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Subject: Panel Discussion: TTL on Improving H3

i havnt read thru the 32 pages before so i dnt no if this has come up but i think the br spread needs to b fixed. just like there was an update fixing the br spread in halo 2 i think there should b one for halo 3. the br in halo 2 was perfect and i dnt see any reason y the halo 3 br cant b the same as halo 2. u tried to fix the melee system already y cant u fix the br spread. i play MLG so the 110% damage helps but still doesnt fix the 1 bullet misses that shouldnt miss. please look into this, as a competetive gamer i think it would b a great improvement.

  • 06.04.2008 4:14 PM PDT
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homocidal idol please be quite u wudnt no the difference beacuse u prob have host 24/7

  • 06.04.2008 4:14 PM PDT

Maybe Americans are just better than Europeans...

either way we are. whether it's better halo players or better Internet connection.


I'm sure their are some incredible European halo players. Try telling a guy from Australia that the reason he loses most games isn't because of lag. As for the Internet connection i'm running on 10mb cable broadband. M8 has 20, connections are fine.

  • 06.04.2008 4:18 PM PDT
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The main problem with the Halo 2 BR was that everyone went after the BR. I guess the reason why they changed the BR in Halo 3 was 'cause they wanted people to favour other weapons than the BR. :)

  • 06.04.2008 4:18 PM PDT

Halo 3 is my first halo game and I thoroughly enjoy it but..............
I'm not here to be " nice " so I'll list a few changes I'd like to see

1)Assault rifle damage decreased from mid-range distances; it's a close ranged weapon
2)Spawning on blackout needs to be changed
3)Melee system is extremely boring ,bland and predictable...... the person with the most health wins no matter where they hit
4)Fast forward through videos
5)Equipment effect should be decreased ie power drain and regenator( team doubles especially since all players that can't shoot straight throw out a regen but the bubble shield is class no problems there)


way better than Cod4 will every be and if you want halo to be a first person shooter don't give in to bad aim by adding equipment and extra grenades since there will be very little shooting involved!!!!! Great game but nothings perfect XD

  • 06.04.2008 4:20 PM PDT
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I loved "Team Snipers" on Halo 2! it was very fun and you could practice that playlist to get better at sniping. Instead of having to rally up 4-10 friends. So that would be pretty cool if Bungie added that to the ranked playlist.

  • 06.04.2008 4:21 PM PDT

Posted by: SKINKO
The main problem with the Halo 2 BR was that everyone went after the BR. I guess the reason why they changed the BR in Halo 3 was 'cause they wanted people to favour other weapons than the BR. :)
yeah the rate of fire in the BR from h2 was too high. H3 is fine just needs the spread fixed

  • 06.04.2008 4:21 PM PDT

Remove erratic BR spread

Take vehicles out of 2v2.

Do not have more equipment in 2v2 than players

Make equipment have longer spawns

Please please remove the shield doors on Snowbound and Epitah and if possible remove them from MM altogether.

Stop using host records to determine the host in a custom game please just let the player who created the party be host it usually takes like 30 mins to play MLG customs on a decent host.

Please make it so that tyhe player who started a party is the one who has to host in theatre not change it to a person who clearly has an inferior connection to me.

Region filter so Europeans do not have to play on US host all of the time and vice versa

Rumble Pit and Lone wolves should be slayer only FFA objective just does not work

Have a dedicated Team Snipers playlist

Please make the character models have fair hit boxes because it is impossible to kill an elite in swat.

2v2 with BRs playlist

Allow more objects to be placed in forge such as the carbine for all maps.

Decrease the amount of times that swords and hammers appear in lonewolves.

Use more forged maps in playlists.

Please get rid of the 20ft lunge

Remake midship exactly as it was in Halo 2. No shield doors or one way doors just as it was in H2 scaled to H3 size.







  • 06.04.2008 4:22 PM PDT
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XxFLAWxLESSxX, people are allowed to have opinions and desires of what should and shouldn't be in the game. Stop giving out your reasoning why things that other people suggest should or shouldn't be added/changed. You're not Bungie. No one cares what you think. Please let people speak freely without some kid trying to refute them.

Besides, your arguments are very flawed and you simply state things without backing them up. Halo 2 button glitches are by no means for "noobs," in fact, exactly the opposite -- mastering their use made you better and some required a lot of skill. They provided that much more depth to the game and allowed for another level of skill to be mastered, which is why none of them were banned from MLG competitive play. On top of that, there was a level of balance to them. Double shotting wasn't very effective without a backup weapon to YY, BXRing couldn't be done without a full clip, grenade reloads could only be done off host, etc.

Also, I don't know why you think the AR adds diversity... it's just a more powerful SMG rofl.

[Edited on 06.04.2008 4:25 PM PDT]

  • 06.04.2008 4:23 PM PDT

Character Artist -- Electronic Arts

Bursting shots with the AR does not provide enough accuracy to suppress medium ranged foes.
This is problematic when BR's are not available and the player is spawning away from the base.

Also 5-6 rounds from AR + a Melee for a kill, makes the SMG very ineffective by comparison to the AR, even when dual wielded.
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Latency and Melee Lunging can be very misleading.
You may be backing up from an opponent going in for the lunge. And they will appear to stop and then lunge into you.
I know the Strafe rates are different based on direction. But that visual queue is very misleading.
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All Magnetism on the rocket launcher should be gone.
Player's are predictive of where the opponent will be when using the rocket launcher. If the game decides to shift the rocket directly towards a moving target so that the final destination is where the Target was and not currently IS (as predicted by the player), then it is taking away the control and the sense of satisfaction of predicting other player's actions.
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[Edited on 06.04.2008 4:32 PM PDT]

  • 06.04.2008 4:30 PM PDT
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-Battle Rifle spread like halo2!!!
-Bring midship back dont change anything keep it the way it was
-make symatrical maps more of them no big team maps

1. Fix the sensitivity so all axis's are equally the same speed. Or give the option to adjust the speed of each axis, Y or X.

2. Fix the BR Spread. I suggest using a 3-burst animation for the gun, but in coding only use a single-shot for the damage, similar to the Pistol. Or you could just make each shot come out at the same time or recreate the Halo 2 BR style.

3. Set preset damage for the melee system, similar to the Halo 2 system.

4. Fix the netcode or hitbox inconsistencies. Improve the registration issues.

5. Fix the spawn system, I suggest adding more of a element of randomness to spawn locations, similar to Halo 1.

Please Bungie take a look at these! It would be greatly appreciated!

  • 06.04.2008 4:33 PM PDT
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Let's See

1. Pistol Removed from Team Snipers
2. Less powerful melees
3. Tighter BR spread
4. Less cluttered maps where things don't get in the way all the time.
5. A larger foundry like map with all the new forge items and everything.
6. All weapons available for start.
7. Beta System of saving films, ability to save more than 100 Custom games AND Films COMBINED, its kind of annoying that they are at all related and 100 fills up very quickly.
8.Beaver Creek.

  • 06.04.2008 4:36 PM PDT

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  • 06.04.2008 4:37 PM PDT
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Fix the bullet registration. A lot of times when i'm in a BR battle or trying to take someone out long range with a sniper some bullets don't register, and it's extremely frustrating. Even on LAN it'll happen a couple times. The way bullets registered on H2 was much better than how it does on H3. Maybe incorporate that somehow.

  • 06.04.2008 4:41 PM PDT
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Lowering weapons on Halo 3, fix the Battle Rifle Spread, and put Assault Rifles on the MLG playlist cause people agree to have both battle and Assalut weapons and said its better for them and i agree with it.

  • 06.04.2008 4:43 PM PDT

Well they say the sky's the limit
And to me that's really true
But my friend you have seen nothin
Just wait til I get through...

Posted by: dagunz4
Lowering weapons on Halo 3, fix the Battle Rifle Spread, and put Assault Rifles on the MLG playlist cause people agree to have both battle and Assalut weapons and said its better for them and i agree with it.


the reason you cant lower weapons in matchmaking is because it needs to be tested out for possible exploitation. BXR anyone?

  • 06.04.2008 4:49 PM PDT

Why put AR in MLG. Its not in MLG because its a nooby no skill weapon.

  • 06.04.2008 4:54 PM PDT
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Make a MLG based H2H
Fix the melee
Fix the BR spread

  • 06.04.2008 4:56 PM PDT
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Posted by: AreErKul
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Posted by: jesuschristo
fix br spread/speed






http://www.mlgpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=138915





those too.

Amen /thread


Pretty much sums it up.


Yes that sums it up!... Go there and do some reading... Take another view from the Halo 3 Community please!

  • 06.04.2008 4:56 PM PDT
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Order of Importance:

1. Battle Rifle should be more like Halo 2's Battle Rifle after the 1.1 update, less random spread

2. Battle/Beaver Creek and Wizard/Warlock should be remade. They were in Halo: CE and Halo 2, so why aren't those maps in Halo 3?

3. The Rocket Launcher needs a much bigger splash damage. Halo 2 Rockets were good.

4. Both frag and plasma grenades should have a slightly larger splash damage like those of Halo 2 after the 1.1 update. Also, we should be given an option to toggle max amount of each type of nade 2 or 4.

5. The one-touch return for games like Capture the Flag is pretty bad. I was able to return a flag that would've taken me around 7 more steps to actually touch. The way the touch return is now is more like Star-Wars-using-the-force touch return.

6. Shotgun should be toned down, Halo 2's shotgun was good

7. Spawning system needs to be fixed. I get spawned in middle of a fight so many times, while in halo 2 i don't think that ever happened.

8. Needlers are overpowered right now

9. Improve homing on Plasma Pistol

10. Make the flag weight lighter like in Halo 2, the best thing about Halo CTF was flag tossing led to creative strategies

11. Add more voice systems like in Halo 2, for example can the announcer say when the lead is tied or when we lost the lead, because right now the announcer only says something when the lead is gained

12. Change the objective game indicator point. When blue, green, yellow, etc. team has the oddball or controls the hill, the indicator should be the color of the team, not always be red


Thanks Bungie, you guys are the best

[Edited on 06.05.2008 10:45 PM PDT]

  • 06.04.2008 4:59 PM PDT
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Make it so you can fastforward minutes in the theatre.

Fix The BR spread.

  • 06.04.2008 5:00 PM PDT

Posted by: FaJiTa TuEsDaY
only eat one small snack a week to save money on food and just have water toilet and lights to save money thats my plan

Though the Earth is dying we must enrich her body, for the ground we tread is hφly.

I'm a lion in a world where everybody's content with being cats.

Rocket Race

Rocket Race is nothing special, sorry Bungie, you need to take it out. Replace it with something that would do the same sort of stuff---a social playlist that is all about laid back playing. Let's just name it "Fiesta". Now, Fiesta would house within it games like Rocket Race, Infection, Random weapons, and any other type of laid back game that the community has made.

Equipment

The Halo 3 beta trip mine needs to be back. I can't even elaborate on it because it seems so obvious a decision and yet I've still heard no word from Bungie about changing the current one. The current trip mine is practically useless. Let me just list how I use the current trip mine: as a diversion or as a quick-"hit 'em from the side" tactic. Now, this is how I used the Beta trip mine: I would stick it under vehicles and wait for a minute or two and then get a double or even triple kill, along with the previously mentioned uses of the current trip mine. Sticking explosives to vehicles is just plain badass and needs to be brought back.

Maps

Give us small symmetrical maps! We need a few maps like Midship and Sanctuary. Those maps are some of my favorites and we don't really have anything like them.

We only have symmetrical maps that aren't small and small maps that aren't symmetrical. That shouldn't be so.

Player Models

Let me get this out there, this one is just my opinion and I sincerely doubt you could do it.

The Beta's player models were nicer, sleeker, and shinier...I liked them more than this kind we have now. These ones look like action figures while the others looked like action figures covered bright, awesome colors.

  • 06.04.2008 5:00 PM PDT
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Fix the BR spread

  • 06.04.2008 5:03 PM PDT
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1. You guys should change the melee system a lil different...for EX: 1 handed guns will only do about 25% dmg , 2h weps will do like 50% , and heavy weps such as rockets will completely drain there energy..thts one of my crazy ideas u guys shouldnt keep the one we have now
2.Plz fix the hitboxs and registration
3. Put specific map choices/gametypes to choose from in matchmaking
4. More Armor!! :D

  • 06.04.2008 5:03 PM PDT
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The Br spread needs to be fixed

Would like to see a forge map made by bungie

More options as to categories.Have the time i am planning to pull an all nighter I end up wuitting because i get a bunch of crap in the playlists that i dont want.For example in the team slayer give an option for 4x4,3x3,snipers and so on it will make the game much mor played and enjoyable

also instead of more and more map packs why dont we also include weapon packs and vehicle packs and even more forge items like the cool effects available for use on the legendary maps maybe even more armor

  • 06.04.2008 5:11 PM PDT