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Subject: Elites and Spartans SHOULD have different abilities in MP
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I don't think it would be cheap. I think it would help the game because you need a better strategy. Like if you were an elite, (with my abilities) it would be better to dual wield 2 plasma rifles than to dual wield 2 smg's. It makes you think on your feet, and I think it would make the game feel better.

  • 06.21.2004 5:18 PM PDT
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they have to change some of their abilities... I mean it really is nothing special if all that is different is that you dont look the same. There really is no point to allowing elites to be played in MP if they dont have differences.

  • 06.21.2004 5:19 PM PDT

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Splinter Cell tried their best to balance out Mercs and Spies but failed and Mercs are overall the best.

If Halo 2 had different abilities per each race then it wouldnt be about skill, it would be about luck. For instance say elites are better in ghosts. Your a spartan, in a ghost and you die because the elite was faster than you. Its about how lucky you are in each situation then.

Whereas if everyone had the same potential as each other, only skill decides the victor. Not luck!

"equal = balance" and balance is good!

  • 06.21.2004 5:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: ash55
Splinter Cell tried their best to balance out Mercs and Spies but failed and Mercs are overall the best.
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This is getting off topic, but I was in a game and was a spy. I took out 2 mercenaries easily. All advantages and disadvantages vary during certain situations.

  • 06.21.2004 5:24 PM PDT
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Posted by: Killer LazyBoy
All advantages and disadvantages vary during certain situations.


EXACTLY!
and you should be able to exploit them and use them to your potential in order to kill the other race easily

it will require more thinking in the game


[Edited on 6/21/2004 5:26:01 PM]

  • 06.21.2004 5:25 PM PDT
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exactly!

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if they aren't exactly the same, i'll be so pissed, i'll jhust... buy the game, play enjoy myself, but i'll be pised while i do it

  • 06.21.2004 5:27 PM PDT

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Posted by: Killer LazyBoy
Posted by: ash55
Splinter Cell tried their best to balance out Mercs and Spies but failed and Mercs are overall the best.
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This is getting off topic, but I was in a game and was a spy. I took out 2 mercenaries easily. All advantages and disadvantages vary during certain situations.


I was using an example to compare this thread to :P
And its generally easier to be a merc than a spy, ask anyone.

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See the problem with this is that everyone will end up having a favorite. This happened with Pandora Tomorrow. And it escelates to the point where some people refuse to play the side that isn't their favorite, and then the teams are unbalanced. I know this won't be as big of a problem, because the servers aren't limited to four players, and the total number of players will be much larger, but I still think it's a bad idea.

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Posted by: ash55
If Halo 2 had different abilities per each race then it wouldnt be about skill, it would be about luck. For instance say elites are better in ghosts. Your a spartan, in a ghost and you die because the elite was faster than you. Its about how lucky you are in each situation then.

no, luck would not determine the victor. The person with the disadvantage has to find a way around his disadvantage and made use one of his advantages to kill the other player.

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Posted by: jharbst
See the problem with this is that everyone will end up having a favorite. And it escelates to the point where some people refuse to play the side that isn't their favorite, and then the teams are unbalanced.

yes, there is the fact that they might be way different, although there may be gametypes where there are all elites or all spartans in order to eliminate this problem.

but lets just say they were different. The worse race could be used as a handicap. For example, the good people would be placed on the bad race and vice-versa. In a way it can help make things more blanced.

[Edited on 6/21/2004 5:33:21 PM]

  • 06.21.2004 5:32 PM PDT
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Posted by: TheSpartan no117
lots of things, the elites are faster, stronger, and more agile.
spartans can take more damage, smarter, better accuracy maybe?


The smartness depends on how smart the person playing is.

  • 06.21.2004 5:36 PM PDT
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well i was speaking in regards to the actual storyline

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Balance is a precarious thing one slight discrepancy can ruin the whole thing (like in Halo 1 when people learned to use the pistol to their advantage) I'm against diffrences between the sides I think they should keep it as is with the only diffrences being cosmetic and with the hud

  • 06.21.2004 5:45 PM PDT

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I am sooooo glad you arent making this game, Thespartanno117 thats all I can say....

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wow, thats all you can come up with
no actual facts, opinions, or reasonings.
you just gotta flame me?
i will laugh if they do have their differences

  • 06.21.2004 5:53 PM PDT

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Posted by: TheSpartan no117
wow, thats all you can come up with
no actual facts, opinions, or reasonings.
you just gotta flame me?
i will laugh if they do have their differences


Flame you? That wasnt a flame, I was saying my opinion. I just cant be bothered repeating myself, I posted what I wanted to say above and you just countered it wit ha scenario that proves my point.

Basically, I'm done with talking to you. Oh! And when your playing the game maybe THEN you will understand why your little theory doesnt work.

[Edited on 6/21/2004 6:01:15 PM]

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countered it with a scenario that proves your point?

  • 06.21.2004 5:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: TheSpartan no117
Posted by: ash55
If Halo 2 had different abilities per each race then it wouldnt be about skill, it would be about luck. For instance say elites are better in ghosts. Your a spartan, in a ghost and you die because the elite was faster than you. Its about how lucky you are in each situation then.

no, luck would not determine the victor. The person with the disadvantage has to find a way around his disadvantage and made use one of his advantages to kill the other player.


^That proves my point read VERY CAREFULLY. If your being gunned down by a superior ghost its just not fair. You cant "work your way around it" until you find a warthog.

If you still dont understand this yet I give up....

  • 06.21.2004 6:00 PM PDT
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it would take bungie forever to sucessfully balance all these stupid ideas out. You are talking about having pretty much more than one character in halo games you can play. there should be only one. the master cheif. I'm not against the being able to play as an elite in multiplayer because that's different, its like "oh i'm an elite" not "oh i'm the good elite" if you have differen't colors with different ablities then of corse the gold elites would be best and everyone would use them. and then you would't be able to change your color either because then if you want to be blue then your guy is all -blam!-. i think its best just to make the elite and spartans equal. screw these complicated, do nothing for the game ideas. simple is better anyways and thats what made halo fun. It wasn't one of those stupid games where you get to pick and choose adn raise the charater from birth and catch pokemon with. its just a kick ass character that kicks ass, then you go around kicking so much ass the kicked ass kicks its own ass!

  • 06.21.2004 6:01 PM PDT
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i appreciate the people against this -blam!- for brains idea

  • 06.21.2004 6:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: KALMAH
it would take bungie forever to sucessfully balance all these stupid ideas out. You are talking about having pretty much more than one character in halo games you can play. there should be only one. the master cheif. I'm not against the being able to play as an elite in multiplayer because that's different, its like "oh i'm an elite" not "oh i'm the good elite" if you have differen't colors with different ablities then of corse the gold elites would be best and everyone would use them. and then you would't be able to change your color either because then if you want to be blue then your guy is all -blam!-. i think its best just to make the elite and spartans equal. screw these complicated, do nothing for the game ideas. simple is better anyways and thats what made halo fun. It wasn't one of those stupid games where you get to pick and choose adn raise the charater from birth and catch pokemon with. its just a kick ass character that kicks ass, then you go around kicking so much ass the kicked ass kicks its own ass!


exactly...

  • 06.21.2004 6:02 PM PDT
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thats the whole freaking theory of my point retard
yeah sure one race will be better at some things but the point is that you have to use your advantages and watch out for and have a way to defend against your disadvantages,
e.x. have a rocket launcher....

  • 06.21.2004 6:03 PM PDT
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don't worry ash, i'm glad people like thespartanno117 aren't making halo 2 either

  • 06.21.2004 6:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: TheSpartan no117
thats the whole freaking theory of my point retard
yeah sure one race will be better at some things but the point is that you have to use your advantages and watch out for and have a way to defend against your disadvantages,
e.x. have a rocket launcher....


Errr...but then the spartans would all have rocket launchers??? Bad idea...

  • 06.21.2004 6:04 PM PDT

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