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Kinda seems to me that it's possible that the Forerunners are humans ... that may have faced destruction. Thus why most of there structres are underground. If the Forerunners have had there planets utterly destroyed all that would remain are the building deep under the surface of the planet right? Like in First Strike ... How the base deep underground seems to survive (to some extent) the covenaint glassing of the planet.
On the side of Evolution. It seems possible that the Forrunner evovled on a planet such as earth. Thus after their destruction it is possible that maybe some of the children may have survived on Earth and began to repopulate. They became known as the Human race not the Forerunners.
Just some speculation ...

  • 04.21.2004 9:52 PM PDT
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Yes, I believe that in fact, Bungie used the Bible to create a plot for Halo, and might use it for a possible Halo 2 storyline.

Genesis Chapter 9, 8-11

8 Then God said to Noah and to his sons with him:
9 "I now establish my covenant with you and with your descendants after you
10 and with every living creature that was with you-the birds, the livestock and all the wild animals, all those that came out of the ark with you-every living creature on earth.
11 I establish my covenant with you: Never again will all life be cut off by the waters of a flood; never again will there be a flood to destroy the earth."

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Forerunner- a predecessor; a precursor.
-Predecessor- one who proceeded another in the same position.
-Precursor- a predecessor; a premonitory forerunner.
---Premonitory- forewarning.
-----Forewarn- warn of an upcoming event.

And is it possible that Bungie will throw us all and create a storyline for Halo 2 having nothing to do with a pattern or follow up on what you only think Halo was based on?

  • 04.21.2004 9:53 PM PDT
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Posted by: SQ97
Oh, and "Bring the Noise" is a pretty friggin cool name.



LoL, yeah I kind of like it.

  • 04.21.2004 9:53 PM PDT
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Posted by: lilburnbmw
Yes, I believe that in fact, Bungie used the Bible to create a plot for Halo, and might use it for a possible Halo 2 storyline.

Genesis Chapter 9, 8-11

8 Then God said to Noah and to his sons with him:
9 "I now establish my covenant with you and with your descendants after you
10 and with every living creature that was with you-the birds, the livestock and all the wild animals, all those that came out of the ark with you-every living creature on earth.
11 I establish my covenant with you: Never again will all life be cut off by the waters of a flood; never again will there be a flood to destroy the earth."

Also-

Forerunner- a predecessor; a precursor.
-Predecessor- one who proceeded another in the same position.
-Precursor- a predecessor; a premonitory forerunner.
---Premonitory- forewarning.
-----Forewarn- warn of an upcoming event.

And is it possible that Bungie will throw us all and create a storyline for Halo 2 having nothing to do with a pattern or follow up on what you only think Halo was based on?



Wow, great post.

  • 04.21.2004 9:56 PM PDT
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Well said. Apologies for not looking closely before my earlier outburst.
In my opinion, It would make sense for the forerunners to be human. All the stuff from the game about being the "reclaimer" and the monitor looking @ the human info goes to support that. Why do events in the game have to correspond exactly with the timeline of humanity as we percieve it anyway? I mean, sure, it would be cool if bungie set it up that way, but though Halo is mighty, and approaching holy, it doesn't have to be perfect. Who konws, maybe bungie just included random stuff to make us wonder and to spark discussions like this. (kinda like a complex easter egg...)
-Aeoin

  • 04.21.2004 10:01 PM PDT
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Geesh... my posts are lagging. Interesting correlation. didn't notie that with the bible...
-Aeoin

  • 04.21.2004 10:03 PM PDT
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Hm. Thoughts, thoughts:


* Ark = Halo?
* Wild animals = Humans (warthog, skyhawk, scorpion)
* Descendants = Forerunner?
* Flood = Flood? (a tad obvious)
* Covenant = Covenant? (also ... obvious)

  • 04.21.2004 10:06 PM PDT
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Posted by: serpx
Hm. Thoughts, thoughts:


* Ark = Halo?
* Wild animals = Humans (warthog, skyhawk, scorpion)
* Descendants = Forerunner?
* Flood = Flood? (a tad obvious)
* Covenant = Covenant? (also ... obvious)


Very interesting thoughts. So maybe this thread has changed your opinion, at least a little (note thread Subject).

And thanks for doing the little police work eariler. Somone has to keep order in here.

  • 04.21.2004 10:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: lilburnbmw
Yes, I believe that in fact, Bungie used the Bible to create a plot for Halo, and might use it for a possible Halo 2 storyline.

Genesis Chapter 9, 8-11

8 Then God said to Noah and to his sons with him:
9 "I now establish my covenant with you and with your descendants after you
10 and with every living creature that was with you-the birds, the livestock and all the wild animals, all those that came out of the ark with you-every living creature on earth.
11 I establish my covenant with you: Never again will all life be cut off by the waters of a flood; never again will there be a flood to destroy the earth."

Also-

Forerunner- a predecessor; a precursor.
-Predecessor- one who proceeded another in the same position.
-Precursor- a predecessor; a premonitory forerunner.
---Premonitory- forewarning.
-----Forewarn- warn of an upcoming event.

And is it possible that Bungie will throw us all and create a storyline for Halo 2 having nothing to do with a pattern or follow up on what you only think Halo was based on?



Wow, great post.


If you read my above post I said that I belived that Humans were extinct Forerunner. Err... well almost extinct. I think that Halo was the birth place of the Humans (the 2nd generation). It's possible that they went back to stone age, inablility to communicate etc. Maybe someone like GS was created to protect and teach these humans. I think that these humans may have confused there floating firend as God, because he gave them everything, he could do amazing things (compared to what these "cavemen" could do), so on. It's possible that Bungie is trying to say that these new humans wrote the book of Genesis, In there primitive thinking.

As you said about the Flood destroying of all of the world. Well it's possible that the humans had grown in number and have had become corrupt and evil. Maybe the Forrerunner who built the facility designed the Flood as a safe gaurd. Maybe they wanted a Utopian society thinking that without one they would surely destoy themselves. Thus the Flood were released. And GS told one of them a way to flee from the destruction (Noah).

So on you go Noah must have found Earth and then ... well read the Bible for the rest.

In Halo GS want to re-relese the Flood... This may have been because of his uhh ... insanity (or Rampancy) w/e floats your duct-tape boat.

There's a lot of contradictory things that I can think of to this theory, but to some extent it makes sence and I really cant think of anything that completly negates it ... Just like proving the existance of God or the Big Bang Theory.

"And is it possible that Bungie will throw us all and create a storyline for Halo 2 having nothing to do with a pattern or follow up on what you only think Halo was based on?"
- Thats what I love about Bungie ;D

  • 04.21.2004 10:19 PM PDT
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Tell you the truth, I've always thought that.

My thoughts haven't changed yet regarding the human and forerunner ordeal. But, I do know there is most likely real connections to Halo, and the Bible.

  • 04.21.2004 10:21 PM PDT
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Or maybe the forerunners never make an appearance in Halo 2 and we will never know.

  • 04.22.2004 8:58 AM PDT
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And do you trust EVERYTHING that is posted on the internet? Maybe it would help if you realized that half of the crap on the net is just that, crap. I could make a websight and make all the claims and quotes in the world if I wanted to, and two bit morons like you would buy it all!! haha get a life!

  • 04.22.2004 9:08 AM PDT
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OK everyone shut up plz this isnt some "life post"

what i said earlier was very unbelievable and paranormal

i do believe in reincarnation, but thats not the point

when i posted that psychic stuff earlier i was kinda feeling depressed and hoping it was true that other worlds existed, maybe a sunny paradise 24/7

but we don't know what happens after death... we'll just have to wait and find out oursleves if anything ACTUALLY happens

at the current moment we are alive and must turn our attention to playing this GREAT GAME and bursh aside what i said

Now back onto topic for me: The ForeRunners were humans? perhaps a group of humans broke away and started experiments or something, which created a team of "ForeRunner Induviduals" or summat

cuz if the main human race were FR's then they wouldnt be so technilogically poor!

  • 04.22.2004 9:22 AM PDT
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Yes. You are right. Forerunners CANNOT be Humans. Humans are Forerunners.
Posted by: serpx
Note: I didn't post it in the other thread just so everyone can easily notice this message.

There is already enough evidence to prove that humanity, the -blam!- sapiens, were never, and could never, have been the forerunner species. Humans have already brought out enough experiments and scientific research to know, well enough, the history of our planet and the life upon it.

After the big bang had occurred and our planet brought out development, the atmosphere was way too harsh for any living organism to survive. In addition, it was also way too [b]hot.[b] The Earth’s early atmosphere contained hydrogen cyanide, carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, nitrogen, hydrogen sulfide, and water.

About four billion years ago, Earth cooled enough to allow solid rocks to form. About 3.8 billion years ago, Earth cooled enough for water to remain a liquid. How did we find out how organisms came about upon the planet? It was no Adam and Eve. It all started from the amino acids that came from the lightning and the substances within’ the atmosphere. We found this out from Miller and Urey’s experiment.

Since I don’t have my main resource to explain how their experiment worked, I’ll leave you one from tidepool.st.usm.edu:

In 1953, Miller and Urey tested the "Oparin and Haldane* hypothesis1 by attempting to simulate in a closed system devoid of living organisms the conditions presumed to exist on the early earth's surface. They found that by subjecting a mixture of gases (water vapor, hydrogen, methane and ammonia) to energy, a variety of amino acids and other organic compounds were synthesized in a few days. Numerous replications and modifications of this experiment in many laboratories have yielded similar results. Chemicals formed include all 20 amino acids, sugars, lipids, the purine and pyrimidine bases found in nucleic acids and ATP (when phosphate is also present). These results are obtained as long as oxygen gas is not present in the reaction mixture. Results of this experiment caused a new era of experimentation and analysis of possible primordial components. Coupled with this were the new important discoveries by astrophysicists of the presence of organic molecules in the interstellar medium and in meteorites. However, at present, the relevance of the experimental results of Miller and Urey are being questioned, since the atmospheric conditions used in the experiment are not thought to accurately reflect those of the early earth.

This hypothesis stated that conditions on the primitive earth favored chemical reactions that synthesized organic compounds from inorganic precursors.


AKA Lightning + Early Atmosphere = Amino Acids.

Anyways, after this, we have enough evidence from microfossils and fossils, and using relative dating and radioactive dating upon those fossils, to know the complete history of life. From the time where life first came upon earth, to our present time – therefore in conclusion, there’s no possible way the forerunners can be the humanity species.

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ive got to say, even if life on earth came about from that reaction, well, what if we didnt come from earth, what if we are the descendandts of a forerunner colony???

  • 04.22.2004 9:47 AM PDT
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for the love of mike lu and og....

alright, raise your hands if your as depressed as i am that (somekoffkoff) people cant talk about a difference in opinion/belief/culture blah blah blah without beginning a flippn' holy war. fer cryn out loud people, can we talk about HALO? the OBJECT there is to kill stuff cuz its wearing a different color suit--trust me youll be right at home.

heres a sample of what im talking about (its not the only one tho--not even the "best"):

Posted by: Kalisoldier
Im glad to se that alot of you continued the talk about God and jesus even after i left continue the spread of God because without him our nation is lost


*raises hand* anyone? anyone at all?

  • 04.22.2004 12:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: KillaG
And do you trust EVERYTHING that is posted on the internet? Maybe it would help if you realized that half of the crap on the net is just that, crap. I could make a websight and make all the claims and quotes in the world if I wanted to, and two bit morons like you would buy it all!! haha get a life!



Wow we get back on topic, then idiots like you open your hole.

  • 04.22.2004 12:33 PM PDT
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Ok, Forerunners are not humans we most likely have not seen them. They will be introduced to us in Halo 2 just as the Flood was introduced in Halo.

  • 04.22.2004 12:39 PM PDT
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back to the real question.i think htat the forerunners are a mixture of poo humans and covenant along with some more poo. however on a side note god is real rather you accept this now or later you can not hide the truth. score board wenches i own all of you and challenge you to a duel ill shoot you back to your sess pools of evilutionary filth

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I must say i never really thought about Fr's being human till i read this forum and it's quite interesting some of the things you guys have come up with. Any 1 of them could be true! we'll just have to find out! but im sure it will kick ass wotever it is. But imo i dont think the story will refer to real religious.....things (couldnt find a better word) i mean, it is a bit of a touchy area saying that noah is actually a guy from space who led us to earth. course it aint real or ne thing but i dont think that bungie would go there as it could stir some trouble up, they will probably make some original story line. which is just as good:D

  • 04.22.2004 12:59 PM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

Having not completely read the Bible (only what they make me in school), I can't comment much upon relations between Halo and it (but I do know what you're talking about, just not in-depth).

But I don't think the Forerunners are gone, nor do I think they are just ancient humans. I think that Bungie will intorduce them in Halo 2 or 3 (if there will be a 3), which may disprove the human-Forerunner relation. The way I see, it, the Covenant must've made the connection if there was a connection (although, yes, the Covenant can be stupid... but I highly doubt the Prophets are stupid). If the Forerunners were wiped out, then they can't be ancient humans either.

But there is a lot of ecveidence that shows otherwise:

1.) Striking resemblence between Forerunner technology and 2552 human technology (may just be a coincidense, but the way the structures look on Halo hints at it a little bit).

2.) Spartan familiarity with Forerunner technology

3.) 343 using humans (yes, thats plural, because he used more than one) as "reclaimers."

4.) 343's "lost time" speech (although I still trust it).

and much more.

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Here's a little something, though, said by 343 Guilty Spark:

"The Flood are already hard at work repairing your vessel"

This may have several meanings and let-ons:

1.) The Flood are repairing a vessel to escape the ring.

2.) Perhaps the Flood were used to control races enslaved by the Forerunners? It makes more sense than some would think, although there are contradictions. Maybe the Forerunners used the Flood as mind-control (in warrior forms, since they can be contained, like Pvt. Jenkins, and even perhaps manipulated eventually), and only kept infection forms in captivity so they wouldn't pose a severly dangerous threat to society. As a fail-safe, the Halos were constructed in order to kill the Flood (indirectly) if there was an outbreak of infection forms. That may be a little far-fetched, however (considering the contradictory statements made by 343 Guilty Spark regarding the Flood)... I don't necessarily think that this particular theory is true.

3.) 343 Guilty Spark doesn't exactly know what the Master Chief and humanity are, or is confused on what ships they use... He said that the Flood are already repairing the Chief's ship. At that point in the story, the Flood hadn't found the Pillar of Autumn, according to dates represented in the book (or if they had, they couldn't have begun repairs yet, since the Covenant were defending it). The Truth and Reconciliation is the only ship described being threatened by the Flood at that time. Perhaps 343 thought that, since there was no human presence at the PoA site at the time, it was actually a Covenant ship (but he would've realized later on that this wasn't true, due to the "lost time" quote... see below). He also may have thought that the Truth and Reconciliation was a human ship, since Captain Keyes and a few other humans were brought there by the Flood (I say other humans because in the "control blob," you could see the legs of others that weren't Covenant).

In regards to the "lost time," perhaps 343 never realized his error in ship identification (if there was an error). I doubt that he got the history from computer memory of consoles in the PoA. Its more accurate (and to some, more obvious) that he tapped into Cortana and hacked the information out of her (since she says, "He's in my databases.").


Just my thoughts. More soon.

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good points. i didnt even think about the masterchief being familliar with the halo tech--whoops. however, i still dont think humans are fr's--cuz eventually that would mean that instead of blasting them the covies would worship them, which really kills all sequel possibilities.

whatevers goin on, bungie is kicking back and collectivly laughing at us beat our little brains into our keyboards.

ohohoh one thing i always wondered (maybe im just ignorant)--if the forerunners could capture all the flood anywhere and stuff them into halos with all the robotic firepower to guard them, why didnt they just wipe them out instead? A) eliminates threat of future outbrake and B) saves $$ of building halo(s). so maybe the flood are actually the forerunners gone mad or something? nah, scratch that, doesnt really make sense.....

.....of course if we find out the truth in halo five or whatever and the above was right, im gonna go ballistic (no pun with the name intended)

[Edited on 4/22/2004 1:38:04 PM]

  • 04.22.2004 1:32 PM PDT

I like my Covenant like i like my woman, screamin and with a sticky on there face.

ok first of all your scientific theorys are right yes the earth was hot about 3 billion years ago...but the forerunners were around about 150,000 years ago since they left halo around 100,000 years ago so it was quite possible that the forerunners were on earth. My theory is that for some reason they needed to activate halo to kill the flood killing nearly all of them but some managed to make it to earth which could have been there home planet anyway and some of them survive

  • 04.22.2004 1:41 PM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

back to the real question.i think htat the forerunners are a mixture of poo humans and covenant along with some more poo. however on a side note god is real rather you accept this now or later you can not hide the truth. score board wenches i own all of you and challenge you to a duel ill shoot you back to your sess pools of evilutionary filth

Those are your beliefs. Your beliefs to do not have to be shared by every person... they're yours Saying that everyone must agree is self-centered. No one is the same. Not everyone's thoughts are the same... so why post something like that? What does it accomplish? Satisfaction from trying to insult people? Satisfaction from having your beliefs public? Satisfaction from being arrogant? Or was it just for -blam!-s and giggles? Don't post your religious and scientific beliefs here. Only use religious and scientific information to prove points about Forerunners. Read the post topic, genius.

Now, back to the Forerunners. I have a size discrepency on them. First of all, most of what they built on Halo (rooms/hallways) is big. But some hallways are quite small... so it seems unlikely that Forerunners would be the giants that Covenant make them out to be (there's a few quotes in the books that seems to show that the Covenant think they were giants). But, unless the use of doors in the level, The Library, was restricted to monitors and sentinels, how could anything human (or Covenant specie) size reach the holopanels? Were they just giant worms with limbs (explains why they'd be able to fit through the smaller spaces)... unlikely, but still.... or did they have wings? Again, unlikely but consider 3 facts before saying its crap (which it damn well may be):

The Covenant are imitative. They probably base many of their designs off of the Forerunners that they worship (like writing, and possibly other things). Also, look at the Prophet's headdress (there's renderings and a sketch that you can find). To me (maybe it is just me that sees this), it kinda resembles a set of batlike wings (small wings at that, but still). Furthermore, the Prophets use antigrav belts in order to float. In The Flood, Zuka 'Zamamee thinks that this is because of luxury, show, and possibly intimidation. Perhaps its more than that? Maybe the Prophets aren't as devious as we think they may be (well, I do), and are actually very devoted to the Forerunners. Devoted enough to try to be a little bit more like them...

This may not be terribly believeable, but it has examples from pictures and the storyline to back it up. Just my thoughts.

[Edited on 4/22/2004 2:00:43 PM]

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I must admit, there is ONE thing that does make me rethink on my thoughts, and that's when it came to John somehow knowing what to press when it came to activating the light-bridge, in The Flood, and any other ordeals in relation.

As mentioned, Spartans have this familarity with forerunner technology. I have a few concerns on that in mind, but they're not entirely solid enough to mention yet, so I wont. But it does interest me on how John felt that he's seen these symbols before, and such.

I'm not entirely sure, this is one of the biggest questions upon Halo's storyline -- and it'll take a lot more speculation and research to find out more possible answers. Until Bungie opens the blinds.

  • 04.22.2004 1:57 PM PDT