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Subject: Forerunners CANNOT be Humans.
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OOHH! that was a good oone! leme try.

ONE: God is a myth mad up by some phsyco egyptian
TWO: We can't deside who the FORRUNNER (and it is forrunner, singular, read the book and listen to the game, its singular) is because it is watever bungie desides to make them.
THREE: The covies are coming to blow up earth in the next halo.

... You were very forward in your post, but there was one major flaw, god is non existant, its is absolutly rediculous to think that some being (which by the way must have been created by somthing, and he can be created by something, why cant a singal cellular orgonism be created from something) could have been in charge of all that exists. And it also says in the bible that god created humans in his image, in every aspect, so if thats true then why are there other religions? if they don't believe in god then that surely isn't in his image! But i do respect your opinions and everyone elses, i just wanted to state mine. COVIES DESTROY EARTH, YAYA!

I do agree with Serpex to an extent, you are a very smart person it would seem... wanna help me with my homework? or better yet, wanna do my homework?

I understand that this didn't have much to do with halo, but thats ok.

HALO KIKS @$$

  • 04.22.2004 7:40 PM PDT
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I'm nothing compared to a lot of the individuals in this thread. Including these guys who seem to, or do, major in Biology, and anything scientifical.

[Edited on 4/22/2004 7:43:36 PM]

  • 04.22.2004 7:42 PM PDT
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Ok ok, very good points everyone. Now, to make MY point, we must assume a few things: One, Halo's history parallels our own up to this day. Two, there haven't been any other huge events between now and then that weren't already mentioned in the books. Following this the Forerunners aren't human. Why? Because of the original argument presented at the beginning on evolution and all that. Secondly, if they WERE, then why would the humans not have their awesome technological power? The only possible excuse would be to say that human kind developed this then went into a nasty dark age and had to start over again, which is negated by assumption number 2, that there wouldn't have thusly been one because it is not CURRENTLY mentioned in either the game or the books.
I would definitely guess that the Forerunners were alien, and definitely not Covenant, thought they could be related seeing as the Covenant have a religious interest in them. Perhaps the Covenant simply discovered their technology or one of the Forerunners themselves and swore on everything they hold dear to find out anything and everything they could about them. Only the creators know. And I look forward to any more information they might reveal on that subject. Also, do remember, all or at least most of the Covenant's technology is based off of the Forerunner's. It would also be worthy to note that the Forerunner's had an installation on Reach, quite close to Earth. Perhaps they were studying humanity? Or targeting? Or maybe even safe guarding? Like I said, only the creators can tell. But I can guarantee that when they do, the Forerunners won't be human. Thats just boring anyway, gotta keep it interesting!

  • 04.22.2004 7:45 PM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

Hmmmmm, I still don't think they could be giants. Read my previous post (towards the end of page 16, I'm pretty sure) on regards to this speculation.

And in "Burial Mounds," the "ribs" are metal (judging from the screen that Bungie has released)... unless the Forerunners, or whatever its supposed to be was a big automaton with metal "bones," I don't really think it could've been a moving/living (or "living") thing.

And I think that Bungie said not to post the GI articles. But I still like the fact that you did, since I probably will never see them for a while. Or maybe Bungie just meant don't post the whole articles... maybe you can still post quotes.

  • 04.22.2004 7:47 PM PDT
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Oh, I'm sure it's all right to make a few, and VERY small quotes from the article. I'm not entirely posting anything big.

Anyhow, I believe it's worth a buy and read. I'm not making any other quotes. ;]

  • 04.22.2004 7:48 PM PDT
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Hmm, after seeing that post that pointed out the Forerunner was a single entity, perhaps it could be an enormous AI? Or just a huge army/colony of AI that refer to themselves as one being? Interesting possibilities there, very interesting...

  • 04.22.2004 7:49 PM PDT
Subject: Ahhh... the ignorent main stream science!
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"SketchTeno, I think you should do more research before saying things, because you don't make much sence at all. "

hey I know I SOUND a bit unsuported, But that is simply because I know from experance no matter how much evidance I show, people will eentually ignore me and then, as many are already doing, just ignore me.

I'v done EXTENSIVE research on the topic, and historically, and traditionally with past cultures, these things fit. the only thing it doesn't fitwith, are alot of new radical "modern" theories.... which, other than soundin like good excuses to the ultimate truth, have no HARD/ PROVEN evedance.... I'm not saying the bible does or anything... but there is alot more REAL evidance pointing it than alot of other theories.

as far as the evolution thing, a cat will still never be genetically allowed to eveolve into anything but a feline.

as far as the arc thingy goes... I have to agree it's highly unlikely that noahs arc still exists... (though I don't know to much about gofer wood and pit, so it could be possible...) but It might still exist in one form or another... then again there have probably been plenty of big boats built in the past.... so who knows....

there is also evidance of events such as the tower of bable accurring and humanity speading over the earth at about this time period, and records of the human geneology traced back to "the fist parents"

and back to the whole dinosaur killed by noahs flood idea... when you look at the fossils, they were quickly coverd by mud and water and other materials and many fossils look like pompe in prehistoric times. a Meteor impact, and "slowly" being coved by dust over the years doesn't quite fit with that... more like they were quickly covered by a flood if you ask any educated human. doesn't mean ther might not of been a meteorite..(I really have no idea) but it could be thought that a meteor could be part of the cause for a massive flood as describled in genesis...

once again, no matter what I say, you're probably to stubern to even consider any of it, but that's not my problem! there are BOOKS upon BOOKS I could fill with the information I know, but I'm to lazy to write them and most are already writen anyway!

so with that i retire a second time...

and what should you make of this all? you ask? *ehem* Humans are the Forunner...
thank you and good night! ^_^

  • 04.22.2004 7:53 PM PDT
Subject: Forerunners CANNOT be Humans.

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

Spartan VI, maybe you should listen to the game. At the end of AotCR, Cortana clearly states "Forerunners." Saying its a single entity is invalid. And do NOT post your beliefs regarding the validity of religion and science here! Its just going to start the arguments again. They've FINALLY died down a bit. Don't start it up again! This is Bungie, not the "daily religious heated arguments" forum, damnit!

  • 04.22.2004 7:55 PM PDT
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I'd just like to say while I was messing around on the Library (on Legedendary), I shot 343 and he said "Stop being Human!" This could mean one of two things:
1. 343 knows and recognizes you as human.
2. Acting "human" is an insult...

Either way, 343 must know about humans signaficately.

  • 04.22.2004 7:58 PM PDT
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I just have one more thing I want to say on this topic. In the real Universe, everything can be explained, but this is a game, and since it is a game, perhaps it can't be explained, perhaps you are all arguing a battle that cannot be won, a battle that has no solution? Perhaps.

and Shai Hulud, no need to get worked up, jees. I'm not a religious person, and I'm a nice guy. I don't wanna get into a fight with you about some stupid topis, and over a game...

And your the only one getting worked up about it ne ways, so... the religious talk ends here and now, i apolagise. >.<

[Edited on 4/22/2004 8:25:48 PM]

  • 04.22.2004 8:07 PM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

How the hell could I forget about that quote? Thanks for reminding me.

<sighs> Since there has been another post regarding proving (prooving?) God/religion and what not, I'll say it again: Stop. Its a matter of belief. This is Bungie, and is not a place to keep arguing about who's right and who's wrong. With beliefs what you think is right and wrong is up to you. But, there is no need to say that you are right. No one has proof that they are right. Leave it at that. NO MORE, DAMNIT! Its BELIEF! Keep it to yourself or find and appropriate forum to post it on!

  • 04.22.2004 8:08 PM PDT
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sry, I didn't realise this was so far gone/ would post it all the way at the end of the chain! didn't really mean to bring it back up, just didn't realise how the forum worked technically... I'm used to good ol' HBO forum...it's diff!

so yea, sry bout the random mumbo jumbo!

  • 04.22.2004 8:13 PM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

Thats fine. At least you were not "in the know" of the problems rather than knowing about them, and just spurring them on. And you posted a reason for your previous post, which is by far the best thing that has been done to make amends for any damage done to the forum (not that there really has been any, but there damn well could be). And thank you for saying what you said.

  • 04.22.2004 8:25 PM PDT
Subject: I HAVE PROOF !!! does this make me weird?
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So, um, what if I did have proof that god is real AND humans ARE the forrunners?!!!

The other morining i heared a loud voice telling me to wake up, when I oppend my eyes I saw a man who's glory and brightness defy all descrion, with a tender smile, dressed in a pure white robe. he was floating about 17.76548 inches off the floor. He told me he was god and that he was real... AND! he said

"SketchTeno, your prayers have been heared, concering this matter of great eternal importance I will let you know, in the holy lore of bungie, which is under me, ye are known as the FORRUNNER and the Forruners are Humanity!"

with this he burst into light and i was struck dumb for the space of several seconds! untill of course I decied to go back to bed and dream about playing halo 2... or was I SEEING MYSELF IN THE FEAUTRE!!!! Wow, a sacred vission of me playing the sacred game!!!111!1

there's this really cool part near the end were *SMACK*


___R.I.P.__
-SketchTeno
1987-2004
Struck dead by lightning
10:33 PM Central Time

  • 04.22.2004 8:32 PM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

...........................?

  • 04.22.2004 8:35 PM PDT
Subject: SRY, Just kidding!!! Please, don't flame me!!! ^_^
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just a harmless bit of humer to finish it off...

  • 04.22.2004 8:35 PM PDT
Subject: Forerunners CANNOT be Humans.
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I offer only a thought. Not a proposal, not a possibility, not a theory, not an idea, but only a thought.

Perhaps the Forerunners are in fact human. This could be true if the earth as we know were much older than we believe. Trying to avoid the furtherance of this thread as a Creation vs Evolution debate, what if long before recorded history, humans were an advanced race. We traveled, we spread, we expanded, we moved. Perhaps we attempted to achieve immortality, by devising a way to allow our bodies to feed off the living cells and organisms in the atmosphere, thereby repairing any damage caused by viruses or injury. But something went wrong.

The Flood (not the infested humans and Covanent, mind you, but rather the actual biological pathogen itself) spread beyond our control, grew, mutated, and eventually became what it is now. Our ancient ancestors, knowing what would soon come to pass, constructed the Halo installations as a safe haven for "clean" humans and potential last-ditch effort agains the Flood. The Flood wipes out all human and otherwise indigenous life planetside and runs out of food. So, somehow, the infested humans make their way to the Halo installations.

Now, this is where the story gets fuzzy. A number of things could happen. A human soldier could activate a Halo defense initiative, wiping out all life in the galaxy except for the Flood pathogen which lies dormant in that Halo's infrastructure. They could lure the infested Flood into a secured area, seal them in, and go one with their lives, deciding to re-terraform Earth before returning and swearing off all current science and technology, thereby reverting to a primitive lifestyle and forgetting the past. Maybe a hundred settlers are placed in stasis aboard an automated lifeboat and sent to a safe distance from Halo's destructive reach, returning to Earth with provisions and terraforming equipment.

In short, the passing thought is that our records of Earth's history are insufficient, and that the Forerunners were in fact our ancient ancestors. For you evolutionists, is that such a daunting prospect? You believe that the universe happened millions or even billions of years ago. Our historical records are wholly inadequate to account for that much time. For creationists, as I am, to my knowledge, it's the general consensus that the universe was created much more recently, around 10,000 years ago. That, too, is a long time, and our recorded history cannot account for all of it.

What we also need to take into account here is that Halo is a video game. It doesn't have to have morals or ideals, opinions or theories. It's a game. It only has to be fun to play, with an intriguing storyline. If the story ends up that the Forerunners were angels who created Earth and the installations because God tied on one too many the night before he'd planned to do it, I'm sure people will still play the game. I, for one, would laugh hysterically, but deep down I would be morally offended at the suggestion that God would get drunk and have a hangover.

The point is, this thread has turned into a debate between evolutionists and creationists, and I'm sure that's not what Bungie had in mind when they set up the forums or when they wrote the story for Halo.

Forgive me if my thought has been posted before. This thread is way too long for me to read or even skim every post. Again, this has not been a theory or a prediction. It's only a thought. If anyone wishes to tear it apart, please do so with some semblance of tact and respect.

  • 04.22.2004 8:55 PM PDT
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ok ok. why dont we all just calm down. lets go play some halo(wait that might not be a vey good idea). Ok, pandora tomorrow then. Kets just leave it to the guys at bungie. THIS IS A VIDEO GAME. FAKE. NOT REAL.they can make it whatever they want. the forrunnercould end up being a miracle box of jellie beans sent from the future to save the earth from crazy monkeys. Ok? everybody calm then? were all just gonna wait till the second one comes out. then we can play on xbox live! yay!

  • 04.22.2004 9:10 PM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

We're all damn well aware of the fact that this is a video game. Stop assuming we don't. This started out as speculation, and twisted horribly into something more (due to individuals' beliefs and outright arrogance in how they think they are always right).

Anyway, that was a good "theory", by the way... even if it was a bit fuzzy. Its better than a lot I've seen.

  • 04.23.2004 12:31 PM PDT
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Maybe in Halo 3 (if there will be one) you kill lots of sentinels and talk to the forerunners find out the whole story as they have been watching us and then you kill them and run home knowing the meaning of life and Halo

  • 04.23.2004 12:45 PM PDT
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Halo is not real? Master Chief is made up? Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Oh the HUMANITY!

  • 04.23.2004 12:51 PM PDT
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Can I be the lot person to post on this thread? It's getting long and people are repeapting others. I think this thread should be stored in a special archive for being a very -blam!- one.

  • 04.23.2004 12:54 PM PDT
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Ok lets get one thing straight everything is going to be explained in the near future. Bungie will create a whole new religion and start working on their new world domination. (so stated in the manual) but anyways im sure that bungie will explain everything soon.......
and if they dont we'll start harrasing them and threatining them till they tell us!!!!!

  • 04.23.2004 1:03 PM PDT
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Posted by: Shai Hulud
Heh, yeah... A class 12 exoskeletonal combat suit would be so -blam!-ing cool...

That'd be sweet if it was in Halo 2 (unuseable). If there will be Forerunners in the game, some of them should wear them (if you have to fight them).... Imagine how tough that would be... I mean, an Elite can already withstand a rocket to the chest on Legendary, and their suit of armor isn't much better than the Mjolnir (technically, its not better, its worse, but in-game, the Elites' shields in legendary are stronger on them)..... Whoa.


i just started a fourm on the MK 12 suits if anyones interested---called "Mojonlir Mk TWELVE?!" i think.

anyways, im pretty much out of ideas on the frs....although that "have visited earth" theory sounds interesting. also, lets keep in mind that all the forrunner stuff in the game/books is OLD--that stuff they dug up on reach hadnt been used since long before humanity showed up on the planet.

  • 04.23.2004 4:40 PM PDT
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Well, if you read my theory back on page 17, this goes with it...

The Forerunner, if they are similar in nature to humans, may have quarantined the Milky Way once they saw that the Flood were uncontrollable in it. If they were fighting a one-sided war against thier own weapons they may well have made a very human mistake and left the Halo rings to the monitors - or even fired them (explaining the loss of technology on Earth), neglecting their evolution machines. Even if these evolution machines didn't work, 343GS says that only organisms with sufficient biomass and cognitive capability can support the Flood. So maybe it left the very young children and infants on the Forerunner outpost known as Earth alive? This would also explain GS's comment "I am glad to see that some of them survived to reproduce," - he never specifies whether he means Forerunner or Flood, and even though the first sentence was about Flood, if you take into account his odd speech patterns you'll realize he may well be talking about the Forerunner. So, if they simply quarantined the galaxy, the Forerunner empire may be flourishing elsewhere, while the Covenant attempt to beat back the Flood (one of the developers, maybe Joe, I can't remember, said something along the lines of "They (Covenant) have a long history with the Flood,,, a lot of interesting stuff is going to happen there." Maybe it's still happening. The Covenant may be fighting a war on both fronts against the Flood and the humans. If this is true, I wouldn't be surprised if most of our galaxy is crawling with the Flood, perhaps Flood advanced enough with Forerunner hosts and weaponry to scare the Forerunner into quarantining our galaxy. Isn't that what humans would do?

  • 04.23.2004 8:37 PM PDT