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fix Battle Rifle's bullet spread, and bring back double shots and fast melees!!! lol( BxR and BxB added will be apprieciated!)

  • 06.04.2008 11:00 PM PDT
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I agree completely, I think the ranking system is terribly flawed. I don't now if a ladder reset would be the most appropriate remedy but there is something especially infuriating about winning several games in a row and going up a couple levels only to see that level instantly go down after losing a game. That being said, I am incredibly impressed by the way Bungie has continuously evolved their game to fit the needs of the community.
However, after having played Head to Head I have come to believe that community input was partially ignored on this playlist. Firstly, about 75% of my head to head games last the entire alloted time, something that is excruciating to play with the amount of "noob" weapons available on each map. I would suggest adding (or changing) head to head to MLG starts and weapons and for the love of God, please remove Ghost Town from the playlist maps. Someone taking the lead and then portal jumping back and forth to avoid me makes me want to quit this playlist for good.
Having said all this I look forward to the changes Bungie has in store for us, do us proud.

  • 06.04.2008 11:06 PM PDT
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Okay so fix the lame double beat down crap that crap is so dumb. And i shoot so many people with a sniper bullet and i see a blood splatter and there shields don't drop or if its a headshot they don't fall over i mean if it shows blood they should die don't you think? More BR starts too in ts. Thats about it for me and in doubles get rid of the camping maps like snowbound because thats getting old i hat camping how bout you face me like a man and when i four shot you don't complain geez i hate campers!!!

Oh and the ranking system wow that thing really needs to be fixed i mean i win about five games in a row and i don't go up and ill beat higher ranked people and then i lose one match and i go down i mean what the heck. The other day i won about 14 in a row and didn't go up i mean wow and i lose one game and i lose my rank thats a load of crap.

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  • 06.04.2008 11:15 PM PDT

Just read .... listen to the Majority of the "Loyal" Halo players.

http://www.mlgpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=138915t]http://w ww.mlgpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=138915



Make the game more Competitive.
The people that are not as well skilled at the game can either play more and get better or just stop playing. Seriously Bungie, you've created a game that even ESPN is now viewing as a sport. Let the game become worthy.

BR's
Melee's
Hosting
Equipment?
Head to Head (under Hardcore? wheres the BattleRifle Starts?)
Equal Weapons? You want the game to be more balanced .... forget duel wielding. Let the Plasma Rifle freeze people a little again. Increase the Rocket speed a bit, and the blast radius. Let the Pistol kill in just 3 shots again. balance the game with 3 weapons of equalty that will kill Close, Medium and long ranges.
Why does blood splatter off a person when the sniper is shot at them? Their shield is still charged, and they're alive .... wheres the blood coming from? The sniper bullet?
Lose the normal lunges on these insane melee's. Thats why you created Swords and Hammers. No need for people to jump forward 3 feet trying to punch someone. Flip the gun, knock 'em in the back of the head. Lunges = Bad game play.

Do you really want to know what you can do to improve Halo 3's game play? ... Take maybe 20 minutes one day, Play a 2v2 or 4v4 Pistol Start normal weapons on Prisoner H1 or Hang 'Em High. Look ... its fun, its competitive. Its Flawless. Its amazing. You created one great achievement. Halo 2 was skillfull too. Took skill, not skilled players lost ... good players won. Why change that? Why add things like bubble shields and regens? Ok, maybe they're cool in normal Social Matches and stuff but everytime i see one of those or even hear them pop, My head starts to hurt. They're too OverPowered. Let go of your self a little bit. Seriously Bungie ... I have faith in you.



Keep in mind ... If Player A is better than Player B. Player A should always win. They both have the same advantages.

http://www.mlgpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=138915t]http://w ww.mlgpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=138915

  • 06.04.2008 11:28 PM PDT
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BR spread

Search for EU/USA party in MM.

  • 06.04.2008 11:38 PM PDT
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1) Have the opportunity to only play local people. People in USA usually have much quicker connections making it difficult for us in the UK.

2) Have the oppposing team always in the colour red. Some colours are easier to hide with so if the other team where always red it would stop this problem.

3) Be able to choose maps that you dont want to ever play on.

  • 06.04.2008 11:39 PM PDT
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Please fix BR spread

  • 06.04.2008 11:41 PM PDT
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BRING BACK THE HALO 2 BR.
SMALLER MAPS
MORE EMBLEMS
MORE COLORS
NEW HELMETS
NEW ARMOR
ABILITY TO WATCH OUR CLIPS IN HD IN OUR COMPUTER'S
MORE THEATER OPTIONS
BETTER FORGEOPTIONS INFITE OBJECTS NOT MONEY
BETTER SWORD
FIX THE OVER SHIELD
FIX THE PLASMA PISTOL

Im willing to pay for all this in the market place.

  • 06.04.2008 11:57 PM PDT
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ability to play people by zipcode i would love to meet local people to lan with.

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make the pistol exactly like the halo 1 pistol
3 shot kill.
scope.


that would be huge it would completly change the game.


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  • 06.04.2008 11:58 PM PDT
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I write this assuming that most of what i have to say has already been posted but I can only hope that saying it one more time will help to emphasize it.

That said the single and greatest annoyance I have encountered while playing Halo 3 is the ranking system.

-While it is technically intended as a tool and not a reward (according to Bungie), every element of the ranking system implies that a higher rank is a innately desirable. Grade 3 and 4 players are ridiculed in pre game lobbies, your progress is halted in its tracks without higher skill, and most 'serious' players share a single objective of increasing their rank. It is my belief that the loss of momentum encountered once the system 'zeroes in' on your skill has led to the inordinate number of second accounts and players that quit altogether.

-That said the ranking system itself has become horribly broken. Using a hidden Trueskill rank in addition to player's visable rank to match them means that a player is penalized for playing well. While it seems logical that to become a major you should have to beat other 30's (thus demonstrating that you yourself are at least a 30), by the time i was a 29 in team doubles i was already being matched with colonels. Playing another account in head to head earlier today in which my highest skill is 4, the system failed to match me with a SINGLE PLAYER whose highest skill did not exceed mine by at least 20 levels.

-The clear solution to this is to stop matching players based on their Trueskill. Being a skilled player does not mean that you should have to beat commanders to reach lieutenant. If the system believes you are playing at a level of 40, it should allow you to reach that level- not simply find you harder and harder competition until you get stuck playing colonels and brigadiers as a 30-35.

-Obviously it goes without saying that ranking up is too difficult. Strength of victory, position within one's team, K/D, and medals (especially high skill medals like multi-kills and sprees) MUST be taken into an account. Winning a team slayer game 50-10 as MVP with 30 kills, an invincible, and a perfection counts exactly the same as winning it 50-49 having been dragged kicking and screaming by your more skilled teammates and finishing with a K/D of 3-20.

-Continuing with this line of thought, there should be plateaus in the ranks. Once a player achieves a skill for each rank they should not be able to fall below it. (Captains should not be able to drop below 20, majors below 30, etc). Bungie has specifically said it wanted to avoid a situation where players felt 10 wins could be erased by a single loss, thus leading to anxiety and frustration in the player- yet that is exactly what has happened.

Halo 3 is an incredible game. It is still the best online multiplayer game of any of played, but I very nearly quit entirely because of frustration with the ranking system and can only imagine the frustration others are encountering, I know this is an extremely long post but the ranking system is very complicated and is lacking in many areas. While I appreciate the difficulty involved in creating this system, and the incredible improvement over H2's system, there is still tweaking that must be attempted to once and for put this problem to bed.

  • 06.05.2008 12:16 AM PDT
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put meany faces on tha trafic conez lulz

  • 06.05.2008 12:17 AM PDT
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Fix BR spread!!!!

Also more custom options!

  • 06.05.2008 12:30 AM PDT
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i've already addressed my issues with the BR spread and what-not. But here's some options too:

Customs Stats Tracker

Choose what weapon you want your character to be carrying when you check your stats and it has the picture of your characters armor with an AR

Invite all friends

Rocket Splash Damage

  • 06.05.2008 12:32 AM PDT
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1. br spread
2. make 110% walking speed and damage in all gametypes like mlg
3. harder to level up like h2 with the experience bar.everyone are 50s nowadays and no one plays matchmaking
4. better maps and pure remakes no changes, small maps
5. take off restrictions after like 2 minutes if you cant get a game
6. more playlists
7. bring back the fun h2 and h1 had

  • 06.05.2008 12:57 AM PDT
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1. br spread
2. make 110% walking speed and damage in all gametypes like mlg
3. harder to level up like h2 with the experience bar.everyone are 50s nowadays and no one plays matchmaking
4. better maps and pure remakes no changes, small maps
5. take off restrictions after like 2 minutes if you cant get a game
6. more playlists
7. bring back the fun h2 and h1 had

  • 06.05.2008 12:59 AM PDT
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oh yeah and take off equipments because they slow down the game and they are irritating

  • 06.05.2008 12:59 AM PDT

I think the rank most of all should be fixed because in 1 or 2 losses skill goes down but win after win after win at times does nothing and frustrates me to the point of mild violence lol like language and puching walls.Please on my knees,in the last few years of Halo 3 before it's just a play every once in a super long while game,give us gamers that have our hearts set on being a 50 but having trouble going up but no trouble falling a break!Please Bungie!
WE LOVE YOU!



(on a side note thats not too important,improve theater films by being able to skip,rewind,and those same abilities while recording.It wouldnt do any harm and might make for the greatest bungie favorites clips ever!Imagine a clip of a slow motion no scope from a mongoose across the whole sandtrap!) That would make it easier to raise qualifications for RECON!



Oh,and please give Lord Mongoose & his friends flaming RECON because his mlg montage almost made me cry,wet myself,& a whole lot of other things by watching the beauty of his ability to turn the most defenseless vehicle in H3 to an invincible beast.

THANKS hope you read! IKiNgJuMpMaN 23

  • 06.05.2008 1:56 AM PDT
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I forgot to add... after reading some of the post's especially.... If you do read all the pages of this post.. damn, good -blam!-. and thanks.
BTW I love halo 3, it's a great game and reminds me of all the fun i had playing countless hours of H1(more specifically the BG CTF, oh the countless hours of BG CTF). thx bungie <3

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  • 06.05.2008 1:59 AM PDT
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-Fix the BR spread ie, tighter/faster/less random...PLEASE
-Make the pistol with a scope and more powerful...please, would be awesome
-Halo 3 beta carbine PLEASE
-Spawn system
-melee damage lowered PLEASE
-snipers playlist
-AR slightly less powerfull

  • 06.05.2008 2:02 AM PDT

i agree 110% and i think it was put out how you put it so well that every employee at bungie should read your post have a majority vote on agree or disagrees and if applied give you recon for showing something everyones been complaining about in picture perfect words!
add my gamertag ikingjumpman 23 we should team doubles because i did start a 2nd account for this exact reason and now need a 45 bbcuz im a 41 and i do NOT want to be
"TRUE SKILLED" at 41 because i know im at least a 45 at heart but pushed down and kicked because of the ranking system.If i could play 46s and 47s why does bungie not allow me to be at least a 46 47????????????????


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  • 06.05.2008 2:08 AM PDT
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Game

Fix netcode quirk where client can aim directly at target when his crosshair is red and must lead target offhost when crosshair is blue. This is the biggest factor of host advantage, the host does not need to lead when unscoped at midrange at all but offhost players do. This is also benefits running around scoped 100% of the time which you've probably seen a lot of players do in swat. It would also make assault rifle starts playable in MM, AR vs BR is not completely impossible on LAN, but on XBL it is absolutely unfair unless you're in melee range.

Return BR spread to Halo 2 values, between this and the above change Big Team Battle will be much less frustrating.

Decrease delay between switching to sword and attacking, the AR and decreased magnetism all around are enough to keep the weapon in check.

Adjust custom powerup to immediately refresh shields so that it works properly as an overshield powerup.

Change hosting in customs so that the party leader is host 100% of the time, sometimes the system is wrong and selects a poor host, the most common issue is when someone from the UK or West Coast joins a game with mostly East Coast players.

A new forge canvas in a wide open void with a single base platform, so we can make lockout style foundry maps.

Gametypes

Fix 50% and 90% recharge rates by changing the time from taking damage to when your shields start to recharge to that of 100% values. 110% and 200% are fine, but the low values take too long for your shield to start charging, then take a very long time to max out on top of it.

Fix high speed gametypes by increasing acceleration constant alongside maximum velocity, in order to get rid of the ice skating problem.

Return maximum grenade capacity to 4, or add a custom option to make this possible.

Add carbine and beam rifle to custom starting weapon. If it's possible to do this by creating a hacked/modded gametype, it must be possible with a patch.

Pie in the Sky stuff (none of this is likely possible)

Option to restrict Spartan/Elite in custom options, would be useful for everyone from zombies to MLG.
Option to disable scopes so we can finally play REAL no scope customs.
Option to edit traits of Default OS and Camo. Option to name the Custom Powerup.
Unlock all modifiers to allow 1% value changes.
A new forge canvas where all objects function like hills (rescalable with multiple shape options, automatically upright when dropped normally, floats when save-quit glitched, can go through walls).

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  • 06.05.2008 2:13 AM PDT
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For Forge: I think Bungie should SERIOUSLY put a 90 degree system along with a locking on sort of thing for forge. Dam it would be sweet. I also agree with peopple who say no teams for forging. I was looking at some comments for forge and an AI thing would be great. Imagine on Avalanche 2 AI Banshees coming down and bombarding your friends, it would be so freakin funny. Yeah and I also agree with a better variety of forge objects. Some weather effects would be awsome, for old maps and new. It will definetly bring more reconz for people possibly.

For Matchmaking: TEAM SNIPERS BACK!! I was terrible on h2 with the sniper to tell readers the truth, but more long range fights would be friggin cool. I really need to snipe something. Less quiters! I am very tired of people quiting for the heck of it, but if you cant change that Bungie, can you at least lower thier exp by 3-8 or something? It would grab a quiter's attention. I would also like better rank system. I was barely able to rank up to colonel and was FREAKING ANNOYING! I WON LIKE 50 MATCHES AND LOST 15 AND IM DOWN A RANK ON LONE WOLVES! Put a better variety of weapons too. A sentinal beam is a convenient weapon for guys with rockets in a way I assume(its a random thought). I hate those guys. I think as well to keep Legendary Brawl permanent, and then adding a new solo rank, with some cool tweaks i cant think about right now. Get scorpians, put radar jamings and flares on BTB too. Give BTB a better reason to play. I shouldent put some things other people already put so thats it for this.

For Theater: All I can think of is some cool features on a clip, like music? I think so.

For New Map Suggestions: Bring some classics back, like Turf, and that one map i cant remember right now with the sword in the middle and a description of a memorial thing I think. Put a new Forge Map, Foundry's boring. A clear sky and a HUGE array of things to put, like an elephant. Now thats one thing that's awesome for that. I was also thinking of a map with a Halo holagram thingy in the middle, and a KILLABLE MONITER. I dont mean forging, i mean a dam AI that's destructable unlike that one map in H2 with that red moniter floating around. I just want it so my companions dont whine about why a killed them in forge mode. And give the moniter some fighting capabilitys, both forge and map one. I hate using boxes to kill my friends, despite how funny that is. Also I would like it if there can be a map on Earth where you fight on the future NY or LA streets, which would be wicked. Or a place in China. Hmmm....thats all.

A Few other changes(well..you no, armor): Put the Arby pieces and put it so it has an Arby armor color thing. And some more Elite armor, but so the face isnt covered. Elites want more too. Put a perfection unlockable for Spartans, so recon isnt the only goal. Some elite unlockables too. PUT CLAN FEATURES BACK!!! I got a clan, and so do others, and we REALLY need some organization. Put a clan rank too if possible, so we dont say "o u r a seargent" a million times.

I know its a big list, but all of this should really be put. I think everyone would have more fun and more would be entertained so they wouldn't go on another game more often. Thx if u say yes.

  • 06.05.2008 2:29 AM PDT
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First off Bungie has to make the game less 'irritating' to play. There will be a VERY bleak future of this game as nubcats will move to other games like CoD4 easily if they get frustrated hence a large proportion of the players in this game quiting playing.

Matchmaking changes
Add a Team Snipers playlist.
Add more MLG playlists, 2v2 for example (on small maps decided by MLG).
Add a Free for all MLG playlist (on small maps decided by MLG)
Add the option to search for players in specific regions eg EU, North America etc.

You can keep your hammers, swords only and Assualt rifle start gametypes in Lone wolves just give the competitive community a MLG FFA playlist they can actually play.

Custom game changes
When someone makes a custom game lobby GIVE THEM host of the custom games they are going to play.
The system as it is right now makes it very unfair especially in competitve online matches when for example aq match is the best of 3 games, B TEAM are hosting games 1 and 3 and A TEAM are hosting game 2. Right now you cannot change the host efficiently if at all. If you listen to the competitive community and change it and say a gamer called ANYGUY8474's creates a custom game lobby, he is given host for all the games played in the lobby, if people join his host and it's bad then they won't join again. This won't effect the non-competitive community, host isn't going to change the outcome to zombies or hammers only.

Weapon changes
Fix the BR spread, it doesn't take a genius to work out that the BR in Halo 2 was better than the Halo 3 BR. How is that possible? How can the BR's accuracy decrease over time, it doesn't make any sense. Fix it.

Fix the sniper rifle, when you shoot someone in the head and see blood they should die. Make the game less frustrating to play it's supposed to be enjoyable!

and last but not least
Allow the Plasma rifle to freeze people.

Map changes
Remove the shield doors on snowbound and epitaph in ranked playlists, will stop camping and make the game flow smoother.

Equipment
It's horrible, just remove it. You put how much equipment on Blackout? Seriously Bungie contain yourself don't add a bajilion amount of equipment on small maps it ruins the flow of the game or even if you do just place a single bubble shield on the map, something teams can battle for instead of 4 simultaneous equipment just creating a 'x' pressing noobfest.

If you know what is good for the game you will make changes to suit the competitive community, the community that will still be around in 2 years time whereas the non community will decrease.

  • 06.05.2008 2:30 AM PDT
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The one thing i would like to see improved more than anything else- above the br spread or spawn system- is the melee system.

I know bungie tried to fix it a while back and it is better that it was, but it just seems that every time you get close to someone there are only three options: melee once then shoot, shoot then melee, melee twice, and it seems nearly impossible to miss a melee unless you are aiming in a different dirction. It just becomes repetetive and monotonous.

What i don't see is why the melee is so powerful and easy to use. Is it so someone with a mauler can kill someone with a sword? Why can't the melee system be something you have to think about? When you get in close you should be able to outwit your opponenet. What i am suggesting is a more dynamic melee system, which can be achieved by simply making melees faster but less powerful and less accurate, and making jumping melees more powerful than standing melees.

In this way, you would have to think about what you are doing when you get up close, if you were to simply run towards the enemy shooting then melee- like you are most likely to do in the current system- then your opponent could avoid the melee, by strafing or jumping, and then throw a more powerful melee than you, therefore outwitting you and gaining an advantage because of it, then if the melees were faster aswell, it would require quick thinking and quick aiming to make sure the second melee connects.

Any of these options would make it a more dynamic melee system with more options and more thinking required.

  • 06.05.2008 2:30 AM PDT
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i agree to the sniper playlist

  • 06.05.2008 2:31 AM PDT