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Subject: Forerunners CANNOT be Humans.
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Bring the noise how do i drive people from God? you were already completly married to your ego or as i call it the devil. and wanted nothing to do with god not only that you called the bible a joke so how i ask HOW do i drive them away from God do you know how everyone else in this thread feels do you now how the people at my church take what a say NO! so how can you say i drive them from god that my friend is I-G-N-O-R-A-N-T.

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  • 04.21.2004 3:45 PM PDT
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Posted by: Thalanos
Wow.
Greetings to everyone in the forums from another person who finally got round to joining the community just so he could post on this topic ( that person being me :) ).
I just wanted to say that I've never seen such a hotly debated thread in my life, anywhere, ever!
I fully appreciate what Serpx was trying to do when he started this thread. Backing up his theory on the forerunners with some science was a nice thing to see but the whole thing seems to have turned into some kind of interlectual soap opera. I've spent a good hour reading most of the threads and clicking on some of the links. I've learnt more about biology, chemistry, geology and astrology than I thought I ever would ( thanks to Bring the Noise for that :P ) and I'm sure that this debate won't end until this thread is forcefully closed (seriously... nobody has an answer which everyone will accept).
Anyway, aside from all the flaming, the topic has been quite interesting even though it wasn't what I expected when I clicked on the link.

Good luck with all the forerunner theories, only time will tell who was right. Personally I can't wait to find out. Bring on Halo 2 and keep up the good work devs!

Thal.



Welcome to the forums :)

  • 04.21.2004 3:45 PM PDT
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oh my -blam!-ing god.

I hate people. I hate Halo. I hate Bungie.


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No, wait... Maybe not Bungie.
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Or halo- But I still hate people.

you people who are outstandingly stupid go read page 12.

[Edited on 4/21/2004 3:50:01 PM]

  • 04.21.2004 3:47 PM PDT
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Posted by: Kalisoldier
Bring the noise how do i drive people from God? you were already completly married to your ego or as i call it the devil. and wanted nothing to do with god not only that you called the bible a joke so how i ask HOW do i drive them away from God do you know how everyone else in this thread feels do you now how the people at my church take what a say NO! so how can you say i drive them from god that my friend is I-G-N-O-R-A-N-T.



Well that is easy. It's like a club. Now if you want to have a rep. for your club you don't pick somebody who is clueless and annoying. That would defeat the purpose. Glad to see you finally spelled ignorant correctly. Stick around you could learn a lot from other people.

  • 04.21.2004 3:47 PM PDT
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Clueless? nice yet you havent debated anything i have said you just attack my grammer (from typing to fast) and you attack me BECAUSE your at a loss on this topic.

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  • 04.21.2004 3:49 PM PDT
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You haven't stated any facts that are debate worthy. Like I said take the Mark 16:18 challenge or drop it. I'm sick of talking about it.

  • 04.21.2004 3:52 PM PDT

mendicantVOTARY
Votary of the I AM

Magyar ODST 19th Shock Troops Battalion

i dont appreciate the hate in this room. "can't you see you're tearing us apart!?"

seriously though, whats up with this? grow up. everyone here likes halo, focus on that.

  • 04.21.2004 3:53 PM PDT
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*slap


Hey Bungie. You know what all this boils down to? It boils down to you guys releasing Halo 2 before a global holy war errupts!

  • 04.21.2004 3:54 PM PDT
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All I know, is that it would truely be stupid to make Forerunners humans. And anyone who believes that theory, is either on something, or hasn't read the books.

  • 04.21.2004 3:54 PM PDT

wow....... this is amazing.

Get back on the topic. Now my theory is that forerunner can be humans there design the atmosphere of halo and what else is there to add the forerunner can be more advanced human race what else is there to prove to me the forerunner is a more advanced human race.

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A book everyone who posted in this thread should read is "The Demon Haunted World" by Carl Sagan. Everyone who wants to be educated should read it. It will blow all you super religious creationist freaks off your asses. Personally, I am religious, but as a sensible person I don't take the Bible literally. The evidence for evolution is overwhelming. (refering to an earlier post) I think enough people have discussed that already. Anyway, the Bible. In Genesis God creates the world in one week. But how long is a day in that story? It never says. It could very well be a couple hundred million years. Another thing, THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN BY MAN! When Genesis was written people didn't even know what true science was. Even the Greeks didn't know what today's scientific process was. Genesis is just a story to explain the awsome power of God...and there is a God...screw you atheists! Thus, you can't take the creation theory seriously.

I didn't read a lot of other posts so if this has nothing to do with anything...well then...

  • 04.21.2004 3:57 PM PDT
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I also just wanna say:

Here is a philosophy to ponder:

To me, God is everything and everywhere. His influence can be seen in fate and chance, not to mention predictable things. Science and Religion are one. Science is the study of how God works. Some might argue that there is no God because scientists can make life from some gas and lightning. Don't they see? That reaction...that new creation IS GOD!

  • 04.21.2004 4:03 PM PDT
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Wouldn't you think their would be other life out their then us humans here. Because we can't just be be created and be the only one's living on a earth. If the big bang did happen then their would be other life right. Besides what makes you think their was a big bang just because someone said so. That's only if you want to believe those kind of things. Their can be other ways the earth was created.

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I have read all of the posts and all I can say is I have never slept so well. read all of the posts then say something this is a chat room holy war u know what just so the chat room holy war goes I am going to make a new posting thing about halo being related to god ok hear I go

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At this rate, this thread will still be here by the time I finish college, then I can come back and reopen my argument after learning the facts for myself.

  • 04.21.2004 4:07 PM PDT

Driven to distraction. ^_^

I dunno whether this theory has been mentioned before or not but I'm gonna suggest it anyway.

343 Guilty Spark obviously knows about some human history and escaped the explosion of Halo at the end of the last game. It could be possible that he tipped the covenant off about the location of earth for some kind of personal gain. Whether this ties in with the forerunner debate is another question entirely.

e.g. If humans were the forerunners, 343GS may feel he has some kind of vendetta against his creators for leaving him alone on halo for millenia and take action to get them destroyed.

OR

If humans were not the forerunners, 343GS may still be loyal to his creators and working on wiping out those who are closest to discovering their identity. Using the covenant to wipe out the human race is an easy option.

Just a couple of theories.

Thal

  • 04.21.2004 4:09 PM PDT
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Genesis includes the story of Adam and Eve which is fake. The story of Adam and Eve is called a Parable (i.e. The Parable of the Lost Son, etc.). So to make everything clear to some people not all the stories in the Bible are true, some are just used to explain everything easier to the readers. The Parable of Adam and Eve was made to help people understand why we are what we are.

And by the way, we already agreed to ending this post. Refer to page 12 as where MonkeylizardAlso and I signed to get back on topic. And by legal offence, Kalisoldier should be placed under arrest for violation of a new law (....yes of course).

Take him away boys!
*takes out night stick*

  • 04.21.2004 4:10 PM PDT
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I don't mean to burst your buble... but there hasn't been one drop of proof for any of those ideas! They all sounded good to someone on paper, and they found a few facts to support the fact that it could be a POSSIBLE way things happened. But NEVER has there been one ounce of proof produced in any form to say this *IS* how it went down. Mainly because almost ALL main stream science is educated GUESSES. (i.e. Radio dating could be horribly innacurtae for all we "KNOW" since the initial information can only be assumemed)

Heck... there's more evidance to support the bibles account of how it all went down! "but of course, you shouldn't take that litterally, and it's all a hoax anyway!!!11!!"

but it's like I said, you could just as easily prove God created us all, Hunmanity and life on Earth has only existed for about 6.5 thousand years, humans were civilised from the start through the teachings of their God, mainstream science is horribly wronge on some of its aspects , evolution is genetically impossible,(as stated by a council of highly respected scientis already...) pangea was seperated only about 5000 years ago, just after "NOAH's FLOOD" which I might add killed off *most* of the dinosaurs. (What about the rest of them you ask? it could be "Proven" that they were the liviathens, deamons, and Dragons, that haunt the ancient records of every civilization on Earth. (some of which could be speculated to still exist today, even though most were killed off by celtic knights, aztec worriors and chinese warlords. ( but of "course" all these civilizations just "coencidently" made up the same stories about monsters all over the world, sorta like how all the original religions were so similar. Coencidence!) ) and we could also "prove" there is life after death...

And you could say science has proved alot of other things, but would ou listen?...nope! if I go on, you'll probably hate me. So I make an end.

  • 04.21.2004 4:18 PM PDT
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For those of you too lazy to refer to page 12 I shall repeat what happened:

MonkeylizardAlso: "We shall now stop the talk of religeon or lack thereof"

Dill X: "And to make it official you all must sign: Here, here, here, and also here."
*clicks pen*

Sign again to kill this off-topic topic.

  • 04.21.2004 4:19 PM PDT
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*signs*

  • 04.21.2004 4:20 PM PDT
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They also found sulfur or something like that in the ruins of soddom and gommora(sp?).

  • 04.21.2004 4:21 PM PDT
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*Accidently burns the paper Dill X told everyone to sign*

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Pangea is just a theory, and it is said to have started to seperate just under 200 million years ago.
For Noah's Flood, I haven't heard much on that topic, but I heard some where that a pilot in one of the World Wars saw a large piece of a boat on some small island. But wood from Noahs time would've have probably decomposed many hundreds of years ago.

SketchTeno, I think you should do more research before saying things, because you don't make much sence at all.

  • 04.21.2004 4:26 PM PDT
Subject: Forerunners CANNOT be Humans.

There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who know binary, and those who don't.

JESUS CHRIST!
I leave home for a few days, and look what happens...
yea u guys got really off topic a little bit back there, but its good to see ur back on target.
seeing as i was one of the most advanced earlier posters( i wrote more than wow thats interesting and impressive) theres too much here for me to catch up on now. i'm sorta hopeless, all cause i was away for two days. pity. my stuff's back on page two. anyway, one thing that has really been pissing me off a lot about some of these posts...they all mention bible stories and God and stuff. that stuff, while some people have worked it in, and i'm no expert, is generally unrelated to halo. i really dont think there was ever a huge parallel to be drawn between the two except in overly religious people playing the game. for example, people were saying how god had to exist before, and were stating it as a scientific fact. sorry, but that is pure bull-blam!-. even on this page, there is some bantering aobut how some people are still going on about god and stuff. halo never ever mentions god. halo 2 is not going to mention god. as far as bungie is concerned, in the halo world, there is no god. call me blasphemous or whatever, but thats the way it is. religious ideas are completely obsolete so stop trying to use them here. in fact, the only religion ever really mentioned anywhere in halo is that of the covenant, which is really a means of politcal control more than anything else. when a society is based around religion, it is not a religion any longer, it is a government. it is a tool for political control, and corruption is inevitable. this is what the covenant religion is, a means of political control. so that being the only mention of religion, it barely counts. stop using religion. it doesnt work. thats all.
ps way to go us, now the most popular thread on all of the bungie forums. woot.

  • 04.21.2004 4:27 PM PDT
Subject: Ahhh... the ignorent main stream science!
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*Shael burns copy of paper*

"Ha ha! Photocopies beehotch! Now sign here, here, here, and also here!"
*slams paper on table*

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