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Subject: Why did you hate the M6D Pistol?
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If you hated the M6D pistol, please state why and how often you used it. Your opinions are appreciated.

[Edited on 3/3/2005 10:33:24 PM]

  • 02.12.2005 3:21 PM PDT
Subject: The M6D Pistol

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Terminal, Multi-Team Slayer BR
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Score: 39 Spree: 16 Deaths: 8 Medals:17 (8 Doubles, 2 Triples, 1 Killtackular, 4 Sprees, 1 Riot, 1 Rampage) Accuracy: 46% Head Shots: 9
Moral of the story: Gauss Hog for President.

The M6D pistol was one of the greatest conceptual weapons of all time. It was suprisingly powerful, had a sleak design, and dominated all forms of Halo 1 play, but I still would say that it is also one of the cheapest weapon of all time.

If you read my post 'A complaint about Halo 1........for once." in the Library (this forum) I go into great detail why I think so. But if you don't want to search for it in the first few pages of the forum boards you don't have to, because I'll explain some of my thoughts again.

The pistol made Halo 1 what it was. All of the game play centered around picking up the little silver gun because you could use it in any situation. I think that that is why I would have to say that it is a horribly cheap weapon. While I love the power and design that make the Halo 1 pistol almost perfect, I hate the fact that it is overused in all gametypes. If you are any good, and you had a pistol you could beat almost anyone. I think that the changes Bungie made to the Halo 2 pistol were definitely needed. It balances the weapons out, and makes game play much more interesting and diverse.

ps I loved the pistol, but people should stop complaining about losing it, Bungie made the right choice.

[Edited on 2/12/2005 6:18:29 PM]

  • 02.12.2005 6:17 PM PDT

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You know whats weird is that there was kind of a downgrade in technology. A super pistol to a normal pistol.


I can explain it though. Not the truth but it would fit in the books. On the Pillar of Autum the Spartans originall had there own weapons locker with there own guns. This locker got destoryed during the fight for Reach. Maybe in the books they could somehow explain that the pistol used in H1 was a spartan pistol were as the one in H2 was a normal everyday marine pistol. I know this isnt true in any way, but it could be used as an excuse,

  • 02.12.2005 8:57 PM PDT
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Yea the pistol is insanely cheap. BUT the game is still fun as hell, thats what i love about it. And im still playing it 8)

[Edited on 2/12/2005 10:49:19 PM]

  • 02.12.2005 10:48 PM PDT
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I think you're overblowing this "cheapness" thing. It has the same use as the new Battle Rifle in Halo 2. Very accurate, zoom capability, and the head-shot master. I think Bungie just wanted to change their most useful weapon from a pistol to a machine gun.

The explosive rounds in the pistol is what made it powerful. The three (non-explosive) rounds from the BR equals out to be just as powerful...and you have a better chance for a head shot with the 3 bullets in one burst. They both fire 12 times in a clip, too.

Think about if you could play with the Halo 2 weapons in Halo 1. Do you know how easy it would be? The BR is much more "cheaper" than the pistol, if you want to put it that way. The only reason people say the pistol sucks is because it's simply a pistol - and pistols shouldn't be that powerful.

Well here's news: Bungie didn't take the pistol away - they just substituted 1 explosive round for 3 non-explosive rounds and call it a BR. Rate of fire is a little lower in the BR, but I'll take it considering how powerful and accurate it is.

  • 02.13.2005 6:09 AM PDT
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The reason I ahte the M6D pistol is because everytime we played multiplayer there was always some rednack sniping everybody.

And it pissed me off

the enemy of my enemy is my friend

[Edited on 2/13/2005 11:22:12 AM]

  • 02.13.2005 11:21 AM PDT

Turn my headphones up! Turn them -blam!-s up!

Terminal, Multi-Team Slayer BR
50-30-28-17
Score: 39 Spree: 16 Deaths: 8 Medals:17 (8 Doubles, 2 Triples, 1 Killtackular, 4 Sprees, 1 Riot, 1 Rampage) Accuracy: 46% Head Shots: 9
Moral of the story: Gauss Hog for President.

Three_Shot, when I say cheap everyone else understands. It only takes 3 quick blasts to the head to kill someone with the old pistol! 1) How could a pistol do that? 2) Battle rifle takes 4-5 head shots, and is a rifle (much more realistic). The BR is much less cheap, lower rate of fire, more shots to kill, and it is actually believable that a rifle could do that kind of damage. How could you say the BR is cheap compared to the pistol? Taking just the amount of time for the kill into effect the pistol wins out everytime.

ps no pistol is that powerful (even with explosive rounds).

  • 02.13.2005 12:42 PM PDT
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I meant "cheap" as far as how "cheaply" or "easily" you can kill somebody with it. Imagine the BR in Halo 1. (Keep in mind the Halo 2 battle suit is a Mark 6, much more powerful than the Mark 5 suit). It would probably be even more effective than the pistol in a Halo 1 multiplayer match. Then you would hear, "Those BR wielding cheapasses piss me off!" Because it would take two shots and 1 bullet from the third to put someone in Halo 1 to sleep.

I understand that the pistol is an (incredibly) overpowering pistol, but nobody would have had a problem with that gun if it were shaped like a rifle and performed exactly the same. The simple fact is that its usefulness is exactly the same as the BR in Halo 2. And my imagination leads me to believe that we'll have a pistol in 2552 that can actually shoot stronger rounds than we have today.

If you have a problem with the Halo 1 pistol in multiplayer, then you have agility problems. I never experienced anyone dominating a map with the pistol. It is useful, especially when somebody's shield is down from a rocket, grenade, or sniper shot. You can quickly pull it on somebody for a quick kill. But hell if I've ever seen my friends or me get owned by a pistol wielder. It takes 4 or 5 shots to kill somebody with the pistol if they aren't head shots; if you can't get out of the way after 3 shots, you deserve to die. And if they get a head shot, I give them kudos.

In conclusion, I just think it's part of Halo in general. A zoomable, accurate weapon that is the best "finisher" in the campaign and multiplayer modes. There are no better weapons than the pistol and BR for fighting un-shielded enemies. It's too bad they didn't make the pistol a single-shot rifle that acted the same as the pistol...we wouldn't be complaning so much...but I'm glad there was a weapon LIKE that in Halo 1, and it was the pistol.

PS to your PS: Trust me, there are heavy pistols and revolvers out there that could put a bear down with one good shot. Without the explosive rounds either.

  • 02.13.2005 4:15 PM PDT
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Posted by: Lt_Halo117
The reason I ahte the M6D pistol is because everytime we played multiplayer there was always some rednack sniping everybody.

And it pissed me off

the enemy of my enemy is my friend


Did you fight back with the pistol?

  • 02.13.2005 6:00 PM PDT
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Pistol + sniper or rocket = cannot go wrong

  • 02.13.2005 6:08 PM PDT
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  • 02.13.2005 6:10 PM PDT
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The pistol in Halo was revolutinary in video game history because it didn't suck. In nearly all other video games the pistol was the crappiest weapon available. I think people hate it because it doesn't suck and they weren't prepared for it (I wasn't). Adding a scope seems to really piss these people off. Personally, this pistol has to be the best ever. The Halo 2 pistol on the other hand......

  • 02.13.2005 7:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: Lt_Halo117
The reason I ahte the M6D pistol is because everytime we played multiplayer there was always some rednack sniping everybody.

And it pissed me off

the enemy of my enemy is my friend


You misspelled redneck. Oh, and so when people use the sniper rifle you don't care do you?

  • 02.13.2005 7:37 PM PDT
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Posted by: BoxMonster13
Three_Shot, when I say cheap everyone else understands. It only takes 3 quick blasts to the head to kill someone with the old pistol! 1) How could a pistol do that? 2) Battle rifle takes 4-5 head shots, and is a rifle (much more realistic). The BR is much less cheap, lower rate of fire, more shots to kill, and it is actually believable that a rifle could do that kind of damage. How could you say the BR is cheap compared to the pistol? Taking just the amount of time for the kill into effect the pistol wins out everytime.

ps no pistol is that powerful (even with explosive rounds).


Ever heard of a .357 Magnum? Or a Desert Eagle? Guess not.

  • 02.13.2005 7:43 PM PDT

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Is it so cheap is everyone has a pistol? Thats how i play most of the time just to keep thgings fun.

  • 02.13.2005 8:19 PM PDT

Turn my headphones up! Turn them -blam!-s up!

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Score: 39 Spree: 16 Deaths: 8 Medals:17 (8 Doubles, 2 Triples, 1 Killtackular, 4 Sprees, 1 Riot, 1 Rampage) Accuracy: 46% Head Shots: 9
Moral of the story: Gauss Hog for President.

Actually Vegas, I have, but think about it. Even if the pistol is as powerful as a Mangum or Desert Eagle, it has to cut through the shields and chief's armor not just bullet proof vests, AND because the barrels on pistols are not long, the rifling cannot create enough twist and velocity on the bullet to make it accurate. Even the Desert Eagle isn't accurate at the ranges the Halo1 pistol is. No pistol, even in the future can be super powerful AND accurate, there are just limitations because of the style of the weapon. Sorry.

ps try again, and don't pull this military crap out, it is Halo, and your argument is still flawed.

  • 02.13.2005 9:23 PM PDT

Turn my headphones up! Turn them -blam!-s up!

Terminal, Multi-Team Slayer BR
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Score: 39 Spree: 16 Deaths: 8 Medals:17 (8 Doubles, 2 Triples, 1 Killtackular, 4 Sprees, 1 Riot, 1 Rampage) Accuracy: 46% Head Shots: 9
Moral of the story: Gauss Hog for President.

EAGLES, in some of the levels, the default weapon is not the pistol but rather the plasma pistol, that is what I'm refering to. Examples would be Damnation, Chill Out, Longest, Blood Gulch, and maybe one or two more I'm forgetting.

  • 02.13.2005 9:25 PM PDT
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Posted by: VegasSpartan
Posted by: BoxMonster13
Three_Shot, when I say cheap everyone else understands. It only takes 3 quick blasts to the head to kill someone with the old pistol! 1) How could a pistol do that? 2) Battle rifle takes 4-5 head shots, and is a rifle (much more realistic). The BR is much less cheap, lower rate of fire, more shots to kill, and it is actually believable that a rifle could do that kind of damage. How could you say the BR is cheap compared to the pistol? Taking just the amount of time for the kill into effect the pistol wins out everytime.

ps no pistol is that powerful (even with explosive rounds).


Ever heard of a .357 Magnum? Or a Desert Eagle? Guess not.


haha, those where the two pistols that came to my mind when I read the last thing he said. Too bad Chief doesn't have a good ole' three-fittie-seven. Or, dare I say the forbidden word, a SCOPED Desert Eagle? Say goodnight in two shots, much less three.

  • 02.13.2005 9:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: BoxMonster13
Actually Vegas, I have, but think about it. Even if the pistol is as powerful as a Mangum or Desert Eagle, it has to cut through the shields and chief's armor not just bullet proof vests, AND because the barrels on pistols are not long, the rifling cannot create enough twist and velocity on the bullet to make it accurate. Even the Desert Eagle isn't accurate at the ranges the Halo1 pistol is. No pistol, even in the future can be super powerful AND accurate, there are just limitations because of the style of the weapon. Sorry.

ps try again, and don't pull this military crap out, it is Halo, and your argument is still flawed.


LoL, you just don't want your boner to go down from your popular little thread floating around about the forbidden pistol. "Try again, Don't pull this military crap out?" What, do you want to talk about BAKING??

"Limitations because of the style of weapon." So, umm, this 'progression' thing humans have been doing for the past 4 milleniums has no consideration anymore? We've hit our limitations in handgun technology in 2005? Way to predict the future there, Sir Newton. There could be dozens of possible reasons why it's so accurate and powerful. I don't want to make an "excuse" for the weapon, use your imagination - it's what drives inventors and innovators to make things smaller, more powerful, and more precise. I can promise you we will make pistols better in the future.

You have this obsession with prooving that the pistol is overcharged and overaccurate, and I have to disagree with you. First of all, about the exposed armor (without the "plasma shields" or whatever the hell they're called): Any human weapon that fires metallic projectiles will put a Spartan, Elite, Grunt, Brute, Jackal, or Human to sleep with one, count 'em, ONE round. Doesn't matter what weapon it is. Even the new, downgraded pistol.

Secondly, a Desert Eagle would knock over an Elite with one shot and blow his face off with the other. Chief, being 7 feet tall, could handle that thing like a cop handles a 9mm. They are very accurate, and it's only 2005. Give the world 550 years and I think they can tweak it some.

The only problem I had with the pistol is it's amount of ammo, people would abuse it in the campaign. Switching weapons is an art-form, and the pistol is like a boxer's knock out punch. I think it was the Assault Rifle that was UNDERPOWERED, if you want to get technical about it. Even though it was fun as heck to play with.

[Edited on 2/14/2005 9:30:21 AM]

  • 02.13.2005 9:51 PM PDT
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...and the Halo 1 pistol 'O Doom myth continues.

The Pistol did not dominate every situation, contrary to myth, unless you were playing rookies who stood around or ran at you in a straight line.

What the pistol brought to the table was a weapon you spawned with that gave you a chance in all situations, so that you didn't have to immediately run for another weapon the instant you spawned like in many other less thoughtfull FPS (including Halo 2).

The PP, PR, AR, and shottie were all better bets close range. The sniper was better medium range and of course the sniper beat it long range.

A Grunt

  • 02.13.2005 11:44 PM PDT
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allright everyone the pistol isn't cheap. Bungie put it in the game there is no changing that. if u think the pistol is cheap well nothing is going to change that it is in the game u noobs.

Plus no one can beat me in a swords match on HALO2. hahah

  • 02.14.2005 8:43 AM PDT
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these pistol bashers should go out and rent dirty harry. now thats a magnum. and ya the infmous "combo" is so much cheaper than the three shots of the pistol. now it only takes two.

  • 02.14.2005 12:52 PM PDT
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People People People, just settle down. First of all, there isn't anything you can do about the M6D being in halo (Unless you illegally mod it or something), so quit complaining about how cheap or awsome it is. Yes, I love the pistol just as much as you do, put im not parading around worshiping ( or destroying, for that matter) it, like some kind of remote island tribe. Just accept the pistol as it is, and leave it at that.

  • 02.14.2005 7:22 PM PDT

It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us the freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier, not the lawyer, who has given us the right to a fair trial. And it is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves the flag, whose coffin is draped in the flag that allows the protester to burn the flag.Father Dennis Edward O'Brien, USMC

hes right. What can you do now. Halo 1 is old now and wont be changed for the people who still cry about its very fiew flaws.

  • 02.14.2005 7:27 PM PDT
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i like a man who listen to some common sense.

  • 02.14.2005 7:38 PM PDT