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Subject: Panel Discussion: TTL on Improving H3

Fix the Br Spread and try to make the head shot think work better and if you could make beaver creek and warlock and midship

  • 06.04.2008 3:34 PM PDT

- Fix BR spread
- make the AR reticule smaller to encourage more aiming
- reduce melee damage to half shields
- fix hit detection (sniper and BR)
- increase player speed slightly

My biggest annoyance is still melee. I know you guys have tried to make it as fair as possible but when I hear my melee connect first and I still die it destroys my soul. If you could just make it that I dont hear my melee then i'd be happy, ignorance is bliss.

  • 06.04.2008 3:35 PM PDT

BAMES

Honestly, I am speaking for about half the halo 3 nation, from montage kids to MLG pros when i am saying this. Believe me, I play halo almost every day and play with montage kids and pros, and they just want the game faster. And to make the game faster is to make the game like halo 2. I know you guys hear that a lot, but you will at least double the halo population if you do these things. Some might be hard or impossible, but at least consider.

1. Bring back nade launches (when you throw one grenade at a wall or something, and then when another grenade is thrown, the first grenade blows up, launching the second grenade in the distance). They were one of the only reasons i played halo 2. They can be so innovative. This was the kind of thing that distinguished people and how much time they put into the game. How creative they were. It was the most fun I ever had on halo.

2. Bring back button glitches such as BXRs and Double Shots. I know you hate bringing things like these back, because they are glitches and all. But with what we have now, the game isn't halo anymore. It isn't as fast. I know you guys tried to replace the bxr with the mauler, but it hasnt replaced it. You dont spawn with a mauler every game, and maulers dont take skill to use. Doubleshots were one of the most skillful things you could do in halo. It was one of the techniques you could use to Out-BR someone and win the fight. These werent just glitches, they were innovations into the game that took skill. I know you guys dont like the idea, but just please consider it. If you dont want to make a glitch, at least make it look like it isnt a glitch, like make master chief punch and then bring his arm back to a shooting position fast on the bxr.

3. We need smaller maps. Almost all of the maps you made are absolutely huge. This makes MLG really complicated and repetitive, and now MLG has to make their own maps. They shouldn't have to create their own maps, thats just silly. Back in halo 2, you had the perfect variety of maps. Huge maps for BTB, and small maps for MLG (hey that rhymed!) But it made team and MLG a lot better because of the variety of maps you could play on. I suggest remaking something like Beaver Creek or Sanctuary. I would love for you guys to remake Midship, that map was the best for FFA and CTF. But if you are going to remake maps, PLEASE dont supersize them like you did to Lockout, or change any important features. Lockout is a colossal map now, and it is a little harder to set up on it now that you guys have gotten rid of the window. I'm just asking for smaller and more MLG savy maps.

4. Multiple 1v1 games need brought back. Remember the old days in halo 2 when you could play 1v1s with anywhere from 2-16 people? THAT MAXIMUM PLAYERS FEATURE WAS GOOD, I DONT KNOW WHY BUNGIE DECIDED TO TAKE IT OUT. IT MENT YOU COULD sPECTATE A 1v1 GAME AND SOCIALISE.

5. The assault rifle is far too powerful from long and short range. It really needs taken down a notch. I am always going for multikills, I'll admit it, I am a montage kid. But everytime i am on an overkill or killtacular, some guy spawns with an AR and kills me. Not because hes better then me, put a BR in his hands and i will embarass him. Its just too easy to use. All I'm asking is that you either take the power down a notch or make the aim on it smaller so its not as easy to use.

6. The ever popular beatdown system needs a makeover. I hate the fact that someone can beat me down the same time i can beat them down even though i pressed the B button first, but they punched 3 frames later and they get a kill they dont deserve. I dont understand this. What i also dont understand is that you can shoot someone twice with a battle rifle and then punch them and it would have the same affect as if you wouldve just punched them to begin with. They go no shields. You should make the beatdown system a lot more consistent, becuase it is in shambles right now. I think you should go back to the host advantage beatdowns. It may not be as fair, but its a lot more consistent then this system. At least you know whats going to happen then.

7. The beam rifle isnt available as a primary or secondary weapon in custom games?

8. How come you balanced every noob weapon like the sword and the hammer but you made the shotgun a superweapon? When i punch someone and get sworded or hammered, they get hurt. But now when im killed by the shotgun! Its too powerful, too long range, and too uneven

9. Rockets arent very powerful at all. You could shoot a rocked 5 feet away from someone and halo 2 and it would kill them. Now you can shoot someone with a rocket and they dont die.

10. Assasinations never work. Ive punched somoene in the back countless times and they walk away from it. Come on now.

11. Bring back proximity voice!

12. Make the chat button less awkward! Up is too hard to press in a game.

13. The reloads take wayyy too long. Isn't it enough for master chief to have the clip in so when you press yy it is reloaded?

14. Why are there no multi-killionares? the multikills just stop :(

15. And last but not least, there are no clans. Clans were like having 2 friends lists, they were very useful. I beg you to bring them back.

As you can see, i have a lot of complaints. But they are all in good nature. I guarantee you bungie, GUARANTEE that if you fix the first couple things (Nade Launches, BXRS, MLG maps, Beatdowns) that you will get a huge rise in the halo population and it will remain that way. The only thing you have done with halo 3 is make a temporary game that doesnt show the skill differential between good players and noobs. This is not just from me, but tens of thousands of people who still play halo 3 and get on halo 2 constantly because they miss the speed. This is probably the best opinion you have right now because i am speaking for everyone who loves this game. Half the people who post here are noobs who dont play the game every day. Wont be on it for much longer either. What I am saying is you guys should look out for the more long term players, people who love halo. If you do the important ones (they weren't in any particular order, but you saw that they werent as important past about 7) I am guaranteeing you a happier halo population.

Don't be afraid of change, if it doesnt work out, you can always try again :)


VERY GOOD POST^^^^^

  • 06.04.2008 3:37 PM PDT

Well they say the sky's the limit
And to me that's really true
But my friend you have seen nothin
Just wait til I get through...

PhiZyiZy , most of your complaints are just problems that you are complaining about because you keep dying by them. All weapons are fine right now, if you hate them then that is just because you don't know the counter. There are some things like the weapons you can have that need to be changed but any other problems you have are not broekn or screwed up. They are fine. Host is given to best connection and fusion coils and such should not be removed because you keep getting too close to them.

  • 06.04.2008 3:43 PM PDT
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There are many things wrong with this game that are easily fixable. They range from lack of competitive maps to the beatdown system. I’m going make a bulleted list and explain each bullet point shown in at least two sentences each; the sentences will show why each needs to be fixed and how it can further improve.

1. Lack of competetitive maps
In Halo 2 the list of competitive maps was quite lengthy. The most memorable ones being Lockout, Midship, Beaver Creek, Warlock, and Sanctuary. These maps were on the small side, and were symmetrical like most competitive maps (i.e. Onslaught, The Pit, Construct etc…) The way to fix this is quite simple; release a mappack at the beginning or in the middle of summer including either a) remakes of highly favorited competitive Halo 1 and 2 maps, b) maps that share the same qualities as such maps (maps like warlock and midship are essential), c) a mix of both. I firmly believe that people would pay at least 800 MS points for a mappack releasing maps as wanted as these.

2. Battle Rifle Spread
The spread on the BR when it’s shot is ridiculous. In Halo 2 the BR worked when you shot at a person, and on LAN it always connected. When a BR is fired in Halo 3 (even on LAN) the bullets spread in a random direction. The bullets should fire straight and it’s that simple. All you have to do is make them fire straight and the BR will always be consistent, adding more skill to the game.

3. The Beat Down System
The beatdow system is absolutely ridiculous. Around 60% of beatdowns either don’t connect or don’t lunge at all. The lunge is not what needs to be changed, but the consistency of it does. There are countless times where person A will hit B and wont lunge at person B, but at the exact same moment person B will lunge at person A.

4. Spawns
Too many times, people have had someone either spawn right next to them, or been spawned right in front of someone. Spawn traps are what usually make this possible, which are OK because it’s a strategy. However, when there is no spawn trap, and I spawn, on guardian for example, bottom green (tree, forest w/e) RIGHT behind the person on top green, that’s ridiculous. The spawns need fixing.

5. Head to Head
This topic has been beaten to death, but it really needs fixing…the indicator PROMOTES camping, almost all Head to Heads end in ties because of the indicators, and the fact that the leader in score only has an indicator is dumb, just dumb. Swords? Swat Pistols? C’mon….


As you can see, all of these are EASILY fixable and are huge problems, if these are fixed then the game will be so much better for competitive gaming.

  • 06.04.2008 3:45 PM PDT

for the love of god BUNGIE dont bring back button glitches. If you cant win with the BR the way its supposed to work then tough. If I want button combo's i'll play a DMC4 or ninja gaiden

  • 06.04.2008 3:48 PM PDT

Well they say the sky's the limit
And to me that's really true
But my friend you have seen nothin
Just wait til I get through...

Spec Opsidian:

Glitches are for noobs and ruin the game. They have already fixed the beatdown, so if you guys are truly equal in health then you will both die ( its stupid now because even though it's better fans still whine over nothing ). Assassination works fine, that's just lag. AR adds diversity to the game. The chat button is so people dont talk all at once, and you just have to press the D pad not only up. reloads are fine.

  • 06.04.2008 3:50 PM PDT

Well they say the sky's the limit
And to me that's really true
But my friend you have seen nothin
Just wait til I get through...

Hell, if they bring back glitches I'll go back to CoD4!!!!

  • 06.04.2008 3:51 PM PDT

MLG

team snipers playlist.
a new beatdown system.
no br spread
lessen the strength of all of the weapons like shottty and assault rifle.
and i no that u dont want the beatdowns the way they were in halo2 but maybe if u made that an option to change during the settings of a custom game. that way us mlg players can go to a LAN tournament and be able to not kill eachother at the same time with the battle rifle.
make carbine start an option during a custom game.
give us an option to remove the shield doors on snowbound and epitah
remake midship,warlock,beaver creek, sanctuary, and a few just fun maps like terminal or relic or headlong.
make the way the game is the way mlg has it. make the player speed and player damage 110%. this will make a much more competitive and fun game for not just MLG players but just anyone that plays the game.

  • 06.04.2008 3:52 PM PDT
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Fist off can you noobs stop asking for fire nades and dumb things that will only make the game worse.

FIx the BR spread ofcourse.

Fix the spawn system because its terrible.

Make it so someone can play an entire game without shooting cause they get so many kills with nades and melee. (make nades and melee less powerful)

bring back maps like midship and beaver creek

take standoff, ghosttown, snowbound, last resort, and rats nest off every MM playlist.

  • 06.04.2008 3:53 PM PDT
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Midship, warlock and a snipers playlist. Please

  • 06.04.2008 3:53 PM PDT

--The Sam Man

weather fx and sfx would be a cool addition for forge. like rain with thunder and lightning, or sfx like hearing a space battle overhead. i would just like much more customizing in the game. forge objects, armor, even more variants of vehicles (old and new) to customize a map to your liking more so than before.
i hope they make a third star wars battlefront for next gen consoles. only new content will keep me playing halo, but i would like the dlc to be more than only three maps. more for the same price would make me happier.

  • 06.04.2008 3:55 PM PDT

Well they say the sky's the limit
And to me that's really true
But my friend you have seen nothin
Just wait til I get through...

Posted by: jake is berserk
team snipers playlist.
a new beatdown system.
no br spread
lessen the strength of all of the weapons like shottty and assault rifle.
and i no that u dont want the beatdowns the way they were in halo2 but maybe if u made that an option to change during the settings of a custom game. that way us mlg players can go to a LAN tournament and be able to not kill eachother at the same time with the battle rifle.
make carbine start an option during a custom game.
give us an option to remove the shield doors on snowbound and epitah
remake midship,warlock,beaver creek, sanctuary, and a few just fun maps like terminal or relic or headlong.
make the way the game is the way mlg has it. make the player speed and player damage 110%. this will make a much more competitive and fun game for not just MLG players but just anyone that plays the game.


MLG stays only with MLG, so no they shouldnt. Beatdown is fine how it is, if it was still how it was originally then every1 would just be whining about how they should have gotten the kill because they hit first. simultaneous kills are the best, they are satisfying and funny. Not by any way annoying.

  • 06.04.2008 3:55 PM PDT

Well they say the sky's the limit
And to me that's really true
But my friend you have seen nothin
Just wait til I get through...

they said themselves that no armors would be added to halo 3, nor was the game even designed for it.

  • 06.04.2008 3:57 PM PDT

this is the best advice I have seen. Use it as a resource for sure.

  • 06.04.2008 3:58 PM PDT

sniper playlist and halo 2 beatdown system added to halo and halo 2 controls

  • 06.04.2008 3:58 PM PDT
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I agree with XxFLAWxLESSxX, not the "Or else I go back to CoD4 part", but he is right. I don't really see the problem with the AR dmg. And he also mentioned that this one guy listed up a huge amount of fixes that would make that guy survive longer. That's what this is all about.
People are complaining about things that usually kill 'em. Maybe some of the complains will improve the game, but much of the requests here can't even be done. And some of these "fixes" can even attract a different crowd. Maybe some people don't even like the new changes, think about those people ;)
This is almost like looking back at when Star Wars: The Empire Stikes Back was released. Everyone complained and said that the first movie was best, even though the second one was definetly better.
I do also find it very brave of Bungie even putting up a post like this. Thanks for a great game so far and keep up the good work guys!



[Edited on 06.04.2008 4:33 PM PDT]

  • 06.04.2008 4:01 PM PDT

Well they say the sky's the limit
And to me that's really true
But my friend you have seen nothin
Just wait til I get through...

ok, maybe halo 2 as an OPTION in customs. Well I would like to see more variants of weapons like the halo 2 pistol. I would NOT want the halo 1 pistol as it is so overpwered, but noobs like pistols being BRs so yeah. Well maybe if they add it it could be a power weapon...

  • 06.04.2008 4:01 PM PDT

Well they say the sky's the limit
And to me that's really true
But my friend you have seen nothin
Just wait til I get through...

Posted by: SKINKO
I agree with XxFLAWxLESSxX, not the "Or else I go back to CoD4 part", but he is right. I don't really see the problem with the AR dmg. And he also mentioned that this one guy listed up a huge amount of fixes that that would make that guy survive longer. That's what this is all about.
People are complaining about things that usually kill 'em.



Thank you. If you guys want to many changes then it will not be halo anymore, only run and gun with more health and less power so we can be bigger noobs.

  • 06.04.2008 4:03 PM PDT
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halo is gd just a few areas wud b changed!

Sniepr play list FTW!

connection is the most important thing in halo than anything else n thier should b a nationality devider if wanted or region like language beacuse american especially in MLG playlist have such an over advantage to us europe players cuz they always seem to get host no matter what n beacuse of tht the chances of the european team winning is less likely! e.g. u shoot people n it does 65% of wht it should have dne depending on host.

head to head wud play it more if no one or both had way points cuz its giving the loser too much easy kills when they know where u r 100% of the time

  • 06.04.2008 4:03 PM PDT
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I've looked at every page, tallied the votes, and these look to be the big 3.

1. BR Spread
2. H2H indicator
3. More Maps

and Sniper playlist

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  • 06.04.2008 4:06 PM PDT

i agree with the region filter. As an option it would improve lag for us EU boys

  • 06.04.2008 4:07 PM PDT
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uh fix the br spread so its like h2 and thats all i really care bout uh make the ar weaker and the needler also uh make it so that you can choose to use "x" as the reload button that would be cool

  • 06.04.2008 4:09 PM PDT
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Maybe Americans are just better than Europeans...

either way we are. whether it's better halo players or better internet connection.

  • 06.04.2008 4:11 PM PDT
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No power weapons in head to head but I have no problem with power ups. High Ground spawns. More BRs/Carbs on guardian/epitaph. Make the maps specialized for FFA in lone wolves instead of these maps that were built for team games. Remove objective from lonewolves its too random to be ranked. Remove grenades and turrets from swords. Make the flag a little easier to return in objective. Make Last Resort and Vahalla BTB only. Make it where you can score multiple times in one-side objective each round so we don't have so many ties. Take the instant kill off an oddball it just encourages camping. Add some improvements to forge objects and controlls if possible. Make it where the hill moves in a pattern so it not so much luck wether it on your side or not and increase the time the hill stay in one spot its so hard to have controll of a hill if it moves so quickly.

  • 06.04.2008 4:12 PM PDT