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Posted by: NightAvenger
i feel somewhat bad for you, its just a game, dont take it so serious, but we didnt not come from single celled organisms, god created us, and we do change, but not from single celled organisms, that will never be proven, cuz we cannot go back in time, no one will ever truely know how everything came to be, but if you believe in the big bang theory, answer me this question, what the hell caused the big bang? cuz if you use that logic, everything in this universe was caused by something else, so something must have caused the big bang, and that something is god


As a Baptist, do you know that because of the accepted scientific fact that there was a galactic second just before the big bang that there was nothing... not even time... the Vatakin has accepted said theory?

Also, what do you think our God, that knows all and is infinitely wise, would do?
1) - Simply say -BLAM- There is life! And we pop up?
OR
2) - Set forth the process that would lead to us evolving into what we are?

And time travel has been proven on several occasions...
Just not like the movies! No going back for us... yet. Even S. Hawking states that he belives it is possible... but only on the atomic level.

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omg people you have to read the books before you make stuipid comments... if you have questions about something READ THE BOOKS they explain almost everything...(including what halo 2 is going to be about.)

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he didnt say blam, he went throught he process, and it is in the first book of the bible

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Posted by: Grunt Burner
omg people you have to read the books before you make stuipid comments... if you have questions about something READ THE BOOKS they explain almost everything...(including what halo 2 is going to be about.)

it does say what halo to is going to be about, read the damn books, they further the story of halo and and make it deeper

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Posted by: NightAvenger
he didnt say blam, he went throught he process, and it is in the first book of the bible


Then why did you say that we did not come from single cells?

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The truth is, Humans could be the forerunners. Here is my proof/ theory:

Forerunners had time travel capabilites. The proof is the crystal found on Reach. Now what if the humans use the crystal to go back in time far beyond the appearence of humans on earth. They then continue to improve their technology more and more until they reach the level of the forerunners. they create all this stuff we know as forerunner, including the halo ring for whatever reasons. Then, something happens and all the humans from the future (that are in the past) disappear. Time then passes on and humans evolve from apes again and so on and so on until the time of the master cheif comes along. The crystal is found and time repeats itself all over again.

So yes, humans could be the forerunners.


one problem. the forerunner had no real method of time travel. thiswas never stated or proved. i nko what ur talking about, but i seriously doubt the forerruners had the ability to travel in time. just seems too unlikely. i also see no connection with the death of all the forerunner in the distant past and the reevolution of the human race(from, as u seem to say, nothing). this leaves no real connection between the human race and the forerunner in the distant past, or future, or any sort of time travel-y date. unfortunately i seem to have misread this and realize that now. it makes more sense this way, but still, u, nor can i, or anyone, comprehend the ripples potentially created by time travel, and you do sort of have a time-loop set up, so that nothing ever began but always was instead, which really cant seem to be so. perhaps that is too human and mortal a standpoint, but its all humans can really understand so dont blame me. anyway, back to the main point. the forerunner did not have time travel. they may have, but i doubt it. ur proof the crystal is false. it could just be a very strange shaw-fujikara splipspace drive anomaly, or a wormhole of some sort, or anything really. all the crystal shows, if it is related(And i will give u that, it doesnt seem like coincidence the way the books put it) is that the forerunner, or at least this specially crystal that they found, has the ability to manilpulate to flow of time and space. not nessessarily the same thing as time travel.


It looks like you kinda understood what i was saying mid way through your post. I was kinda setting up a loop. all of it was a simple hypothesis to prove that humans could be the forerunners. Its foundation was the crystal. And that is where you question me from what I read. you are right. i can't say exactly if the crystal allows for time travel. however, I can say what it does and i do have a theory on what it can do. Please read on.

The crystal was a forerunner artifact that was found on Reach. correct? We also know from reading First Strike that the crytal in slip space allowed for greater distances to be traveled in shorter amounts of time (even better than the abilities of the covies). correct? Well aren't you manipulating time if somethhing takes less time than it really should? Let me talk some space and time theory with you as the two are connected. here is my hypothesis: could you use the crystal in an opposite way? Instead of bending space and folding two points together, thus shortening the distance which in turn shortens the travel time, stay in one place and use the crystal to bend time? Then you could go forward or backwards through time while staying in the same place.

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cuz in the bible it said that he made us from dust, and that he made us, not that we evolved

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Posted by: Grunt Burner
Well if you watch the ingame demo bungie has for halo 2, it shows that master chief is on earth... well in the book first strike he never goes to earth, he's just PREPARING to go to earth... so the game obviosly does not follow the book.... but it could follow the book and go PAST the book but that would be a REALLY long game with like 40+ levels... (alot longer than the first one, and not something bungie will probably do..).


Actualy, the game and books are all connected, Fall of reach told the story of what happened before Halo, the Flood book told the story of Halo in book form and First Strike told the story of what happens inbetween Halo and Halo 2.

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Wait wait wait, as we know, the monitor acted like WE already knew EVERYTHING that was going on. i remeber some ppl saying"why did the monitor just tell us if the forerunners were human' well, he must of thought we already knew. he wasnt being that obvious anyways. I think that time travel theroy could be very accurate. One more thing, does any body think is only a coincidence that the atmosphere and plants and terrian on halo was exsactly the same as earths. Mabye forerunner(humans that traveled back in time) built halo to release the flood and kill the covenant before they could full on invade earth...im just saying

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Hmm interesting enough, but yes this is a video game so solid facts in reality don't apply. You should consider game facts. For instance the probable size range for a Forerunner etc... this can be easily done. You can also estimate the type of intelligence they must have had by the interfaces on the Fortress world.

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Much like these posts... that was written by man.

Posted by: NightAvenger
cuz in the bible it said that he made us from dust, and that he made us, not that we evolved


I'm done with this part of the discussion, religieon does not play into HALO...
At least none of ours... :)

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good point

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can we consider that bungie never thought out the plot line when they were making halo, they were rushed, and didnt have time to think intellengently on anything but the game. so maybe alot of loose ends were left that are only being tied now

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all you people talking about the big bang are less informed than you think. some quantum mathematics for ya: As every second passes, with every decision you make, another dimension forms for the exact opposite to occur. You decide to fart in this dimension, tin another dimension you decide to hold it in. Yet there are more dimensions. Some don't have farts. Some fail to even think about farts. Possibilities are endless. Since the begining of the big bang, Every possibilty of the equation has been played out in various dimensions. With every second that passes more and more diensions form.

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yeah you have to consider the halo too, it was just like earth, the blue skys, the green grass, the gravity, everything a human would need, lush feilds, water, the complexes were just the right size for people

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bungie know that too many ppl who play their games are too stupid to think that way, so the game probably wont be that way

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Posted by: Tartarus
all you people talking about the big bang are less informed than you think. some quantum mathematics for ya: As every second passes, with every decision you make, another dimension forms for the exact opposite to occur. You decide to fart in this dimension, tin another dimension you decide to hold it in. Yet there are more dimensions. Some don't have farts. Some fail to even think about farts. Possibilities are endless. Since the begining of the big bang, Every possibilty of the equation has been played out in various dimensions. With every second that passes more and more diensions form.


haha what the -blam!- are you talking about, i get it i guess, but i dont want to think about it

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it is confusing

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Posted by: Servano
As a Baptist, do you know that because of the accepted scientific fact that there was a galactic second just before the big bang that there was nothing... not even time... the Vatakin has accepted said theory?

Also, what do you think our God, that knows all and is infinitely wise, would do?
1) - Simply say -BLAM- There is life! And we pop up?
OR
2) - Set forth the process that would lead to us evolving into what we are?


Neither, he created our universe according to the process in the first book of the Bible, which could have happened over million of our years.

Evolution is false. First off all organisms have limits built into their genetic code limiting how much they can change. This allows for great diversity among most organisms, but prevents a species from changing so much that they become a totaly different species. Also even if evolution was possible, the Earth's crust should be littered with fossils of "missing links" connecting one species to the species it mutated into, but guess what? It isn't. Not one real missing link has been found, they all have been either fake or just wild speculation. For instance one such missing link for apes and Humans was constructed based on a single tooth.

[Edited on 4/19/2004 4:21:20 PM]

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leave religion out of this, iit wont have anything tovdo with halo 2

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that would be funny if in the fighting in halo 2, jesus came back or something

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That part about the Bible, was solely directed to Servano's post, the rest is why evolution does not provide the answer to who the Forerunners were.

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ya and he has a plasma rifle in his holster

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can we all agree that the forerunners are badasses in some way or another?

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