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Posted by: flamedude
i know the books say that brutes (pah) can rip hunters in half, but this just seems wrong. They dont seem to be big or strong enough to do that, maybe its just me but it just seems like a lot of crap.

Arent hunters meant to be the best ground fighters in the covenant??


its in the books that brutes are the best and bungie confirmed this by letting them publish the book and yes hunter WERE the best ground fighters before covies discovered brutes and had them join them.

  • 06.22.2004 6:24 AM PDT

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Me: "That's the 4th time in this game alone!"
Chris: "Third, besides he had the flag I was trying to stop him, how was I supposed to know you were there."
Me: "I said, 'I got the Flag, don't shoot.'"
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Posted by: mojonation1487
i seriously doubt theres gonna be a civil war. hes perfect instrument to take down thier mortal enemy. the master chief. that has been the plan for years. thats why the counsel wanted that elite and yayap to kill the MC. he is thier biggest enemy of the human race. MC has killed thousands upon thousands of covies so they want to return the favor to the big guy.


Well Bungie has been hinting at the Brute/Elite hatred so much, something is up. Also, it wasn't the counsel that wanted MC dead, it was the Elite that got the Cousel to recognize MC as a main threat thus giving him the chance to go after him and possibly kill him, giving him a promotion and acclaim, etc. We still do not know why the Covenant started attacking us, that has yet to be seen. And the Prophets are hiding something, like the collection of all those Forerunner artifacts, he said that it would be added, and then another great treasure from the great ones will be lost.

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  • 06.22.2004 6:28 AM PDT
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Posted by: flamedude
i know the books say that brutes (pah) can rip hunters in half, but this just seems wrong. They dont seem to be big or strong enough to do that, maybe its just me but it just seems like a lot of crap.


Well, I think they are strong enough, think about Brutes as being like huge gorillas, and we all know that gorillas can rip virtually anything apart, now multiply a gorilla times 10 and you have a Brute.

  • 06.22.2004 6:28 AM PDT

Me: "OMFG, Dude... wtf!"
AbolitionofMan: "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to betray you."
Me: "That's the 4th time in this game alone!"
Chris: "Third, besides he had the flag I was trying to stop him, how was I supposed to know you were there."
Me: "I said, 'I got the Flag, don't shoot.'"
Chris: "Well those Wraith shots take a while to reach you."
Me: "You were right next to me, I had killed him and a minute passed before you decided to shoot."
Chris: "Hahahahaha, yeah... that was great."

Hunter's are supposed to be like, the armored tanks of the Covenant Ground Forces. Really strong, powerful, and armored fighters. Like the huge Trolls in LOTR. And they are always in pairs, (which is beyong me).

Achilles

  • 06.22.2004 6:29 AM PDT
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times ten plus a couple rhinos maybe an elephant here and there. lol

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Yes Brutes are the strongest and probably the fastest (dont remember if it said faster in the books). However, there dont seem to be as many as the Elites, and Elites would still have tactical advantages. That being said, however weak you think the Brutes look, they're damn strong, and I bet taking on more than one at a time is gonna be like dealing with a group of gold elites from Halo, one slip and you're toast

  • 06.22.2004 6:30 AM PDT

Me: "OMFG, Dude... wtf!"
AbolitionofMan: "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to betray you."
Me: "That's the 4th time in this game alone!"
Chris: "Third, besides he had the flag I was trying to stop him, how was I supposed to know you were there."
Me: "I said, 'I got the Flag, don't shoot.'"
Chris: "Well those Wraith shots take a while to reach you."
Me: "You were right next to me, I had killed him and a minute passed before you decided to shoot."
Chris: "Hahahahaha, yeah... that was great."

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Posted by: flamedude
i know the books say that brutes (pah) can rip hunters in half, but this just seems wrong. They dont seem to be big or strong enough to do that, maybe its just me but it just seems like a lot of crap.


Well, I think they are strong enough, think about Brutes as being like huge gorillas, and we all know that gorillas can rip virtually anything apart, now multiply a gorilla times 10 and you have a Brute.


Also, they are prepared to fight US, and the Spartans. I mean... 3 shot to the head to kill it!!! 2 to just get the -blam!-ing helmet off and then one to the exposed head. Hard to kill is an understandment.

Achilles

  • 06.22.2004 6:31 AM PDT
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Actually, the Brutes weren't doen yet, the AI anyway. And they were using Grunt AI. Bungie has said that they will be much harder, and if they are as formidable and vaunted as they are made out to be, I'd rather tangle with a group Gold Elites than one of them.
I never knew about the AI they were using, thanks for the Information Achilles, and yeah, I agree with your statment about the Gold Elites or the Brute, they are made out to be pretty badas...

  • 06.22.2004 6:33 AM PDT
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You are comparing Brutes to Hunters in armor. Who know if Bungie meant armored Hunters when they said they could be ripped in half. The hunters seem like they would be wimpy without armor. I don't think anything could rip through that armor with just their bare hands.

  • 06.22.2004 7:06 AM PDT
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There are skeches of hunters without their armor somewhere, maybe here or it might have been ion the strategy guide, they are pretty thin.

Any way I heard that the brutes are the toughest and fastest warriors in the covenant army. But about the statement of 1 brute being as hard as a group of gold elites is a bit off. If there are multiple targets it is MUCH harder to fight them. so if there were 3 elites it would be the equivalent of something like 6 times their indivisual power. Its much easier if there is only 1 target, no matter how tough he is

  • 06.22.2004 7:18 AM PDT
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from the June OXM:

"Elites don't like Brutes, and Brutes don't like them - and most likely you'll see some of this in action."

We shall see on November 9th who is the greater warrior, Brute or Elite.

  • 06.22.2004 7:56 AM PDT
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I think we'll capture a prophet.

  • 06.22.2004 7:59 AM PDT
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Posted by: Zels
There are skeches of hunters without their armor somewhere, maybe here or it might have been ion the strategy guide, they are pretty thin.


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  • 06.22.2004 8:12 AM PDT
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No way the brutes can take an Elite, even if the brutes are stronger than the elites it doesn't matter, muscles don't win wars, brains does. Elites always going to be the best of the best of the covenant army. I mean, Elites are suposed to be the counter part of the spartans, they're smart, strong, fast, and have the most famous battlecry of all time. The Brutes maybe are faster and stronger than some elites, but there's no way a brute can take a spec ops elite. By the time a brute rush to him, he would have a plasma nade sticked to his ass, lol, that would be cool to watch.

Wort Wort Wort!!!!!!.

Long live the Elites!.

  • 06.22.2004 8:27 AM PDT
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As much as I hate to disagree you are slightly wrong in your assumption. I have always preferred tactics to brute force, however, say the elite did stick a brute with a plasma nade. the brute would rush up to him still ready to attack and they would both die. in some cases, not all, speed and strength will massively outnumber brains. especially in high-speed combat where brains have to move as fast as the other guys muscles.

  • 06.22.2004 8:54 AM PDT
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Posted by: Masterchief08
somewhere here earlier they said they are strong like hunters and elites. From the E3 they looked pretty strong.


Nope. They are stronger than hunters and faster than elites. The weild a plasma cannon thingy that is very powerful. OXM said the only easy way to kill them is to shoot off their helmet with the battle rifle and then go for a couple head shots. Otherwise it is futile to try and kill them due to the amount of armor they wear.

Apparently, they protect the prophets and hate the elites with a passion. Perhaps we will see them fighting the elites in campaign. The Covenant Caste is very unstable.

  • 06.22.2004 8:59 AM PDT
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Posted by: E1337
As much as I hate to disagree you are slightly wrong in your assumption. I have always preferred tactics to brute force, however, say the elite did stick a brute with a plasma nade. the brute would rush up to him still ready to attack and they would both die. in some cases, not all, speed and strength will massively outnumber brains. especially in high-speed combat where brains have to move as fast as the other guys muscles.


A plasma grenade didn't kill a hunter, so what makes you think it will kill a brute? they have much more armor than hunters and allows them to take a tremendous beating. I don't even know if nothing short of a scorpion tank shell will kill them. (unless you take off their helmet and get a head shot) You could probably wear them down with smaller weapons and eventually kill them, but it will be hard. And since they are fast, they won't be easy to dodge like the hunters were.

  • 06.22.2004 9:02 AM PDT
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All you Elite fan boys out there, get it through your head.

BRUTES ARE STRONGER AND FASTER THAN ELITES

BUT...

This doesnt mean that Brutes are SMARTER than Elites...

For example: A Brute on a ghost in the e3 2003 movie just drives full force into a wall without trying to stop. Smart? HELLZ NO!

What some people forget is that a Brute almost choked master cheif do death, and some brutes even KILLED A SPARTAN (First Strike).

  • 06.22.2004 9:08 AM PDT
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Firstly, I was simply replying to some else's post. Not stating that I believed a plasma grenade could kill a brute.

Secondly, he could be referring to a worn-down brute. Or a real-life situation. After all, I think the odds are somewhat higher that a hunter could be killed by a grenade in a non-game situation. The game makes them less vulnerable to grenades to compensate for slowness.

  • 06.22.2004 9:11 AM PDT
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get me a friggin shot gun an ill see whose stronger and harder to kill!!!!

  • 06.22.2004 9:43 AM PDT

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Well,brutes look..like an all around guy,they're sort of smart,yeah they drive um,ghosts,GUESS BRUTE FANS,i'd liek to know why they put Elites as the Covenant Commanders????????????,oh and i cna't wait to beat the hell out of those wanna be hunters>brutes.

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  • 06.22.2004 10:07 AM PDT
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personally, i'd like to see a covie civil war with grunts & elites & hunters v. brutes & jackals & prophets. i'd be on the side w/the elites, hell yeah, cause jackals are just mangy, punk-ass 13 year olds who found the keys to their father's liquor cabinets.

  • 06.22.2004 11:05 AM PDT
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You know what I found interesting? On page 312 of the book Halo: First Strike, there was one instance where the Master Chief and his group went up against some Brutes, but here's the part that got me: the Brute that attacked the Master Chief took a whole rifle clip from a battle rifle and it didn't stop him from trying to choke the Master Chief to death. Granted, in the E3 2003 demo, the Brutes didn't seem like much, but they were still in development, so not everything could be showcased then.

  • 06.22.2004 11:23 AM PDT
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also remember that when showing the new armour at this years E3, the bungie associate called the elite "the iron core of the covenant army". This shows that elites are equal or better than brutes, as the prophets would choose wisely.

  • 06.22.2004 11:31 AM PDT
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Well, that could mean that they are as numerous as they are tough, with their shields and natural strength, but that doesn't mean that the Brutes aren't better than the Elites. There are going to be many variables and such that'll give the Elites and Brutes their own strengths and weaknesses, such as the full body shielding of the Elites and the great strength and endurance of the Brutes. I'd rather wait until November 9th than make assumptions, because, as one of my teachers have said before, "if you assume, you make an arse out of you and me." :-)

  • 06.22.2004 11:37 AM PDT

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