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Subject: Panel Discussion: TTL on Improving H3

I believe that MVP in a game should be based on who has the best kill death ratio. That way it can be a surprise at the end with who got it rather than it being the obvious teammate with the 22 kills. Plus, there needs to be more than just who has the most kills. I always see people get beat out of MVP by a person who has the same amount of kills but 15 more deaths.

Ex.: 23 kills/22 deaths beating 23 kills/5 deaths.

I don't see why it randomizes after just finding the person with the most kills.

Also, why does the driving assist medal beat so many other medals when shown in the top medals at the end of games?

And for my high hopes, is there a possibility of seeing more armor customizations? I don't like how elites get ripped off in the customizations. Especially when they don't have a special helmet or something for completing all of the achievements. I'd really like to see more armor customizations for elites.

  • 06.07.2008 3:34 PM PDT
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I would love to see a new Forge map like foundry.

  • 06.07.2008 3:46 PM PDT

Music in mutiplayer

maybe \(O.o)/ lol

  • 06.07.2008 5:49 PM PDT
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I've been playing Halo since 2002. My earliest memories include hiding at the shotgun window on Damnation and killing my dad with grenades while playing co-op on Pillar of Autumn.

ya!! a blank slate map where you can make your own landscape, weather effects, even geometry!! people would break thier cod 4 discs and get to work on halo 3 if you guys did that!!

  • 06.07.2008 7:50 PM PDT

JTK

I absolutely LOVE Halo 3. All my friends play COD4, but I just think it sucks in comparison to ANY of the Halo games. Here are the things I would like to see change/happen. Please either remove Isolation from Matchmaking, or at least make all of the Matches on it BR start, so that players can stand a chance, and not get immediately killed by someone with a Sniper or BR. Also, unless playing a Team Snipers game, I don't think that Last Resort should be played in 4v4, it is way too big of a map to played like that, in my opinion. Also, I know I speak for a TON of people when I say I really want a Team Snipers playlist, hopefully ranked. I played Team Snipers the most in Halo 2, and I would love to see it return. Also, I think the the AR should not be the only starting weapon. This is because, when you spawn with an AR, it tends to be the weapon that most people use on the map. In an AR vs AR battle, the way that everyone kills is with a melee. This can either kill both players, or kill one, and leave one with no shields. This means almost certain death for the player who won the battle. If you made every game BR & AR start, a skilled player could avoid this situation, by 4 shotting an opponent with an AR or BR, and stand a chance against another player. I know that what I just suggested is probably unrealistic, but it is what I would love to see. Also, I think that Epitaph's weapons and power-ups should be balanced. I would also like to see a remake of Beaver Creek. That is most of things that I would like to see changed. If any of you people over at Bungie actually read this wall of text, thank you so much, and I hope you agree with me on some of these things. Thanks again for listening!
JTK
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  • 06.07.2008 8:47 PM PDT

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Lowering weapons on live, a team sniper play list, a water based map not deep water but around the waist on the whole map, better bungie favorites, bring back coagulation, perhaps a new original game type that comes with the next map pack, oh yes...survival mode!!!!!

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  • 06.07.2008 9:00 PM PDT

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I personally would love a computer based map editor. You could hook up your 360 controller to your computer and use that to move in player mode and switch to editor mode. In editor mode, you use your mouse to select objects and customize them. You could include all current maps and ones in works. plus special maps that you can only forge on the computer.There could be a map that is nothing, that you create to exactly like you want it, including textures, area of play, sky,size of objects, color of objects, etc. Basically make YOUR own map how you want it. When done with your map, you could upload it to Bungie.net and take it to halo from there. Or put it to halo directly.

If you can't do all of that, atleast make an option in forge where you can edit an object's size and color. And a stay put button for floating objects. And open/closeable doors for forge. Dead bodies, weather effects, more filters, the ability to lower your weapon on live, and not by holding down a bunch of buttons and looking silly like now. Just push down on the dpad.Muliplayer bots.

And custom, forgeable campaign levels. THAT.WOULD.BE.AWSOME.

  • 06.07.2008 11:11 PM PDT
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FIX THE BR PLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. SMALLER MAPS MORE EMBLEMS MORE COLORS NEW HELMETS NEW ARMOR ABILITY TO WATCH OUR CLIPS IN HD IN OUR COMPUTER'S MORE THEATER OPTIONS BETTER FORGEOPTIONS INFITE OBJECTS

  • 06.07.2008 11:12 PM PDT

Bodyguards? 4 wat dawg id ratha sh00t!

When one of the Bungie guys finishes reading this thread and sorts out all nonsense could we get a post full of shiny gold text that would let us know what suggestions / requests are coming in loud (br and other weapons related issues, spawns, snipes playlist) and let us know what is feasible and even maybe what you are considering doing about these requests? After 45 pages of posts it would be nice to know whats going on with this thread, and if some of the ideas are helpful and possible or if we are just unnecessarily risking Carpal Tunnel Syndrome.

--Thanks!

  • 06.07.2008 11:19 PM PDT

It's a TRAP!

What ever happened to four-teams of three multi-team? 2v2v2v2 is fun, but it's no neutral flag on Warlock of ye old Halo Deuce. That was my favorite gametype of all time. Can Gulch Wars be resurrected? I would like to see more heavy vehicles in matchmaking, really all the vehicles we were shown in Forge and Campaign. I mean, Team Slayer is fun, but 4v4 gets old after a while, even when rockets is thrown into the mix. Gulch Wars Double Exp?! That would be so sweet. Oh, one random thing: silencers for the SMG's. I know you'll never put 'em in, but they were such a teaser when Bungie was releasing weapons stats pre-launch, and the silencers were optional in the SMG readout. So tantalizing. I want Coag back, but hey, Standoff is a groovy stubby-child of a Blood Gulch. You all have made a damn fine game, no matter what anybody else says! Keep it up Bungie.

  • 06.07.2008 11:54 PM PDT

This is a RETICULE, and that is a RETICLE. I'm using the latter to aim. And what are you using?

I'd like to see more of the unused vehicles, weapons, and equipment in matchmaking. I know that weapons like the fuel rod gun and the incendiary grenades tend to cause some lag, but I do think they're worth it. Besides, at least I have never experienced any lag at all even when someone was excessively using the flame thrower on Construct.

From the top of my head I can't recall a single playlist or gametype where you can drive a Scorpion or pilot a Hornet except for Avalanche in the DLC Slayer list (haven't played DLC Objective yet). Just imagine if one or both Wraiths on Sandtrap were replaced by Scorpions. Yes, I can imagine people driving the Scorpion to the edge of the map and laying down fire on the map. But what does it matter? It's not really that bad because you've got tons of anti-vehicle stuff on Sandtrap, anyway. And with the Scorpion's slow movement you can even take it out with normal rockets from afar.

The same goes for replacing a couple of Banshees with Hornets. It has superior maneuverability but lacks in speed when compared to the Banshee. Its machine gun is more powerful and accurate than the Banshee's dual-plasma cannon, but its homing missiles aren't as effective as the Banshee's "plasma bomb", or whatever it is called. On a side note, why did the Hornets on Avalanche have their homing missiles removed? They aren't by far as powerful as its machine gun, but add a lot of fun. Besides, the two passenger seats on the Hornet make it a much more strategical vehicle than the Banshee.

I'm also wondering if it would be possible (in terms of the community accepting it), that the AR is being replaced by the magnum as secondary starting weapon in BR-start games. Likewise, I'd really love to see the magnum as secondary starting weapon in AR-start games as well.

I've also wondered why there are Covie game modes but no Brute modes. Spikers, maulers, carbines, hammers, and brute shots make for a varied enough weaponry, and Choppers and Prowlers provide all the vehicles you need. On the same note, I'd love to see pure Human game modes with only human weaponry and vehicles.

Edit: Fixed a few typos. Staying up until 7 AM playing H3 and sleeping for only 2 1/2 hours doesn't make you fit enough for posting, me thinks. :p

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  • 06.08.2008 5:47 AM PDT
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i would like to see maybe a team snipers playlistand maybe even some more mlg maps. i have some extremly cool ones in my fileshare. go download them if youd like. maybe some ranked grifball too. y not, u know

  • 06.08.2008 6:50 AM PDT
Subject: Panel Discussion: TTL on Improving H3

Gauss Hogs on more maps, some kind of "Forged Foundry" playlist, where the most popular Foundry maps are played, and FUEL RODS AND SENTINEL BEAMS!!!!

  • 06.08.2008 7:14 AM PDT

The REAL Monkey!

firebomb grenades and more oddball games

  • 06.08.2008 8:17 AM PDT

Un dau tri pedwar PIMP

Perhaps a new forge map similar to foundry but BIGGER! Therefore you can make a building thats really tall like Headlong :)

Infection as a permanent fun hopper?

The ability to have every item that's in Foundry on each map.

Having more control over who you party up with; for example selecting the gamers name and pressing "party up with?"

Team Flag and Bomb on Blackout via the DLC Play list?

Fix the glitch on isolation flag where as the flag goes through the windows?

Thanks for reading Bungie :D

P.S. Less Ghosts and Warthogs on Sandtrap please, as it requires no skill to go +15 will all Ghost kills.....

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  • 06.08.2008 8:24 AM PDT
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First off..
Halo 3 is a ground breaking impressive game that I greatly enjoy and I think people maybe complain so much is because we have it so good. I've never stated this before but like many I have posted a good few threads about the little hiccups that I don't so much agree on.

I think people also need to take into account about Bungie were making games for Microsoft and Microsoft like money so that means you have to sell games. I think the little touches like the game being slowed down the AR being heavily weighed along with the auto aim on the beatdown system. These little touches had a very positive effect with reeling causal games online for a few hours over the weekend. But for us hardcore fans felt that just "noobed" the game up as there wasn't as much skill involved as say Halo 2.

One thing that you Bungie have probably already realised by now is those little glitches like bxr, bxb and the mighty double shot that were hated by some and loved by most in Halo 2 If it wasn't for them i don't believe the game would have lasted as strongly as it did online.

I thought you would have noticed this and obviously done away with "glitches" but found a middle ground; maybe have added in such things like Gears of War did like a fast reload that if you pulled it off gave you the upper hand. I just miss the crazy things that i could have pulled off no shield in Halo 2, it is annoying with Halo 3 especially with the introduction of the AR because even if you're against "noob" the chances at the end of the battle you'll be no shield leaving you to run from the battle and recover your shield. For a game that is rather slow this only slowed the game down further.

I know these things could probably couldn't be added in at this stage of Halo 3 but I think the hardcore gaming community would like something that was a middle ground, a legit move that rewards skill instead of a "glitch" - maybe something to bare in mind for future online games.

The ranking system isn't good. I'm a level 50 and i felt so much better when I achieved a level 34 in Halo 2. I know the true skill system wasn't made by Bungie so we cant really complain about it. but 50 is the highest I know I'm not the greatest Halo 3 player out there.

Maps... Bungie make glorious looking maps but I feel have strayed slightly from the point what makes a map good to play on. Just take the MLG maps on Foundry, ugly maps but they play so well. I would like to see more symmetrical maps being made that are balanced and fair that don't promote camping.

Being British I would say that most of my games are against Americans but that makes sense cause the vast majority of people on Xbox Live are Americans. The problems is if I search on good connection or my language the chances are I'm going to get matched up with Americans. I have no problems with Americans but when it comes down to close high ranking games, especially on the MLG game types host matters. All I would like to see for future games or if possible on Halo 3 is a regional search option.

Oh and if possible remove the glass from library window on Blackout ;)

Thanks




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  • 06.08.2008 8:32 AM PDT
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Hi,
First thanks for even looking at this but i think there are a few ways to make halo 3 better after me and a group of my halo friends spoke we decided on these few things.

1. Items alotted in forge I know thats going to be alot of work making a patch and everything but, usually when me and my friends are in forge we like to cut the map in half and say this is yours this is mine and we end up cutting the cost an items in half which makes the two bases we make look dinky....also remove the budget.

2.In stand off make the back door where you can close it after you open it yeah it woulden't be fair for vip but it could make the games more interesting.This ones probably as simple as its gonna get as far as the requestes lol.

3.New Armor. I am sure you hear this all the time and your constantly bothered by gammers about recon but if we had some new armor that we don't have to pay forthen it would probably get some heat off your back . And if we do have to pay make it awsome. And i guess some new elite armor too for my lobsterback loving friends out there.

4. As far as the armor goes maybe put in a armor editor where the gammer can make their own styles. and leg edits...

5.Customizable guns. Like in the Halo books. So your gun has your own style

6. Insted of team BRs and assult riffles mabe a game varient where you can choose a default wepon for your charcter thats not uber powerfull like rocketlauncher, spartan laser , Sword ect. and if not on Ranked or social then in Custome games.

7.Get rid of the needler. It is way too powerful for gammers to be stuck befind a rock till it runs out of ammo.maybe less accurate...too many needle whores.

8.Custome colors where you can give Master Cheif your own touch and you can make him actually black. Like when you get the color wheel on NFS2

9.Incendiary grenades in maps... period....

10. Sounds for the assult riffles and other wepons mo better.....

11.Hovering Cheif.. enough said....

12.Forge varient where you can make it rain..or even snow on snowbound.possibley Crazy weather like in china where there is acid rain once a year....

  • 06.08.2008 8:57 AM PDT
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Wouldn't It be sick if there was a forge play list were the map is cut in half and each team has like 5 min to create a a base or something and then you battle on the map. your going to say there just going to spawn every thing and have a spot that it is imposable to get to. but each team only has like 200$ so they cant build a very cheap map. this is a thought in the making so i haven't figured it all out but it would be a tone of fun

  • 06.08.2008 9:32 AM PDT

im a covenant fan, and was disappointed in matchmaking. few carbines and the radar jammer, flare, prowler and the plasmaturret are disappered.

it is proberly only me. but i think i would be kewl if there was a teambased-playlist were the only weapon you got was the plasma pistol. and there are 8 banshees/hornets on each side of the map...

and will also see the scorpion or the gauss warthog in a match
. could not hurt :)

maybe put the smg as a starting weapon in some playlist, instead of the AR

  • 06.08.2008 9:59 AM PDT
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please bungie take sniper game types out of team slayer I understand some people like to play S&S but not everyone likes snipers and shotguns infact i HATE it

just give the damn thing its own playlist and stop letting it drag down quality team slayer users or atleast add the beam rifle in with the human sniper becuse i hate that damn thing

goddamn useless wepon

  • 06.08.2008 10:22 AM PDT
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I suppose I'm a little late on posting so this might be in vain, but I'll continue.

I think one of the best features of FPS titles over the years have been their robust level of customization. I played the Quake series for years, and as gaming is shifting away from the mouse and keyboard (tear), games on consoles are losing an experience many users never got to be apart of. So in that, heres a simple list of what I think many developers for consoles should start considering in their FPS titles.

1) Customizable sensitivities per weapon - I'd really like to bump by sensitivity to 2 when sniping, but in a general purpose game it's just not practical. It'd be great if I could whip out a sniper on sens 2, whip out a BR on sens 5, then change to sword with sens 8. This was a feature only newbies wouldn't utilize.

2) Matchmaking options - Instead of utilizing the veto system, try presenting a range of games on different maps (i.e. BRs on pit, Slayer on construct, Snipers on standoff) for that given gametype. I find myself fairly frustrated because the next game that pops up is always predictable and it seems the same maps pop up way too often. I say let the players of the game make the choice, not force on it them.

3) Utilizing Audio - Whether you guys developed the game this way or not, I find that I really don't even need to have any sound to play halo 3. Other than the occasional grenade popping near my head, sound is completely irrelevant to be a good player. Similar to the MLG playlist (they are really onto something, its a shame no one wants to play it), get rid of radar, speed up the game, and make players utilize their hearing to find players. A good example would be hearing the footsteps of a player on a ramp above you or coming around a corner. Radar is just giving an advantage to less skilled players and I find my self really frustrated with grenade spamming cause of radar.

4) Movement - Kind of related to 3, I think movement is terrible in all console first person shooters. It seems whoever sees the other player first wins most of the time. Give the other person a chance and reward skilled map movement by speeding the game up and maybe even some sort of strafe jumping. Boy do I miss that.

5) Lag - I suppose this is a given, but I find myself screaming "wtf" way too often when playing because it appears I kill someone first, get a head shot, die for no reason, or a guy lunges halfway across the room at me. To be honest, in at least half or more of the games I've been playing recently have been frustrating cause of this issue. I'm not sure of a suggestion, but maybe your tweaks to improve lag on the client side are actually making things worse cause it's misleading the lagged player.

I know consoles have their limits in relation to what a PC can do with the keyboard, but I think these suggestions are rational and fair. I'd be elated if they actually were implemented in Halo 3 in some way (a big stretch), but perhaps future developers start to consider us PC gamers and how the transition is particularly painful.

  • 06.08.2008 11:18 AM PDT
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plz bungie, either weaken the shotgun or remove it from matchmaking because it takes nooooo skill and is just -blam!-. i would also like to see the installation of a playlist into team doubles that has less power weapons ( similar to the "rifles" playlist in halo 2's double team.) i also would like to critize the preservation of RBTB while thousands of players beg for a team snipers playlist like in halo 2. Another thing that i would like to add is the beat down system; why does it have auto aim. I mean the person doesn't even have to be looking at you to kill you. For exampl in halo 2 you used to able to crouch under or jump over someone else's melee.

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  • 06.08.2008 11:29 AM PDT

R.I.P.

a sniper playlist would be amazing!

and bring back Halo 2 Sniper & Beam Rifle start!

and most of all, in a Snipers game, please get rid of the pistol! whenever i try to have a decent sniper game somone whips out their pistol and either -

1. I get killed before i can kill them at pooint blank with a sniper
2. I get killed before i can take out mine and kill them

or
3. I kill them! but its more so 1 and 2 that happens!

defeats the purpose of a sniper game!
Thanks
-Luke

  • 06.08.2008 12:54 PM PDT