to somehow save some1, maybe even the chief, in this one but sadly die!

Maybe he had some blood tranfusions. Boren's Syndrome sounds like it could be a form of Leukemia (from the way they described it in the book).


Boren's Syndrome comes from over exposure to plasma grenades... just incase you weren't sure:)

[Edited on 6/24/2004 10:02:25 PM]

  • 06.24.2004 10:01 PM PDT
Subject: Sergeant Johnson: The Enemy in disguise?
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Well first of all he isnt a hose and dosnt come from troja an..........

He is to stupid to turn into flood he is like buks bunny.....
i think he will die in the first lvl or second last or last like the chief i dont mean mc the gye who turns into flood and you have to punch in the face I LOVE THAR PART. I hope u can kil srg. jonson in every lvl i alwasy kil the goodies i get satisfied by doing soo....

  • 06.25.2004 12:42 AM PDT
Subject: Sergeant Johnson: A Trojan Horse?
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Opinions are like arseholes - everybody has one.

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There is no such thing as a bad decision, only good decisions based on flawed information.

My theory is that this is just an excuse to keep Johnson in the story because he's such a kick-arse character! Sorry if i'm bursting a few bubbles here, it's just my cynical nature!

  • 06.25.2004 3:15 AM PDT

Posted by: Berger
My theory is that this is just an excuse to keep Johnson in the story because he's such a kick-arse character! Sorry if i'm bursting a few bubbles here, it's just my cynical nature!


Yes, I'm sure that is a principle reason for keeping Johnson in the game. We're trying to figure out the possible implications of Johnson's character on the storyline. It seems highly unlikely, atleast to me, that Bungie would write all this info about Johnson just so they would have an excuse to keep him in the game. I personally think there is more to it, but you may be right, and my bubble may be busted:)

[Edited on 8/4/2004 11:23:32 AM]

  • 06.25.2004 12:17 PM PDT
Subject: Sergeant Johnson and the Flood: It ain't over till the fat lady...
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Posted by: Eagle 117
Boren's Syndrome comes from over exposure to plasma grenades... just incase you weren't sure:)


I pointed that out because you CAN get leukemia from prolong exposure to radiation. From the way it is described, Boren's Syndrome is similar to Leukemia. Plasma is a form of radiation from the sun. I read Halo: First Strike, and I read about Leukemia, and I compared the two, and the obvious symptoms of both diseases are similar. The only thing different is that Boren's Syndrome affects the nervous system and Leukemia is a form of blood cancer. Don't all cancers affect the nervous system eventually? When you get a blood cancer like Leukemia, you're usually given a blood transfusion, and chemo. I assume that five hundred years from now, people will still give blood. The DNA from the blood donor that entered Johnson's could mislead the flood's DNA. Hence, protecting him.

I back this information up and stick by what I say, even though Boren's Syndrome only exists in Halo, not is real life. Unless you can come up with solid proof that it DOES exist. ;D

  • 06.26.2004 12:36 AM PDT
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Okay so you say Johnson got off Halo.04 in a Pelican? I don't see how that is possible... Now I'm not trying to to pick this apart I'm just really interested how Bungie is going to explain it. I know they will and I'm sure it will make sense, but right now I just don't see it.

Okay I get the whole Lengendary thing being a joke, cool, no problem. But Pelicans never struck me as being a ship capable of faster than light travel. I mean just look at it. It's a troop transport that's it from what I can tell. And Cortana did say there was only "one Longbow fighter left." So is Bungie going to say one fell out of the PoA and Johnson found it or something? Also why would he even leave Halo.04? As far as I know the only people that even knew about Cortana and MC's plan was them and 343GS.

Like I said I'm not trying to pick this apart and chances are you don't have any more answers than I do. But in the books does it say the Pelicans are able to travel in deep space? If so that would answer one of my big questions. But my second one is, why would Johnson even leave?

  • 06.26.2004 1:36 AM PDT

Posted by: Blueneb
back this information up and stick by what I say, even though Boren's Syndrome only exists in Halo, not is real life. Unless you can come up with solid proof that it DOES exist. ;D


Hey, it all sounds good to me:) The reason I responded to your first post was because it seemed like a statement of "is this right," rather than something you had read up on. I guess I was wrong, and after reading you findings, it make seens to me.

[Edited on 6/26/2004 8:07:58 AM]

  • 06.26.2004 7:40 AM PDT

Posted by:FriedHamster
Okay so you say Johnson got off Halo.04 in a Pelican? I don't see how that is possible... Now I'm not trying to to pick this apart I'm just really interested how Bungie is going to explain it. I know they will and I'm sure it will make sense, but right now I just don't see it.

Okay I get the whole Lengendary thing being a joke, cool, no problem. But Pelicans never struck me as being a ship capable of faster than light travel. I mean just look at it. It's a troop transport that's it from what I can tell. And Cortana did say there was only "one Longbow fighter left." So is Bungie going to say one fell out of the PoA and Johnson found it or something? Also why would he even leave Halo.04? As far as I know the only people that even knew about Cortana and MC's plan was them and 343GS.

Like I said I'm not trying to pick this apart and chances are you don't have any more answers than I do. But in the books does it say the Pelicans are able to travel in deep space? If so that would answer one of my big questions. But my second one is, why would Johnson even leave?



O.K. buddy, don't take this as a mean statement, but [color=yellow]you have to read the book/s if you want the answers:)[/color] I simply can't tell you all this info. It would basically be pulling a Kazaa on Bungie... all that info for free when you can buy the book for 6 dollars. All of your questions, which are well thought out, will be answered once you read the book/s. They are really worth the read, especially seeing as how you have many questions. As a hint to the pelican questions you have, I'll state what I said in my first post to you. Johnson, and others, basically [color=purple]"jack a ride."[/color]:)

[Edited on 6/26/2004 8:11:45 AM]

  • 06.26.2004 7:54 AM PDT
Subject: Sergeant Johnson and the Flood: It ain't over till the fat lady...
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I didn't mean to be so blunt about it, but at first I was going for "is this right". But then I realize was it made more sense to me than the other speculations. I think that leukemia is where they got the idea of Boren's Syndrome from. I also realized that this game is more than a game. It's actually the first videogames that provokes thoughts and philosophies. Overall I have never seen a game this story driven before.

  • 06.26.2004 9:59 AM PDT

Posted by: Blueneb
I also realized that this game is more than a game. It's actually the first videogames that provokes thoughts and philosophies. Overall I have never seen a game this story driven before.


You mean to tell me that you've never played Mario:)

Just as a warning, some of the "ancients" around here would fight you to death over these statement. In the future, make sure you include the Marathon games in a discussion of games that provoke thoughts and philosophies. If not, you may get alot of undeserved grief for it.

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  • 06.26.2004 3:08 PM PDT
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Posted by: Eagle 117

You mean to tell me that you've never played Mario:)

Just as a warning, some of the "ancients" around here would fight you to death over these statement. In the future, make sure you include the Marathon games in a discussion of games that provoke thoughts and philosophies. If not, you may get alot of undeserved grief for it.


Thank you for the valuable piece of information, it was really nice reading it, and well written too. Please do not attack me just for making a statement like that (not say that you are). If anyone has a problem with what I said, they'll tell me. I never played Marathon before anyway. I was only talking about the games I played since I had my XBox. And what I mean by thought provoking is talking about things like "how far is Halo from Earth" and "is there is such thing as Boren's Syndrome." It is truely gifted of them to use different aspects of human history and science and place those concepts in all their (Bungie) games. Videogames have different effects/affects on different people. Some educators considered using videogames as a tool for teaching in classrooms, and I'm not making this up. ;)

To answer your first question, yes I have played Mario, I just don't like that much.

  • 06.26.2004 9:16 PM PDT

Uhhh, the Mario comment was a joke, and I think you took the rest of my comments a little to serious. My comments weren't an "attack" on you. They were mearly a warning that you will get into a lost argument with some of the people around here when you state things like, It's actually the first videogames that provokes thoughts and philosophies.

Oh, if you're only talking about the games you've played, then there isn't an arguement. The only problem is, you never state that you're only talking about the games you've played. Please don't turn this into something it isn't. I'm not attacking you, nor do I have a problem with what you have to say... so don't sweat it:)

  • 06.26.2004 9:34 PM PDT
Subject: Sergeant Johnson: The Enemy in disguise?

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As I see it, Dr Halsey has already isolated or is in the process of isolating the regenerative DNA strands and probably intends on giving those abilities to the spartan she conveniently kidnapped to be used as a test subject. As for the Sgt, it would appear that he gets to be the a watered down version of a Halo Wolverine (my guess). The MC was struck, but because the stinger never made it to his spine, it was not able to insert the contaminating electrical pulses into his nervous system. I didn't see any mention of the contaminating DNA floating around in his system and the Doctor surely would have pondered the possibilty if she had detected it while tending his wounds.

My prediction would be that the current Spartans, along with the second group that Mendez was training will all have a regenerative capability at sometime in the not so distant future.

The real question is will this "twist" become apparant in Halo2 or in the books and possible sequel that inevitably will follow.


As for your 'Halo Wolverine', it's not possible. DNA only actually 'works' if it's in a cell. The DNA present in the Sergeant's system could'nt have granted any abilities, since it wasnt part of a cell. DNA needs a cell in order to carry out it's many functions. Without a cell to utilize it's information, DNA is nothing more than a bundle of proteins.

  • 06.26.2004 9:48 PM PDT
Subject: Sergeant Johnson and the Flood: The Beginning of the End
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i lost my copie of First Strike! waaaaaa.

  • 06.26.2004 9:57 PM PDT
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Rest assured, Johnson will not turn into a Combat Form. Yes, he does have genes from the Flood in his DNA, but these are dead, or so Dr. Halsey says. Also, the Infection Forms, infect you by inserting a penentrator into your skin and touching your spinal cord. They then force a resonant match with the electronic signals sent from your nervous system. By "interfacing" with your nervous system, they are able to seize your musculature and move you about. They then inject you with some chemical that changes your cellular structure and turns you into a Combat Form. Then, what happens is unclear. Lieutenant McKay, in Halo: The Flood explains to Major Silva that Elites and Humans have enough biomass to be transformed into Combat Forms. She then goes on to say that inconclusive data leads some to believe that Grunts and Jackals are like "nuclei" that Carrier Forms form around. But then, in Halo: First Strike Cortana mentions that Combat Forms, if able to survive for an unspecified period of time, are able to transform into Carrier Forms. There is still much light to be shed on this subject.

  • 06.26.2004 10:20 PM PDT

Posted by: Lysander
Rest assured, Johnson will not turn into a Combat Form. Yes, he does have genes from the Flood in his DNA, but these are dead, or so Dr. Halsey says.


Halsey also says that the dead Flood DNA left behind intact gene fragments. These fragments, Halsey goes on to say, appear to have given Johnson some new regenerative abilities, which is the key to this discussion. While I agree with you that Johnson himself will not turn into a Flood form, I don't think that makes any difference. If Johnson is carrying intact Flood gene fragments in his body, who have started some sort of regenerative ( to reform completely; to give or gain new life ) process, he might as well be a carrier form. If any of his DNA comes in contact with an other organism, then all Hell is going to break loose:)

[Edited on 6/26/2004 11:14:57 PM]

  • 06.26.2004 11:13 PM PDT
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Rest assured, Johnson will not turn into a Combat Form. Yes, he does have genes from the Flood in his DNA, but these are dead, or so Dr. Halsey says.


Halsey also says that the dead Flood DNA left behind intact gene fragments. These fragments, Halsey goes on to say, appear to have given Johnson some new regenerative abilities, which is the key to this discussion. While I agree with you that Johnson himself will not turn into a Flood form, I don't think that makes any difference. If Johnson is carrying intact Flood gene fragments in his body, who have started some sort of regenerative ( to reform completely; to give or gain new life ) process, he might as well be a carrier form. If any of his DNA comes in contact with an other organism, then all Hell is going to break loose:)

If I remember correctly, "Doc Halsey" said that the intact gene fragments (sounds like an oxymoron, intact fragments) have given the Sarge curious regenerative abilities. I can see how you might fear that these gene fragments might awaken, and cause anyone the Sarge comes into contact with to become infected. Or actually, you probably mean if his blood comes into contact with someone elses blood. I see your point, but that person will not turn into a Combat Form. My theorem is that for the chemicals which the Infection Forms inject into your bloodstream can only alter your cellular structure if the Infection Form has interfaced with your nervous system first. If the chemicals somehow (not naturally, if I can say such a thing) enter your bloodstream via a different way than an Infection Form, then your body will recognize it as a pathogen and destroy it. If the Infection Form has interfaced first, then your body will not recognize the chemicals, and you will be converted. Hope that I explained all of that intelligently, and intelligibly.

  • 06.26.2004 11:37 PM PDT
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Okay, okay! Hahaha, yeah I know I need to read the books! I will... soon... maybe I'll get them one, all, whatever tomorrow I dunno we'll see. I'm in the middle of a different book right now so I don't think I'd start it right away anyhow but I will read them and when I do I'm sure I'll be able to come back with a whole slew of questions/ideas/etc.

  • 06.27.2004 3:01 AM PDT
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whoa this guy who started the thread is really on to something!!! good reading comprehension! watch bungie lock this thread and say they need a few more months to fix some technical bugs!

  • 06.27.2004 6:49 AM PDT
Subject: Sergeant Johnson and the Flood: It ain't over till the fat lady...
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I believe that the term Borens syndrome in the book originated from Dr. Jim Boren and i think that this case of the insect he discovered could relate to the actual flood spores attaching onto thier hosts.
Read on...

Sabre Tooth Ticks


Dr. Jim Boren, foreman of Oklahoma's famous Tick Ranch, announced a "major breakthrough in the genetic engineering of ticks." Speaking to a group of political scientists at the Iguana Cafe in Tahlequah, Oklahoma, Boren revealed the results of a year-long study conducted in the laboratories at his 35-acre Tick Ranch.
"We are making progress in our research to develop the world's first Sabre Tooth Ticks," Boren said. "These are a bloodthirsty and aggressive breed of ticks. Larger than deer ticks, they have bulldog-like jaws which facilitate their ATTACHMENT TO NURTURING HOSTS."

"Behavioral studies conducted with the few specimens produced in the laboratories indicate the Sabre Tooth Ticks are political creatures. They extend open palms as they approach potential hosts, and emit grunting or harrrumphal sounds as they launch their attack. Like the speeches of most Washington politicians, their sounds make no sense, but they seem to be comforting to themselves and their colleagues as they extract the blood from non-voting citizens," Boren said. "Non-voters are their favorite targets."

  • 06.27.2004 8:13 AM PDT
Subject: Sergeant Johnson and the Flood: The Beginning of the End

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Rest assured, Johnson will not turn into a Combat Form. Yes, he does have genes from the Flood in his DNA, but these are dead, or so Dr. Halsey says.


Posted by: Eagle 117
Halsey also says that the dead Flood DNA left behind intact gene fragments. These fragments, Halsey goes on to say, appear to have given Johnson some new regenerative abilities, which is the key to this discussion. While I agree with you that Johnson himself will not turn into a Flood form, I don't think that makes any difference. If Johnson is carrying intact Flood gene fragments in his body, who have started some sort of regenerative ( to reform completely; to give or gain new life ) process, he might as well be a carrier form. If any of his DNA comes in contact with an other organism, then all Hell is going to break loose:)


Posted by: Lysander
If I remember correctly, "Doc Halsey" said that the intact gene fragments (sounds like an oxymoron, intact fragments) have given the Sarge curious regenerative abilities. I can see how you might fear that these gene fragments might awaken, and cause anyone the Sarge comes into contact with to become infected. Or actually, you probably mean if his blood comes into contact with someone elses blood. I see your point, but that person will not turn into a Combat Form. My theorem is that for the chemicals which the Infection Forms inject into your bloodstream can only alter your cellular structure if the Infection Form has interfaced with your nervous system first. If the chemicals somehow (not naturally, if I can say such a thing) enter your bloodstream via a different way than an Infection Form, then your body will recognize it as a pathogen and destroy it. If the Infection Form has interfaced first, then your body will not recognize the chemicals, and you will be converted. Hope that I explained all of that intelligently, and intelligibly.


Yes, you explain yourself well, and I think I understand it all... I think:)

My main concern centers around this new "regenerative process," not the gene fragments. Let me explain. The Flood genes usually reform the victims body into a Flood form. In Johnson's case, they could not do that, so they died... right? If they died, and this is why I center my thoughts on the regenerative process, then what is reforming Johnson's cellular structure? To have a regenerative process going on inside his body means he is being refomed completly on the cellular level. He is literally being given, or gaining, new life. Either one of two things is causing this to happen. First, the left over gene fragments are more potient then we are led to believe. Gene fragments alone can not reform Johnson's cellular structure into something new. To reform cellular structure sounds more like the "dead" Flood genes doing. This leads me to my second possiblity; which is, the Flood genes are not dead; but rather, they are in a state of hibernation. They are waiting out the storm, so to say, of Johnson's body untill a more suitable victim is found. In either case, Johnson has unknowingly become a "Trojan horse" for the Flood. This is why I see Johnson as a key character to the storyline. We know so little about his condition, a condition that could possibly lead to two outcomes. The Flood returning, or Johnson's resurrection, if not both:)

Now you may be thinking, "the regenerative process was probably started before the Flood genes died off," and this explains were it came from. Well, in my opinion, that doesn't make a difference. The regenerative process will completly reform (Webster's Dict.) Johnson and everything in his body, including the dead Flood cells. This effectively gives/gains Johnson new life, and same could be said about Flood genes. The Flood genes have basically created a "stale mate" untill an other victim comes in contact with them, or Johnson's blood/DNA.




[Edited on 6/27/2004 1:43:57 PM]

  • 06.27.2004 10:56 AM PDT

Posted by: Friedhamster
Okay, okay! Hahaha, yeah I know I need to read the books! I will... soon... maybe I'll get them one, all, whatever tomorrow I dunno we'll see. I'm in the middle of a different book right now so I don't think I'd start it right away anyhow but I will read them and when I do I'm sure I'll be able to come back with a whole slew of questions/ideas/etc.


Sorry I couldn't fill you in more on the story. I really would like to, but like I said, it wouldn't be right. Oh, if you figure out that hint I gave you then most of you questions will be answered.

  • 06.27.2004 11:22 AM PDT