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Subject: The M6D Pistol
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Posted by: Getacible
first of all, kootz, go home. goku is right, they made the game more realistic by making the BR the main weapon, though i do think they should have made the BR a little better, but that's not the point. And again the pistol is a SIDEARM, not meant to be a main weapon, but, Bungie made the pistol a little too strong, so they downgraded it in H2.


You people are too hung up about it being in the shape of a pistol. If the BR had the exact same physics as the old pistol, you probably wouldn't care anymore. If you read the manual it has explosive rounds, and IT doesn't have a scope, your visor does that is linked to the pistol. I do agree that the BR should have been a little better. I don't mind the fire rate or the 4 shot kill aspect of it, just wish it would get those 4 shots on single fire. The other two rounds of the three round burst are not accurate, and will miss a LOT at mid-ranges. Just give me something that rewards me for being a good shot instead of having stray rounds that go where ever.

  • 03.23.2005 1:25 AM PDT
Subject: Why did you hate the M6D Pistol?
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Posted by: XploratorAlpha7
Great work Bungie. Now I don't even play Halo 2. UC2 will completely destroy the pro fanbase of Halo 2. I am glad it happened.

Me too. I'm so sick of "pros" thinking that they are the only ones that matter or play this game. (Not directing this towards anyone so please don't get bent out of shape about it.}


I'm sick of it too. I never have been nor will ever be a "pro", but I still love Halo 1 and my voice should count as much as anyones. People that keep saying they are "pros" really hurt our arguments. Why on Earth would Bungie want to make a game just for a few elitists? You are a very small percentage of the Halo 1 fans friend. I liked Halo 1 for what it was, a shooting skill based game. They have turned it into a weapon controlling game. Halo was the answer to my dreams. I don't like Unreal type games. They go to damn fast, and it always felt like spray and pray. Halo 1 was the first FPS that REALLY spoke to me and my game style. Then Halo 2 came out. To me this IS just like Unreal. Maybe not quite as fast, but it has the same elements that made me hate games like Unreal.

  • 03.23.2005 1:32 AM PDT
Subject: The M6D Pistol
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Posted by: Femi32
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They most likely didn't make them available for dual weilding in Halo 2 because you could dominate with 2 of them.


Bungie eliminated the pistol because they said there was nothing that could beat it, which is not true.


In a close quarters map like Chill Out, I could kill a pistol pretty easy with an assualt rifle. Just a little spray, then melee and they were dead. Shotgun works good too. To me Halo 1's main weapon was the rocket launcher. Even the best pistol shooters played their game around getting to the rocket. Well, except maps like BG where the sniper was king.

  • 03.23.2005 6:47 PM PDT
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Posted by: Subject117_HJ
personally, i just figure that if you brag and gloat about how good you are, then you pick up the pistol, it sorta says "i'm not good at this game at all! i have to use the cheapest weapon in the game to win!" in my mind, the only person who has bragging rights is the one who kills the pistol user with the assault rifle.


So in Halo 2, do you run past the sniper rifles and just keep your SMG? That makes no sense. And you still never explained why you don't like the pistol. Who plays a video game and doesn't use any of the good weapons?

  • 03.23.2005 6:49 PM PDT
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Most arguments against the pistol are pretty weak.

  • 03.24.2005 3:15 PM PDT
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In my opinion, the pistol was the one thing that enraged me about haloCE. id be sniping from some undisclosed location when BOOM BOOM BOOM, three shots with a pistol from half way across the level (blood gluch) hit me and i'm down. So, id chase after the mother with an assult 'rifle' which had the accuracy of a shotgun and no scope, which makes perfect sense, a RIFLE with no scope. i mean, come on. anyway, once again the pistol would slaughter the rifle...i could go on and on but i wont in the interest of public saftey

  • 03.24.2005 9:32 PM PDT
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The pistol, or commonly referred to in actual military terms, your sidearm, was outrageously awesome in Halo 1. It was more useful to snipe with than the freakin' sniper rifle. Pistol had less zoom, but you don't need 10x magnification to hit an 7 ft. tall target. Sniper rifle 4 shots, pistol had 12. If you wer sniping and somwone came up. Snipers had to switch weapons. Pistol-users just had to zoom out. Pistol....Less range, bigger clip sniper rifle.

  • 03.25.2005 10:28 AM PDT
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Posted by: Xmonk
In my opinion, the pistol was the one thing that enraged me about haloCE. id be sniping from some undisclosed location when BOOM BOOM BOOM, three shots with a pistol from half way across the level (blood gluch) hit me and i'm down. So, id chase after the mother with an assult 'rifle' which had the accuracy of a shotgun and no scope, which makes perfect sense, a RIFLE with no scope. i mean, come on. anyway, once again the pistol would slaughter the rifle...i could go on and on but i wont in the interest of public saftey


When I first started playing Halo CE online, I camp sniped a lot too. I mean going up to a place and just hiding out untill someone came into view. But, I learned that's an easy way to die and learned quickly to keep mobile. Anymore I'll just stand out in the middle of Blood Gulch with my sniper watching both bases at once. They can take shots at me with their pistols, but I'm pretty good with the pistol and normaly win those battles even when shot first. It's all about how you play. New people tend to stand still and MAKE themselves easy targets.

  • 03.27.2005 1:24 PM PDT
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I'm actually getting people to state why they hated the weapon or why it was balanced : )

  • 04.05.2005 10:04 PM PDT

If you don't got it, you want it. If you got it, you want more of it. Of course if you don't know what it is, it's hard to get any in the first place.

"long range pistols? My god who comes up with this stuff. What next...anti-vehicle shotguns?"

The pistol was definetly way to powerful. That's all anyone used......man halo 1 had wierd things.........

Long range shotguns.......anti-tank sniper rifles......a AR should own a pistol. Period.

  • 04.05.2005 10:58 PM PDT
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Peaple in real life a pistol would kill in 1 head shot. but the mc has a shield so 3 is perfct obvisoly not many of u have had mutch expernce with firearms and i no of pleant of pistol that r mutch more powreful then a rifle. NE way its a sifi game not a realistic 1. so
the pistol is by mo means cheap every 1 has 1.
ps it takes more skill to line up head shots then be the first to fire ur smg using outo aim.


halo/ce > 2 x 100

  • 04.06.2005 2:06 PM PDT
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they could have stopped this complaing if they had made the pistol a rifle with the exat same phisics

  • 04.06.2005 2:09 PM PDT
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I think the pistol isn't neccesarily a bad weapon, it is still useful for some things like shooting hunters in the back or bashing flood.

I preferred the halo 1 pistol though

  • 04.07.2005 1:55 AM PDT
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Posted by: the smart guy
they could have stopped this complaing if they had made the pistol a rifle with the exat same phisics


True. I've been saying this from day one. Most people seem to hate the shape of it. Well, they probably hated it because they were playing against people like me, but just can't admit that they didn't like getting killed with it from across Hang Em High. If they would have made a Human Carbine, with the exact same physics, then these people wouldn't be able to -blam!- and whine anymore. Halo 2 is in desperate need of a mid-range weapon. The BR isn't good for anything more than semi-close range.

  • 04.07.2005 5:34 AM PDT
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PISTOL FOREVER!!!!!!

  • 04.08.2005 12:19 PM PDT
Subject: Why did you hate the M6D Pistol?
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Please read this whole message before you stop, its interesting. The M6D was a great weapon to be feared and respected by all who were in its presence. Its accuracy was realistic because most pistols today are just as so or moreso, not to mention the Master Chief's Mjolnir armor could easily absorb most of the recoil making it even more accurate. Its scope was no big deal, it was only 2X. The power is realistic bacause a 12.7mm round is equivelant to a fifty caliber round. So is the Warthogs's LAAG a 50 cal., just a rifle style 99mm AP round rather than a shorter 40mm HE round. That's probably why it had a 12 round clip, due to the size of the bullet. The battle rifle is a near identical weapon to boot, just a rifle. I think that the pistol was more realistic than the BR is, because in generic 3-round burst rifles recoil tends to send the second two slugs off of their designated course. I could see this recoil being absorbed by MJOLNIR too, though. The battle rifle is the same thing in a different skin, which is one thing I'm angry at Bungie about (I still love Bungie though) because they dumbed down the M6C for "balance purposes" but created the battle rifle as a substitute, hoping that noone would pick up on the fact that they had reinserted it in a new model and skin. I hope this utterly long talk has been of help to you and your anti-pistol (meaning horribly corrupted and flawed) existance.

  • 04.08.2005 6:46 PM PDT
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I loved it and in it's time it was the most usefull gun but it would really overshadow all other guns in halo 2 if it were still in. honestly the whole attempt to make new guns would be put to waste by the fact that the whole game would be reduced to using that one gun. I love the fact that a pistol can be that powerful ( dirty harry)

  • 04.08.2005 8:15 PM PDT
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Posted by: BoxMonster13
The M6D pistol was one of the greatest conceptual weapons of all time. It was suprisingly powerful, had a sleak design, and dominated all forms of Halo 1 play, but I still would say that it is also one of the cheapest weapon of all time.

If you read my post 'A complaint about Halo 1........for once." in the Library (this forum) I go into great detail why I think so. But if you don't want to search for it in the first few pages of the forum boards you don't have to, because I'll explain some of my thoughts again.

The pistol made Halo 1 what it was. All of the game play centered around picking up the little silver gun because you could use it in any situation. I think that that is why I would have to say that it is a horribly cheap weapon. While I love the power and design that make the Halo 1 pistol almost perfect, I hate the fact that it is overused in all gametypes. If you are any good, and you had a pistol you could beat almost anyone. I think that the changes Bungie made to the Halo 2 pistol were definitely needed. It balances the weapons out, and makes game play much more interesting and diverse.

ps I loved the pistol, but people should stop complaining about losing it, Bungie made the right choice.


How is it a cheap weapon when everyone starts with it. It brings balance to halo 1. You said yourself it made halo 1 what it is and halo 1 is the best FPS ever made. I guess that makes the pistol the best weapon for any FPS ever.

  • 04.09.2005 3:29 PM PDT

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Its not so much that the pistol was cheap, it was a really dtrong weapon. Its just that the other weapons, that should have been stronger, were weaker. I didnt mind the pistol at all. But is made almost every other gn in the game useless

  • 04.10.2005 7:11 AM PDT
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I don't think it was cheap at all. In fact it was what made the game balanced. It made the game depend on skill because I know for a fact that noone no matter how good could three every time with the pistol. But if you could do it frequently then you were guaranteed a win in the battle. It wasn't cheap if everyone had it. But seriously the halo2 snipe isn't cheap?

  • 04.10.2005 5:45 PM PDT
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Yeah, you know, those actual mid-field weapons that are actually reliable are so darned cheap. Especially when they take actual skill (-cough-noob combo-cough-). It's even cheaper when everyone has ready access to such cheapness.

The Sniper Rifle kills in one shot. Wow, that's cheap. I'm glad BUNGIE took that weapon out. And as for that horribly cheap Rocket. Man, BUNGIE are so smart, if the n00bs had their way it would be like a Homing Missile or something.

Thank goodness for BUNGIE's good and balanced design

Thank goodness they made it "realistic" too, so that (as someone oddly put it) Four explosive bullets to the head won't kill you.

[Edited on 4/13/2005]

  • 04.13.2005 7:05 AM PDT
Subject: Why did you hate the M6D Pistol?
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i never hated it it was the rozzarzzzzzzz

  • 04.13.2005 7:24 AM PDT
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what u talkin about fool, i love that pistol. ooooooooooooooooooooooooh

  • 04.13.2005 8:26 AM PDT