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did anybody here buy that thing best buy was selling with the halo 2 controller and a disc about halo 2?

  • 04.19.2004 4:46 PM PDT
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Posted by: Shael
Tartarus, if we are all just a bunch of walking reactors, why not just create the matrix and strap everyone into a powerplant to become human batteries? Why do anything for that matter if the Human Being is just a pile of chemicals and our consicousness is just the result of particals bumping around? And if that is true why aren't animals capable of intelligent thought? Because their particles aren't as advanced as ours?


Good question. In a way we are kinda like a matrix. We are a conciousness withing a conciousness. The conciousness or creator of the universe creted it so that every possibility of the equation would play out. (please read back in my post) That conciousness wants to experience it all.

And what of our lives. Why not lpug us in and use or bodies as batteries? thats not the point of us being here. The point of life is to experience it. To live. Our bodies are simply organic machince that hold our souls. Someday, when we die, our souls will return to the main conciousness and report what we have learned.

By the way. Animals aren't at the same level of thought as us humans, but they do feel and think. Its a fact. Do you own a dog? Dogs have feelings. You know when a dog is happy. thats easy. you also know that they can think as well. My dog rembers where the treats are. He likes it inside the house. All of this is because he experiences and thinks.

  • 04.19.2004 4:50 PM PDT

I hate everything, but it's not my fault.

Or if you beleive this "main conciousness" is God, you go to Heaven or Hell, depending on whether you obeyed Him or not.

[Edited on 4/19/2004 4:56:54 PM]

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whats the point of experiencing life if you simply obey him? Alhough, I don't think that anyone has a choice. We are all living a destiny already decided for us. we are parts of an equation.

  • 04.19.2004 5:00 PM PDT
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nerds

  • 04.19.2004 5:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: Tartarus
whats the point of experiencing life if you simply obey him? Alhough, I don't think that anyone has a choice. We are all living a destiny already decided for us. we are parts of an equation.

Oh great, now I'm gonna get sucked into a big religious debate....Quick Stosh, lock this topic!!
BTW If anybody cared I'm Catholic.

  • 04.19.2004 5:03 PM PDT
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I agree with Tartarus. Very nicelly put. Anywayz, I just thought about another possibility...

What if the Forrunners are actually a human colony that has secretly created these machines-forrunners, to get an army such as the covenant to destroy earth and take over the universe or such... Just another theory, interesting though.

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if relly want to know ask the guy that made the game he/she will know because it will know every thing about halo so game maker if u read this then tell us r the 4runers human we want to know ( i think thay r)

  • 04.19.2004 5:04 PM PDT
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Try to spell better so I can read your posts halo gy 343, also dont write -blam!- like 4runers. Realy enoying.

  • 04.19.2004 5:08 PM PDT
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Ghandi,

we are on the same page, just talking different about the same things. Don't worry, i ddin'y mean not to obey things like don'y kill anyone. thats a given. No matter what anyone believes in, its pretty much commonsense to not kill anyone or hurt them in any other way. That would ruin the other persons life experience, thus the main consciousness or god, would not beable to complete that part of the equation. that is unless, the equation called for someone to murder or hurt another person...

And yes I am a nerd. A nerd like everyone else. Except, I'm smarter than the rest of you. : )

  • 04.19.2004 5:09 PM PDT
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Posted by: Tartarus
Ghandi,

we are on the same page, just talking different about the same things. Don't worry, i ddin'y mean not to obey things like don'y kill anyone. thats a given. No matter what anyone believes in, its pretty much commonsense to not kill anyone or hurt them in any other way. That would ruin the other persons life experience, thus the main consciousness or god, would not beable to complete that part of the equation. that is unless, the equation called for someone to murder or hurt another person...

And yes I am a nerd. A nerd like everyone else. Except, I'm smarter than the rest of you. : )



Or maybe the "Greater consciousness" is God, and he created us as eternal beings and maybe he created us so that we can spend forever in his love, the only thing is where we spend our eternity. In Heaven or in Hell. He created the universe we live our earthly lives in so that we could have the choice of where we spend eternity. He could have just made everyone in Heaven to begin with, but it is much more rewarding when someone comes to you out of their own free will, not because you made it that way. If this is the case then our purpose in life is to accept his gift and to live our lives in a way that would please him while bringing as many others as possible to accept the gift aswell so we can live eternaly in paradise with him.

[Edited on 4/19/2004 5:29:54 PM]

  • 04.19.2004 5:28 PM PDT
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If we aren't forunners than how can you explain the MC and humanities connection and familarity with halo technology. EX.the light brige from the first book and how he recognized the jump quardinants for halo.

  • 04.19.2004 5:32 PM PDT
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Posted by: NightAvenger
also, there are laws in biology stating that all cells must come from exsisting or pre exsisting cells, so life could not have just sprung from the earth


Really show me, because i'm pretty sure you are wrong

  • 04.19.2004 5:45 PM PDT
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Posted by: serpx
Note: I didn't post it in the other thread just so everyone can easily notice this message.

There is already enough evidence to prove that humanity, the -blam!- sapiens, were never, and could never, have been the forerunner species. Humans have already brought out enough experiments and scientific research to know, well enough, the history of our planet and the life upon it.

After the big bang had occurred and our planet brought out development, the atmosphere was way too harsh for any living organism to survive. In addition, it was also way too [b]hot.[b] The Earth’s early atmosphere contained hydrogen cyanide, carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, nitrogen, hydrogen sulfide, and water.

About four billion years ago, Earth cooled enough to allow solid rocks to form. About 3.8 billion years ago, Earth cooled enough for water to remain a liquid. How did we find out how organisms came about upon the planet? It was no Adam and Eve. It all started from the amino acids that came from the lightning and the substances within’ the atmosphere. We found this out from Miller and Urey’s experiment.

Since I don’t have my main resource to explain how their experiment worked, I’ll leave you one from tidepool.st.usm.edu:

In 1953, Miller and Urey tested the "Oparin and Haldane* hypothesis1 by attempting to simulate in a closed system devoid of living organisms the conditions presumed to exist on the early earth's surface. They found that by subjecting a mixture of gases (water vapor, hydrogen, methane and ammonia) to energy, a variety of amino acids and other organic compounds were synthesized in a few days. Numerous replications and modifications of this experiment in many laboratories have yielded similar results. Chemicals formed include all 20 amino acids, sugars, lipids, the purine and pyrimidine bases found in nucleic acids and ATP (when phosphate is also present). These results are obtained as long as oxygen gas is not present in the reaction mixture. Results of this experiment caused a new era of experimentation and analysis of possible primordial components. Coupled with this were the new important discoveries by astrophysicists of the presence of organic molecules in the interstellar medium and in meteorites. However, at present, the relevance of the experimental results of Miller and Urey are being questioned, since the atmospheric conditions used in the experiment are not thought to accurately reflect those of the early earth.

This hypothesis stated that conditions on the primitive earth favored chemical reactions that synthesized organic compounds from inorganic precursors.


AKA Lightning + Early Atmosphere = Amino Acids.

Anyways, after this, we have enough evidence from microfossils and fossils, and using relative dating and radioactive dating upon those fossils, to know the complete history of life. From the time where life first came upon earth, to our present time – therefore in conclusion, there’s no possible way the forerunners can be the humanity species.




That is great and all, however, it is all just theory. We do not know exactly how or when life formed on this planet.

  • 04.19.2004 5:46 PM PDT
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Posted by: Shael
The original poster missed one vital point in his theory, you assume the big bang actualy happened and that macro-evolution is real. There is an abundance of blatantly obvious evidence that proves Macro-evolution to be false and precious little evidence to prove it to be true and even then most of it is made up or doesn't make sense at all. I can go into this further if you want me to, but I just thought I'd point this out.



Actually you have it backwards and are completely wrong.

  • 04.19.2004 5:47 PM PDT
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How so? Have you actualy studied evolution? Or biology for that matter? Read my other posts and then tell me that.

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Posted by: NightAvenger
he didnt say blam, he went throught he process, and it is in the first book of the bible



lol wtf? You really think the actuall process of creating earth took 6 days? and he just made men from dust? Wow, I bet you think the great flood really happened too? What a joke.

  • 04.19.2004 5:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: Tartarus
Ghandi,

we are on the same page, just talking different about the same things. Don't worry, i ddin'y mean not to obey things like don'y kill anyone. thats a given. No matter what anyone believes in, its pretty much commonsense to not kill anyone or hurt them in any other way. That would ruin the other persons life experience, thus the main consciousness or god, would not beable to complete that part of the equation. that is unless, the equation called for someone to murder or hurt another person...

And yes I am a nerd. A nerd like everyone else. Except, I'm smarter than the rest of you. : )



Or maybe the "Greater consciousness" is God, and he created us as eternal beings and maybe he created us so that we can spend forever in his love, the only thing is where we spend our eternity. In Heaven or in Hell. He created the universe we live our earthly lives in so that we could have the choice of where we spend eternity. He could have just made everyone in Heaven to begin with, but it is much more rewarding when someone comes to you out of their own free will, not because you made it that way. If this is the case then our purpose in life is to accept his gift and to live our lives in a way that would please him while bringing as many others as possible to accept the gift aswell so we can live eternaly in paradise with him.

Very well put Shael (BTW are you Catholic/Christain?), and I myself believe in micro-evolution, and I am kind of blurry on macro-evolution, but I think that there is no real way for anybody to know exactly what happened.

  • 04.19.2004 5:56 PM PDT
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Posted by: Shael
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As a Baptist, do you know that because of the accepted scientific fact that there was a galactic second just before the big bang that there was nothing... not even time... the Vatakin has accepted said theory?

Also, what do you think our God, that knows all and is infinitely wise, would do?
1) - Simply say -BLAM- There is life! And we pop up?
OR
2) - Set forth the process that would lead to us evolving into what we are?


Neither, he created our universe according to the process in the first book of the Bible, which could have happened over million of our years.

Evolution is false. First off all organisms have limits built into their genetic code limiting how much they can change. This allows for great diversity among most organisms, but prevents a species from changing so much that they become a totaly different species. Also even if evolution was possible, the Earth's crust should be littered with fossils of "missing links" connecting one species to the species it mutated into, but guess what? It isn't. Not one real missing link has been found, they all have been either fake or just wild speculation. For instance one such missing link for apes and Humans was constructed based on a single tooth.




If you are truely this misinformed, don't post as though what you say is fact. When it's far from it, especially when evolution has far more evidence than creation.

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no, what is a day to someone who lives forever, jesus said he would come back soon and its been 2000 years. its just a figure

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Posted by: Tartarus
all you people talking about the big bang are less informed than you think. some quantum mathematics for ya: As every second passes, with every decision you make, another dimension forms for the exact opposite to occur. You decide to fart in this dimension, tin another dimension you decide to hold it in. Yet there are more dimensions. Some don't have farts. Some fail to even think about farts. Possibilities are endless. Since the begining of the big bang, Every possibilty of the equation has been played out in various dimensions. With every second that passes more and more diensions form.




That is nothing more than theory, and one that is on the brink of being proven wrong. We know believe that there is a set number of dimensions, I can't remember the number but i believe it is 13

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Posted by: NightAvenger
also, there are laws in biology stating that all cells must come from exsisting or pre exsisting cells, so life could not have just sprung from the earth


Really show me, because i'm pretty sure you are wrong

i would but i am not in biology anymore, i took it last year, and got an A, but yeah, trust me it is true, all cells that we know of come from exsisting or pre exsisting cell, that is just part of the theory, the important part, think about it, cuz it is true, we eat other living things and cells, plants come from other plants, everything come from another living thing

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if you can thinjk of something that doesnt come from another living thing, let me know, and everyone know cuz you would be proving a theory wrong, and it is a foundation theory too in biology

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Yes Ghandi I am a christian and micro-evolution has alot of evidence supporting it. Macro-evolution does not. Bring the Noise, I never said creation had more evidence than macro-evolution(though if you want me to go into it I can), I said the macro-evolution doesn't have alot if any solid evidence supporting it. Where have you ever seen a nreal missing link or even the fossil of one? Every single so called missing link has turned out to be false or is subject to alot of doubt at its validity. If you ask me you are just throwing around empty insults with no facts or even an argument to back it up.

  • 04.19.2004 6:03 PM PDT
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tehn where the hell did the very first cell come from considering all cells are coming from another one

  • 04.19.2004 6:04 PM PDT