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Actually, they could be humans. I'm surprised you didn't see this; it is possible that Earth isn't actually a human planet, and that it was a Forerunner colony terraformed into the habitable environment we occupy today. After all, being human does not necessarily mean your ancestors had to be Terrans. That's part of my theory - Halo was fired before (as evidenced by 343 Guilty Spark's comments in the intro to level 8), and killed every sentient being in the galaxy, but the Forerunner had already planned for this. So, they set up "seed stations" on some of the planets that they controlled that would restructure the indigenous creatures' genes so that they would evolve into sentient beings. Therefore, humans would not be perfect copies of the Forerunner, but rather genetically similar versions whose evolution from primates was urged along by the Forerunner "genetic sentience virus." There is strong evidence for this in one of the Cortana letters, which tells about 4 OTHER WORLDS WITH PRIMITIVE HUMAN ARTIFACTS. Maybe the old Forerunner will return to our galaxy (I think they left the galaxy) and save us in Halo 2? Anyways, that's my theory, don't blame me for repeating anything others have said - you wouldn't want to read 16 pages of posts, either.

Oh, and all you people arguing about God, put a sock in it. This is a forum for a science-fiction based first-person-shooter, not religion. Most of you would classify me as an atheist, but my beliefs lie closest to those of Buddhism.

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  • 04.22.2004 2:14 PM PDT

WoG

"...have a killatalor!"
ROMANS 1:18

Proof that evolution is wrong? What about the proof that evolution is right? If you have no faith, and look at it purely scientific, you are putting the creation of the entire universe, on some action that was:

Unrecordable
Unrepeatable
Spontaneous

???? That's not a sound theory.

Can I prove my theory? The bible is true. There are many different people who have tried to go out of their way to prove it isn't- but were convinced that is was. How can you explain people terminally sick with cancer, all of the sudden goto their doctor and be completely healed? Evolution? Evolution says they should have died.

I don't know how you get by without any hope for the future- thinking there is no hope, nothing to live for. What a dreary life. Doesn't that get to you? Don't you think about what happens to you when you die?

  • 04.22.2004 2:55 PM PDT
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I think when you die you just kind of black out and have no sense of self anymore.
How do you feel when you are asleep and not dreaming? I think that's how you'd feel when you die.

  • 04.22.2004 2:59 PM PDT
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Posted by: Terran Grunt
Actually, they could be humans. I'm surprised you didn't see this; it is possible that Earth isn't actually a human planet, and that it was a Forerunner colony terraformed into the habitable environment we occupy today. After all, being human does not necessarily mean your ancestors had to be Terrans. That's part of my theory - Halo was fired before (as evidenced by 343 Guilty Spark's comments in the intro to level 8), and killed every sentient being in the galaxy, but the Forerunner had already planned for this. So, they set up "seed stations" on some of the planets that they controlled that would restructure the indigenous creatures' genes so that they would evolve into sentient beings. Therefore, humans would not be perfect copies of the Forerunner, but rather genetically similar versions whose evolution from primates was urged along by the Forerunner "genetic sentience virus." There is strong evidence for this in one of the Cortana letters, which tells about 4 OTHER WORLDS WITH PRIMITIVE HUMAN ARTIFACTS. Anyways, that's my theory, don't blame me for repeating anything others have said - you wouldn't want to read 16 pages of posts, either.

Oh, and all you people arguing about God, put a sock in it. This is a forum for a science-fiction based first-person-shooter, not religion. Most of you would classify me as an atheist, but my beliefs lie closest to those of Buddhism.


terraforming--i like it.

but if halos been fired off already, it would mean that the forerunners took themselves out (unless theyre somehow immune). that would explain my earlier question ("instead of trapping them, why didnt the fr's just kill the flood?")--the forerunners build a bunch of halos as safe-haven things (maybe their home planets are overrun already) but with an self-destruct style device (the big setient-life flyswatter of doom device) which they fired off when the flood infiltrated the halos. then the auto-seeding facilities restore the evolutionary paths of all the planets AFTER 343 and the sentineils trap the flood in the halo structures. this sound reasonable to anyone?

thanx to terran grunt for sparking this thought process

  • 04.22.2004 3:11 PM PDT
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In reply to wrath of god, I do have hope. I hope you will shut up.

  • 04.22.2004 3:35 PM PDT
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Exactly, Ballistics. What I'm trying to say is the argument over Forerunner evolution on Earth is moot. They most likely were human (or something close), but didn't come from Earth. That makes us the alien species that just happens to be living here, oblivious to our majestic heritage.

Oh, and about God, none of the stuff from the Bible is proven either. It's a matter of faith. Personally, I believe that when you die it's just another step on the infinite path. Next stop - astral plane. Maybe that's where the Forerunner are (anyone here have Metroid Prime? Remember the Chozo?). :)

If your Christian beliefs are strong enough that you feel you need to force them on others, that's your problem. Not everyone agrees, and that kind of thing has no place in the Halo story (yes, there are Bible references but it's not a game about God that strictly adheres to the "Good Book").

  • 04.22.2004 4:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: Yan Yin
I think when you die you just kind of black out and have no sense of self anymore.
How do you feel when you are asleep and not dreaming? I think that's how you'd feel when you die.

That's exactly what I think happens when you die.

  • 04.22.2004 4:27 PM PDT
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I like monkeys I like to think of my self as one * this is ment with no religious condentation*

  • 04.22.2004 4:27 PM PDT
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Look, I'm not saying the Forerunners are Humans, or arent but really did you know the flood were gonna come? Weren't you suprised? For all we know bungie could have some HUGE ironic surprises in for us. Plus I agree with the other guy too. Really are the flood real? No, than why would everything else correspond? It's like in a triangle if one thing is different than, theyre completely different.

  • 04.22.2004 4:30 PM PDT
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Your theory is more or less what I've been wanting to say, in some ways, but I couldn't put it into words. I'm glad you did, Terran Grunt. Nice work. Especially the terraforming aspect... Terraforming is cool. And nice name, by the way. I like the contradiction in it.

And about religion. Drop it already. The arguments are getting old. If you don't like what people are saying, don't respond. Sit behind your computer desk and laugh, if thats what pleases you, but don't say anything. If something someone says offends you, tuff titties! Don't respond... you'll just get more of what you don't want, and then you'll respond more. The process will repeat, repeat, repeat. The only way to stop this argument is to shut up and focus on what this entire forum is about! Bungie, and more specifically, HALO! No more!

  • 04.22.2004 4:31 PM PDT
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Posted by: WRATHofGOD18

Unrecordable
Unrepeatable
Spontaneous

???? That's not a sound theory.


It is recordable. It is repeatable. It is spontaneous.

But it's not recordable by humans, as of yet. C'mon, do ya' really think a race that has committed as many atrocities as us is based on a divine being? We're all nuts. What does that say about the thing we're based on?

Alright I'm going to take that guy's advice and shut up about religion now.

  • 04.22.2004 4:35 PM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

Heh, you think like me, Grunt.

  • 04.22.2004 4:51 PM PDT
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All of u that think halo is related to god go 2 my form the it's made 4 u
So do not toke about god or real life in general

I think that this proves all

1) master chief knows all the buttons in halo
2) guilty spark says u r the reclaimer like u have bin their before
3) in the last level he says look at all of OUR lost history
their r to many to name but thoughs r the best reasons that i know and r all
very real

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  • 04.22.2004 5:08 PM PDT
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so forerunners are the ancient super-monkies that obliterate themselves and ressurect the sludge that will become humans. i like it.

but this still doesnt answer the BIG question: when the hell am i gonna get my hands on one of those class-12 suits GS343 mentioned? i mean if the MC wears class TWO, twelve must be packing some SERIOUS heat....

-twitch-

  • 04.22.2004 5:29 PM PDT
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i think forerunners can be human because as you have facts (i am talkin to serpx now) i too have facts everyone at bungie (though genuis game desiners) are not very smart i dought anyone of them could figuere out what you put down and would probaly not have the patienence to read the entire thing but i personally do not think they are human but in fact forerunners encountered human sometime in humanitys past like the egyptians who might have built pyramids to the sky to signafie that the forerunners came to earth from the sky that would explain why 343 reconized MC also in the conversation with 343 the mojin armor might be taken by forerunner technology if you don't know what i mean i will explain it The humans in one of their mining explorations might have found acient forerunner ruins and use the technology they found there (since in these ruins there were no plasma weapons for the humans to take) to make the mojin armor but a really really really old forerunner design for 343 to suggest he should upgrade to the level 12 armor (which is probaly realllly amazining) so that is why i think you are wrong in some ways

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  • 04.22.2004 5:52 PM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

I just want to point out that thinking that the Master Chief being called "reclaimer" is significant isn't exactly valid yet (no offense). In The Flood, it clearly states that there was another reclaimer (said by 343 Guilty Spark, in fact). This reclaimer was just a "hardcore sonofa-blam!-" (quoted from Master Chief) Marine that made it surprisingly far in the Library. Perhaps this Marine was "recognized" by 343 (like he "recognizes" the Chief). If so (although there's no way to tell, since we don't see 343 talking to any other human), then it makes the fact that 343 thinks he knows the Chief relatively insignificant.

  • 04.22.2004 6:27 PM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

Heh, yeah... A class 12 exoskeletonal combat suit would be so -blam!- cool...

That'd be sweet if it was in Halo 2 (unuseable). If there will be Forerunners in the game, some of them should wear them (if you have to fight them).... Imagine how tough that would be... I mean, an Elite can already withstand a rocket to the chest on Legendary, and their suit of armor isn't much better than the Mjolnir (technically, its not better, its worse, but in-game, the Elites' shields in legendary are stronger on them)..... Whoa.

  • 04.22.2004 6:54 PM PDT
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I just got my hands on the GameInformer, and from what I've read, I've came up with a bit more speculations.

As these guys have played the maps, they note that "Waterworks" is a map inside a massive cave. Within' this cave, there is an alien machine that seems to have been made from Forerunner technology. The odd part is that they speculate from the size of the cave, they think the level takes place on EARTH.

Could it be possible that the forerunners VISITED Earth, billions of years ago?

  • 04.22.2004 7:11 PM PDT
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Remember, back in Reach, there also was a bit of Forerunnish technology INSIDE the planet.

There could be something like that within' our own planet.

  • 04.22.2004 7:12 PM PDT

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Yep. Which is presumeably why the Covenant are interested in Earth (other than the fact its our homeworld).

  • 04.22.2004 7:24 PM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

Ah, the good Barron, you have no idea.

No offense. Hehehehe.

Perhaps you can help "keep the peace" on this thread. My efforts don't seem to be working terribly well,... although the posts about the Forerunner are becoming a bit more frequent.

Anyway, Serpx, I just want to know why Game Informer thinks that the cave is in Earth... There are a lot of caves in the universe...

  • 04.22.2004 7:32 PM PDT
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I thought a little about that myself.

For all we know, it could even be on another Halo. Perhaps it was the geographical features of the level that got to them. They did not say.

  • 04.22.2004 7:34 PM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

Unless it shows the surface of whatever the hell the level takes place on, one can't really tell. The double bridge room in AotCR (towards the middle) is basically a big cave with Forerunner technology inside it...

Even if it does show the surface, and the other parts of the ring are not visible (assuming no cloud coverage), it'd be inaccurate to say that its on Earth... there are other planets out there. However their speculation is a tad bit justified, due to the fact that much of Halo 2 (presumeably) takes place on Earth.

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Here is something else I found interesting in the Game Informer article upon the level of Burial Mounds:


The second level featured in the alpha test is named Burial Mounds. A medium-sized map, Burial Mounds is a barren, deserted themed map which prominently features a military base and huge pieces of metal affectionately referred to as "the ribs" because of their resemblance to the skeleton of a long-dead giant.


Long-dead Giant. The ribs of a forerunner, perhaps? And if so, maybe they're a little bigger than we thought.

On the subject of "big", here's something else I found regarding possible new enemies:


Word is there may be even more enemies, including a huge-beast capable of flipping over a Warthog!


If the Forerunners DO make an appearance, and they ARE giants, and they arn't entirely our allies ... we're in trouble.

  • 04.22.2004 7:39 PM PDT