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Posted by: jesuschristo
fix br spread/speed






http://www.mlgpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=138915





those too.

Amen /thread

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  • 06.03.2008 5:47 PM PDT

Well to be honest, Halo 3 doesn't need that much changing. In terms of gameplay very little needs to be changed.

If these issues can be addressed, or if you can add the following, then this is what I would do.

--------non gameplay issues-------

Leveling: I think certain issues need to be resolved in terms of party leveling. I've read a lot of posts, and listened to a lot of people getting frustrated because they, or the members in a party would not level up when they win a considerable amount of games.

Vetoing: It would be nice to see the veto system get an overhaul, the system works, I can tell you that. However it would be nice to see it get upgraded.

New achievements: Would be nice, nothing too hard, but nothing too easy.

Skill option for Social: along with the option to not split the party, it would be nice if you could have the option to limit it to party of the same rank as you.

Map Selection: It would be really nice if Bungie could add an option to choose which map the user wants to play on in a certain playlist.

For example; say you wanted to play Ranked Team Slayer, lets say you feel like playing on Isolation only, press X, go down to Map Selection to choose a map that is available for that playlist. So if the Ranked Team Slayer map rotation is; Valhalla, Isolation, High Ground, Narrows, Snowbound, Construct, and Foundry. Then that's all you can chose from.


--------------gameplay issues.--------------

Spawning issues: It would be nice to see Bungie improve just slightly, on the respawning system. I understand the system tries to prevent spawn camping. But it would be nice to see you guys improve the system so that you don't spawn in front of an enemy, or in the middle of a firefight.

gametype issues: I have to agree that somebody shouldn't be forced to play a snipers gametype in team slayer 5 times in a row.

Forge: it would be nice if future map packs had more forge options. For example, in future maps packs it would be nice if the user could adjust the death and softwall barriers to allow for warthog tricking, high jumping, and map exploration.

Auto Snapping: it would be nice if all existing and future Forge maps had a auto snapping feature.

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Overall once again you've done a fantastic job with Halo 3, keep up the great work.

PS: Please don't do anything that would turn H3 back into H2.



[Edited on 06.03.2008 5:55 PM PDT]

  • 06.03.2008 5:49 PM PDT

The original Lemon Head.

I personally would like to see the trip mine have enough damage to kill a person with a fresh overshield, and give it a small dot on the radar like the monitors do in forge.

Posted by: FUZZINATRIXXX
I would like to have no arrows pointing where ur at on Head to Head


If that happened, i can only imagine the ammount of complainers on the optimatch forum about camping.

and to the above post, for spawning, yes, i dont see why its so hard to spawn someone inside the base instead of ontop (this gets especially annoying when a sniper is catching the spawners).

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  • 06.03.2008 5:50 PM PDT

i love halo but the one thing that i would like changed or fixed is the spawn system in team doubles. too many times the other team spawns behind us and kills both me and my partner with ease.

  • 06.03.2008 5:53 PM PDT
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Here's a new one:
Add some new achievements.
When developers add new dlc they are allowed to add up to 250 points in new achievements. Couldn't you retroactively add those? Bungie is still pretty much in bed with Microsoft still so why not, it's not like they won't take your calls.. Even if they are extraordinarily hard achievements, it's still fun to try.
BTW thanks for bringing back SWAT, that's all I ever wanted, oh and Sidewinder/Avalanche, those are two of my favorite Halo things, so my hat is off to you.
PS - maybe bring back a sniper playlist, if you want.

  • 06.03.2008 5:55 PM PDT
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What I would like to see changed in Halo 3.

*Players able to choose what maps/ game types they play(filters).
*Dont know if possible but all forge items available on every map.
*New map like foundry but larger.
*No push to talk when guest are playing.
*Able to disable being able to hear the other team( cant remember the name) in a custom match(for all players).
*More action taken against boosters/standbyers
*Able to have more than 100 custom movies, maps, games and more than 50 screenshots.
*More playlist like team snipes, griffball, and legendary brawl to be permanent.
*More screen effects
*Players able to take screenshots/films with more than one person in the party.
*Able to watch/download in game videos from bungie.net
*spawns.
*the ranking system
*And of course clans brought back.

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  • 06.03.2008 5:55 PM PDT
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You really need to fix the ranking. If you win like 5 games you go up like 1 rank. But if you lose 1 or 2 games you go down every time. One time I played 3 ranked MLG games and was MVP every time. But my team lost every game anyways, and I still went down in rank!!! I went down in rank every game, from 22 to 19 in 3 games!!!

So you really need to fix it that if your MVP and your team loses you cant go down in rank.

  • 06.03.2008 5:55 PM PDT

--The Sam Man

blood gulch from halo 1 remade exact but with better graphics.
the magnum from halo 1 with the scope for blood gulch
the troop transport hog in multiplayer
every forge item for blood gulch remake would allow for interesting maps to be made
a huge foundry map for forge

  • 06.03.2008 6:00 PM PDT

"Theres no way I can trust the sword of a thousand truths to a noob."

I personally enjoy the forge so much that I think they should make it so the forge objects and screen fx could be used on the maps before the DLC came out. It would open way more options and would allow us to fully use forge. Also making an infection gametype or juggernaut gametype would be fun, because slayer and CTF get boring.

  • 06.03.2008 6:02 PM PDT

Second acct: RC Zerg Rushes

1. Remove the Battle Rifle spread. While this may function perfectly on a LAN with no problems, it causes lots of problems online with latency and lag thrown in. I am not asking for the return of the Halo 2 autoaim though.

2. Insert a Team Snipers playlist. Many more people wanted this than a 1v1, but 1v1 is what we got.

3. Make beam rifles a spawn weapon if possible.

4. Speed up the rockets, they are too slow right now.

5. Make Battle Rifle starts mandatory on Valhalla, Last Resort, Standoff, Avalanche and Rat's Nest. The Assault Rifle is less than useless as a spawn weapon on those maps.

6. Bring back the original snowbound in Matchmaking. Hardcore Snowbound is terrible due to the lack of Battle Rifles, Spartan Laser, Active Camoflauge and shotguns. The Ghost promotes camping more than the shotty and has no easy to use counter since we don't spawn with plasma grenades.

7. Reduce the damage done by the Assault Rifle. It is too overpowered right now.

8. Decrease the spawn time of the missle pod on Valhalla to counter the rampant Warthog camping.

9. Undo button in forge.

10. Snap to nearest 90 degree angle in forge.

11. Ability to make any object permenant in forge.

  • 06.03.2008 6:03 PM PDT

I'd like to see a few things

For Matchmaking:
-Incorporate all weapons into Matchmaking (Sentinel Beam, Fuel Rod Cannon, more Beam Rifle, etc.)
-Incorporate all equiptment back into Matchmaking (Deployable cover, Flare, more Tripmines, occasional Firebomb grenades, etc.)
-In Team Slayer, Lone Wolves, and Social Slayer, have a greater emphasis on standard Slayer gametypes (Less BR starts, less Oddball, less KotH)
-People who have horrible connection (and by horrible I mean game-ruiningly bad) should not be paired up with a group of otherwise great connection players in Team playlists, because if they lag out, the teams are unbalanced.
-The Team Slayer playlist should be almost exclusively standard, AR start Team Slayer. (Less Shotty Snipers and less BR starts)
-There should be a Ranked FFA Slayer playlist with larger groups of people (say, 10 players) on larger maps. Kind of like Legendary Brawl, but with all standard Slayer gametypes.

For Custom Games:
-You should be allowed to have any weapon as a starting weapon (Like Carbines, Plasma Rifles, and Fuel Rod Guns)

For Forge:
-New maps should have custom music (Halo soundtrack) and weather (rain, snow, clouds, wind) placeables similar to the lighting Filters present in the Legendary Map pack

For Theater:
-You should be able to rewind and take film clips in Campaign films just like you can in multiplayer films.

  • 06.03.2008 6:04 PM PDT
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ok as some other people have said, i think the veto system should be different. there should be 3 different maps to vote on. and the one with the most votes should be chosen. if the maps tie with the same amount of votes just randomly choose one. and also team snipers playlist!! and take the duels arrow thing off the top of the head to head game winner. thats annoything. thanks!

  • 06.03.2008 6:06 PM PDT
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SINGLE PLAYER:
1. When you're playing with multiple people you should be able to choose what character you want to be
2. any update to the AI would be great.

MULTIPLAYER:
1. remove sniper game types from all playlists and create a seaperate playlist for them. Look, for people who are good with the sniper rifle those kinds of games are great. however, for people like me, who suck with the sniper, those games are a nightmare. also I hope you change the multi team playlist to be 4v4v4v4

2. now I know you said you wouldn't make any more armor types but come on! show the elites some love would you!

3. power down the br. this weapon is just too freakin powerful. it has like no down side or disadvantage at (same with the carbine). I just want it to be balanced with all the other weapons. power up the smg and increase the kick back. increase the fire rate on the pistol too. Improve the homing capablities of the plasma pistol (more than it is now but not as good as it was in halo 2)

4. one thing I've always hated is that when ever I play a team game I have to be either blue or red. I was thinking that instead of changing our color to fit which team were on, you could place a colored way-point over our heads so we still know what team were on but we get to display the colors we choose for our character.

5. fire grenades! I love using them and that way we can have a total of eight grenades to use at one time.

6. it would great if we could have more ways to customize our character models
EX: more colors to choose from, ability to add different colors to different place (like head, body, and legs.

7. I for one want to see the transport hog from the single player to be in multiplayer. That would be so cool in VIP games.

[Edited on 06.03.2008 6:44 PM PDT]

  • 06.03.2008 6:07 PM PDT

"Knowledge is My Power" - Dark Mr Vader

First of I would like to congratulate Bungie for making such an awesome game. Now back on topic.

*Decrease playlist numbers to increase population per playlist
*Increase variety of maps and gametypes for all playlist. With the MLG playlist being an exeption.
*Change the call out symbols to emblems (or have an option to change).
*Add more achievements (250 points are avaible via download)
*Fix the BR spread. Its ridiculous.
*Increase pennalty for quitting. There are too many quitters now.
*Get some kind of "clan" thingie going. Come on Bungie I know you can.

Anyways. Those are just some suggestions I could come up with in such a short time.

PS: Can you discuss anything thats being worked on for a future AutoUpdate. And any news on the new maps you are working on would surely be welcomed.

  • 06.03.2008 6:08 PM PDT

lower weapons on live buy pressing down once on the d-pad, and again to raise. and more weapons on maps, like plasma rifle on avalanche etc. etc.

  • 06.03.2008 6:20 PM PDT

For Matchmaking:
-Incorparating a bigger variety of weapons to mix things up: fuel rod gun & sentinel
beam
-Incorparating a bigger variety of equipment: invinciblity (but not too long or
assasination instant kill), firebomg grenades,
-Incorparating a larger variety of vehicles in Big Team, I hear a lot of good comments from other players saying more vehicles is complete CHAOS (In A Good Way) Good Example is Ske7chtrap v2
-A very very big variety of more armor customizing: more elite armor such as: arbiter armor, no helmet (like in halo 2 elites w/ jet packs & heretics) more spartan armor, and the #1 thing that I always thought was super sic wit it was if you can be a brute as well

just a few of things i had in mind, thank you for letting halo fans speaking their minds


[Edited on 06.03.2008 6:39 PM PDT]

  • 06.03.2008 6:23 PM PDT

I bring knives to gunfights.

INFECTION PERMANENT PLAYLIST other than that nothing
well, except maybe a snipers playlist

  • 06.03.2008 6:23 PM PDT

Well they say the sky's the limit
And to me that's really true
But my friend you have seen nothin
Just wait til I get through...

For one, why have you guys not allowed awesome weapons like the sentinel beam, plasma rifle, and beam rifle as a starting weapon in custom games? Seriously, the sentinel beam is my favorite weapon, so please add some to matchmaking. Second, why restrict us from the weapons in the first place? It is custom games and we should be able to do what we would like, regardless of balance and such.

  • 06.03.2008 6:23 PM PDT

I would like to see Coagulation back on the map list, and also it would be nice to see a scorpion tank in sand trap or in any big maps.

  • 06.03.2008 6:23 PM PDT

Posted by: halo and pok3mon
I've lost all steam for halo itself, I think I might just rent H3...


Posted by: POCALLIK
That's like saying sex has lost it's steam.

Thanks for giving us (the community) an outlet to post our feedback in a big compiled list.

Major Changes That are Needed
-fix the BR spread
-bring back momentum melees (jump/running then meleeing does more damage than standing then meleeing) and lowering damage of melees overall
-fix spawn system (iso, blackout, foundry, to name a few)
-Bring back small symmetrical maps. Yes, I know you guys are working on Purple Reign, but the community needs more than 1. We can only do so much with foundry.
-make a classic map pack (midship, blood gulch, battle creek,ect.)

Other changes
-Bigger version of foundry that's a plain, perfect square with smooth, clean geometry/texture, and has more resources
-Give forge an undo/redo button
-Team snipers playlist
-Clan feature
-no more maps with shield doors please
-more options/items in forge
-allow all weapons to be starting weapons in custom games (carbine, beam rifle, ect.)


I'll post more later when I can think of some more.




[Edited on 06.03.2008 6:26 PM PDT]

  • 06.03.2008 6:25 PM PDT

Increase the damage that fragmentation grenades inflict by about 20 percent.

  • 06.03.2008 6:25 PM PDT
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I would make the game a whole lot more Machinima efficient! Why is it so hard to lower our weapons? And it's such an easy fix (I'm guessing). I also wish that they could have just dropped the blasted level of Cortana! I want new maps to, this next map pack had better be all new maps.

Oh, and who can forget! FIX THE BR SPREAD!!!!

[Edited on 06.03.2008 6:26 PM PDT]

  • 06.03.2008 6:25 PM PDT
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putting coag back on would make halo 3 that much better, and head to head is making me sad, the red dot on the head kills the whole purpose!!

  • 06.03.2008 6:26 PM PDT
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Well i have 3 things really i like to see:

1. Whenever a matchmaking game is over and your in the lobby or checking the stats of the postgame, i really wish you could just click something or a thing where you can save that vid without having to leave your party to do so.

2. Videos - i wish that there was a better way to view like to where you can go back or so without skipping parts, like a reverse and also , idk if it is a problem or just my connection but whenever i try to view some videos with my friend(s), we get stuck on the black loading screen for like 5 mins or so and then every1 gets booted when it starts up.

3. Head to head is gr8, i love it but i just dont like the fact that the person in the lead has a waypoint on them, that rly defeats the one v one purpose

So those my two opinions i have that i think could help out a bit.

[Edited on 06.03.2008 6:28 PM PDT]

  • 06.03.2008 6:27 PM PDT