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The truth is, Humans could be the forerunners. Here is my proof/ theory:

Forerunners had time travel capabilites. The proof is the crystal found on Reach. Now what if the humans use the crystal to go back in time far beyond the appearence of humans on earth. They then continue to improve their technology more and more until they reach the level of the forerunners. they create all this stuff we know as forerunner, including the halo ring for whatever reasons. Then, something happens and all the humans from the future (that are in the past) disappear. Time then passes on and humans evolve from apes again and so on and so on until the time of the master cheif comes along. The crystal is found and time repeats itself all over again.

So yes, humans could be the forerunners.

  • 04.19.2004 2:57 PM PDT
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you palyed halo 2?

  • 04.19.2004 2:59 PM PDT
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The original poster missed one vital point in his theory, you assume the big bang actualy happened and that macro-evolution is real. There is an abundance of blatantly obvious evidence that proves Macro-evolution to be false and precious little evidence to prove it to be true and even then most of it is made up or doesn't make sense at all. I can go into this further if you want me to, but I just thought I'd point this out.

  • 04.19.2004 3:05 PM PDT

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serpx i gotta say that u are one very very smart guy. ur one of the first person to apply real stuff to in depth(somewhat interesting and important) halo 2 stuff that i've seen in a while. see if u cant come up with some other interesting stuff, i'd love to hear about it and debate it. while i kno no great advanced theories of biology and evolution(i'm just a sophomore in high school) i do kno halo pretty damned well. and i'm also very intelligent. thus i can very much respect what you've shown us. however, i do have to say once again that this is a game, so real life stuff doesnt nessessarily apply. bungie always has sorta sided with realism, tho, so i dont accept that. quite frankly, i think that u need to look at his sorta different. suppose for a moment the current position of humanity with biology. cloning is quickly evolving. soon who knows what we'll be able to do. if we followed on that line long enough, we could perhaps figure out the exact factors that would naturally, after billions of years, transform a primmordial sea into a living and working organism. then we would learn to manipulate these factors. then maybe, if we suddenly realized that something was about to exterminate our entire race, we set these factors into motion, knowing that it would eventually reform our very race in hopefully better surroundings. now think of this second, new race that would be formed from the work of the first's as the human race we kno in halo. then think of the forerunner as the original humans. there you have it. humans are the product of the forerunner. we are destined to reach the same point as the forerunner, and knowing how powerful the forerunner were, the covenant want to wipe us out before we get that advanced(biologically and technologically). this ties into some other story based theories i've written on the forerunner-human-covenant relationships, but if u wanna see those then u'll have to look up my older post "halo theories". anyway. thinking of it that way, it is entirely possible that forerunner and human are the same, and this not only is not opposed by ur theory's idea but also is encouraged by it, for its shows that humans are making great advances in biology and could one day be capable of this forerunner or god-like activity. also u could think of this as sumthin like a form of reproduction, natural in the evolution path, a protected set of evolutionary plans that, after the larger organism dies away, becomes active and recreates an identical being. this is a trait that has been found in bacteria/viruses(i'm not really sure which) and fugi i think. i cant remember what they were called(hey, we already had the bio test on that chapter, i dont need that info any more) and since i dont have my book anymore, i cant go look it up. anyway, i'm sure someone else out there knows what i'm talking about and maybe they can name what exactly it is i'm talking about. anyway, its happened in bacteria, y not in humans?

also, dna did sorta just pop together. in all likelyhood(and in fact its virtually impossible, no matter what u ignorant fools say) no life could have survived on earth for a long time. there was no earth to be buried in at that point. nothing could have been hiding. thats part of the icredibility of life, that gradually chemicals just sort of came together, slowly becoming more and more complicated, and after a long ling long time, they happened to form "self recreating chemicals". this is also known to be a lifeform. whether god or the forerunner or whatever were involved in this cosmic coincidence is complete speculation. but at least my theory sounds cool.

please feel free to try to disprove me, logically, scientifically, or halo-basedly. i'll be glad to take any real arguements as civilly as i can(and those which are not good arguements, i will take not so civilly)

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i feel somewhat bad for you, its just a game, dont take it so serious, but we didnt not come from single celled organisms, god created us, and we do change, but not from single celled organisms, that will never be proven, cuz we cannot go back in time, no one will ever truely know how everything came to be, but if you believe in the big bang theory, answer me this question, what the hell caused the big bang? cuz if you use that logic, everything in this universe was caused by something else, so something must have caused the big bang, and that something is god

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Regarding Tartarus' post (nice name BTW), you could have something there.

That's actually quite possible, and those stones MUST be there for more specific reasons. We must look into those more.

  • 04.19.2004 3:08 PM PDT
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Forerunner are a different race. And i think we might even see some in halo 2.

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also, there are laws in biology stating that all cells must come from exsisting or pre exsisting cells, so life could not have just sprung from the earth

  • 04.19.2004 3:10 PM PDT

There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who know binary, and those who don't.

Posted by: Tartarus
The truth is, Humans could be the forerunners. Here is my proof/ theory:

Forerunners had time travel capabilites. The proof is the crystal found on Reach. Now what if the humans use the crystal to go back in time far beyond the appearence of humans on earth. They then continue to improve their technology more and more until they reach the level of the forerunners. they create all this stuff we know as forerunner, including the halo ring for whatever reasons. Then, something happens and all the humans from the future (that are in the past) disappear. Time then passes on and humans evolve from apes again and so on and so on until the time of the master cheif comes along. The crystal is found and time repeats itself all over again.

So yes, humans could be the forerunners.


one problem. the forerunner had no real method of time travel. thiswas never stated or proved. i nko what ur talking about, but i seriously doubt the forerruners had the ability to travel in time. just seems too unlikely. i also see no connection with the death of all the forerunner in the distant past and the reevolution of the human race(from, as u seem to say, nothing). this leaves no real connection between the human race and the forerunner in the distant past, or future, or any sort of time travel-y date. unfortunately i seem to have misread this and realize that now. it makes more sense this way, but still, u, nor can i, or anyone, comprehend the ripples potentially created by time travel, and you do sort of have a time-loop set up, so that nothing ever began but always was instead, which really cant seem to be so. perhaps that is too human and mortal a standpoint, but its all humans can really understand so dont blame me. anyway, back to the main point. the forerunner did not have time travel. they may have, but i doubt it. ur proof the crystal is false. it could just be a very strange shaw-fujikara splipspace drive anomaly, or a wormhole of some sort, or anything really. all the crystal shows, if it is related(And i will give u that, it doesnt seem like coincidence the way the books put it) is that the forerunner, or at least this specially crystal that they found, has the ability to manilpulate to flow of time and space. not nessessarily the same thing as time travel.

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well there is no point in argueing over it, we just should post our theories, and accept them, cuz we wont know till halo 2 or more books arrive, inless you have solid evidence that the theory can not be, but i think bungie is gonna throw us a curve ball here and trick us all, cuz its bungie and they always have good things

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  • 04.19.2004 3:27 PM PDT
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In the book "Halo: the flood" it says in like the first chapter that the forerunners are some form of covenent prophet, built by they're ansesters, and all of you know that the different races of covenent come from different planets, if you read the book.... So Halo was built by the forerunner and the prophets say it's built by they're ansestors.... So the forerunner is obviosly a form of covenent.... but they also didn't know about the flood either..... so maybe the early covenant ansestors didn't tell anyone about the flood so it wouldn't be let out... who knows...

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what page does it say that on?
that way i can check

  • 04.19.2004 3:32 PM PDT
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hold on let me check.

  • 04.19.2004 3:33 PM PDT
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Posted by: lordxanatos666
serpx i gotta say that u are one very very smart guy. ur one of the first person to apply real stuff to in depth(somewhat interesting and important) halo 2 stuff that i've seen in a while. see if u cant come up with some other interesting stuff, i'd love to hear about it and debate it. while i kno no great advanced theories of biology and evolution(i'm just a sophomore in high school) i do kno halo pretty damned well. and i'm also very intelligent. thus i can very much respect what you've shown us.


I appreciate that a lot. But the thing is, I'm merely a fourteen year old Freshman in High School. You can do the same, if you apply yourself to your education and use it whenever you can, outside in life.

(Did I just say that? Seriously. I think my brain is malfunctioning. Help me?)

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it is good work, but even those are just theories, and will never be fully proven, like the big bang, and the evolution of life, just mere theories

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The prophet says that Halo is built by they're ansestors on pages 5-7 and there is also an occurence where one of the elites refers to the <edit-i ment forerunner not prophet> as building the armor that he is wearing... on page 96.

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the reason that the prophet says that, is cuz prophets come from a world that the forerunners lived on, but i am not to sure that the prophets themselfs come from the forerunner, but that is some good work.
maybe the prophets know that we came from the forerunner too, and didnt tell the other covies cuz they may loose power in their society, so they waged war on the humans.
oh well only bungie knows

  • 04.19.2004 3:39 PM PDT
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the forerunners made everything the covies use, the covies just pirated the technology from instilations like halo

  • 04.19.2004 3:41 PM PDT
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yeah anything could be possible.... bungie could deside to change anything they wanted...

  • 04.19.2004 3:41 PM PDT
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well he does say "ansestors" so that means that the prophets are related to them in some way.

  • 04.19.2004 3:42 PM PDT
Subject: Forerunner(s), FACTS. Let's get it organized. Too many posts an...
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Forerunner(s), FACTS. Let's get it organized. Too many posts and not enough focus!

FORERUNNER, 343 GS, FACTS:
* 343GS speaks of "all our lost history". (MAW)

* He also speaks of the MC and his armor as if familiar with them. (upgrading and all that)

* He speaks of the humans or covies in this quote, the only two "races" he has seen in 100,000+ years, yes?
--"The installation was specifically built to study and contain the Flood
-- their survival as a race was dependant on it. I am grateful to see that
-- some of them have survived to reproduce."

* And he is all buddy buddy with the MC...
--"(Halo will kill the Flood's food)...but you already knew that - I mean, how couldn't you?"
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--"Why would you hesitate to do what you have already done? Last time you asked me If it
-- were my choice, would I do it? Having had considerable time to ponder your query, my
-- answer has not changed - we have no choice, we must activate the ring. "

* 343 GS himself stated that he was activated when the flood was found active...
so he was not awake for these thousands of years, so could he still be mad? (crazy)

FORERUNNERS, SPARTANS, FACTS:
* Spartans that come into contact with Forerunner technology "know" how to use it.
-- Why? This is important, maybe.

* The Covenant use Forerunner technology, USE it, but they can not improve upon it.
-- Humans, or at least our technology (Cortana), can and have made vast improvements on
-- the "Covenant" technology. In a matter of hours, or days, Cortana improved both the
-- plasma weapons and the slipspace drives to pinpoint accuracy.

FORERUNNERS, GENERAL FACTS:
* They have several HALO instalations, so? They were all over space, a mojor presence with mojor resources. Why move on?
-- This has happend to civilazations here on Earth, although not to a super-power.
-- Maybe they were cleaned out by the HALO networks they made.
-- Maybe they evolved into a super-natural type race.

In closing, we need to know if the books are in-line with the story bungie has going.
Are they directly connected to the game? Or to the end story of HALO?

Did the rushed production of HALO cause some story line points to be left out?

It is just a game, but games have more hours of our attention than movies.
Everything evolves, games, movies, stories... bungie can take it to the next level.


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Well if you watch the ingame demo bungie has for halo 2, it shows that master chief is on earth... well in the book first strike he never goes to earth, he's just PREPARING to go to earth... so the game obviosly does not follow the book.... but it could follow the book and go PAST the book but that would be a REALLY long game with like 40+ levels... (alot longer than the first one, and not something bungie will probably do..).

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i try not to touch myself each day too, but i always fail, i am a faiure, but i dont mind cuz its fun lol

  • 04.19.2004 3:49 PM PDT
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there is a story to halo, the books and halo are in one, the books add to the story of halo, and are made by bungie, so the books follow halo and halo follows the books

  • 04.19.2004 3:50 PM PDT
Subject: Forerunners CANNOT be Humans.
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Posted by: Havoc208
THREE: Covies are coming to blow up earth in the next halo

Lol that was funny.

Also maybe earth gets destroyed in halo2? why else would u spend barly any time on earth?

Maybe the forunner have something to do with it?

In First Strike it said that most of the covies that were coming to destroy Earth were wiped out in the explosion of the "Unyielding Hierophant"so the fleet that came to Earth was probobly a lot smaller so that the marines could save Earth and the MC could go on with the story.Sorry if that was a run-on sentence.

  • 04.19.2004 3:52 PM PDT