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Omni...

Wow, somebodys getting his doctors in halo...

Anyways, despite what you may think, bungie is a BUSINESS. Theyre here to earn money. (and rule the world, but thats a different story). Why would they miss out on a huge market (take the number of people here in the Maw and multiply by, oh, twenty?) just becuase they dont think it will run well on pc?

  • 02.23.2005 8:18 PM PDT
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They are a business, but they are also artists and developers, and professionalism says that they do what they do and do it well.

The fact is, Halo 2 for PC will be utter s**t, plain and simple. It would be like taking the Mona Lisa out of the Louvre and hanging it in Margie's diner down the street, right above the tray that has the pitchers of syrup and the little containers with the packets of sugar, next to the half-empty bottles of tabasco. But beyond that, you're asking DaVinci to rise from the grave and move it himself.

Also, Bungie is probably working too hard on Halo 3 to worry about porting Halo 2, so MicroShaft will most likely find another 3rd party to make another speed dub. As a halo lover, I just don't wanna see that happen again.

[Edited on 2/23/2005 8:43:02 PM]

  • 02.23.2005 8:28 PM PDT
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[color=yellow]Yah maybe on your computer halo 2 would look like s**t, but on most computers halo 2 would look 3 times better than xbox. [/color]


Posted by: omnipotentwalrus

That aside, Halo and Halo 2 were designed, born, and bred to be xbox games. Things like the control scheme, the tightness and coordination between the analog sticks, the slight rumble as you smack an opponent in the back of the head as he sighs and his corpse crumbles to your omnipotent feet, just can't be done on PC and probably never will.



[color=yellow]dude you must be in the stone age or something, Halo was originally made for[/color]
[color=red]MAC[/color][color=yellow], then developed for pc, but then Micro$oft stepped in and needed a flagship game for their new xbox. Second, the keyboard and mouse have a lot of coordination between them and are actually 2-5 times more accurate. the xbox version needs to auto aim for you because its so inacurate. third, you can feel rumbles with a thing called a "Sub Woofer". and heres something xbox cant do, surround sound, it doesnt have the software for 3d possitioning effects. so actually all those things have already been done fon pc.[/color]

  • 02.23.2005 9:14 PM PDT
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Yah maybe on your computer halo 2 would look like s**t, but on most computers halo 2 would look 3 times better than xbox.
Athlon XP 2600+ Mobile ed. (lower FSB and wattage for lower temp.)
512MB pc3200 OCZ
GeForceFX 5900XT
nuuBcaek.

dude you must be in the stone age or something, Halo was originally made for MAC, then developed for pc, but then Micro$oft stepped in and needed a flagship game for their new xbox
True, Bungie was working on a top-down SciFi RTS called Halo, but the game we know and love was developed from those designs and characters as an action title for the xbox in the span of 9 months.

Second, the keyboard and mouse have a lot of coordination between them and are actually 2-5 times more accurate. the xbox version needs to auto aim for you because its so inacurate.
Keyboard and mouse are indeed highly accurate, but they really don't work for a couple of reasons: 1) That system is not what Halo was designed for, and 2) Some people would call Halo an action game in a FPS format, and with that comes certain design and game elements that are more console action and less shooter. If we wanted another counter-strike or Quake we'd ask Valve or Id to develop one.

third, you can feel rumbles with a thing called a "Sub Woofer". and heres something xbox cant do, surround sound, it doesnt have the software for 3d possitioning effects. so actually all those things have already been done fon pc.
It's completely unrelated. The whole "feel" of your universal control is contained within the god-device of the controller. And Xbox DOES have 5.1 surround. I run mine on a Logitech 5.1 system through my computer, via optical input jack. Either way, you lose.

"Right, woofer?" "RUMMMBBLLEEE, I eat n00bs like halodude, RUUMMMMMBLEEE"

[Edited on 2/23/2005 9:47:57 PM]

  • 02.23.2005 9:35 PM PDT
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its inevitable; crappy or not here it comes. if you think h2 is better on the xbox than pc, heres an idea: DONT BUY IT. do yourselves and everyone else a favor by saving 50 bucks and stop whining your [butts] off

  • 02.23.2005 10:20 PM PDT
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I agree, if you think Halo 2 is crappy on the PC, then the most simple solution is to not buy it, and not even complain it here since most of your statement is basic ranting and in the same process, making yourself look stupid.

  • 02.23.2005 11:36 PM PDT
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Seriously though? Excuse me for not wanting to stand idly by and watch some moneygrubbers disgrace the Franchise. Of course I'm not going to buy the game; that goes without saying, but seriously, this is about more than personal preference. This is about preventing another scar on the face and name of Halo.

As for looking stupid, well... you guys are using 1500 dollar systems to play the crappiest game port ever. Go intelligence. I'm going back to the halo 2 forums now. Late.

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  • 02.24.2005 12:09 AM PDT
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IMO Bungi has abandoned us PC gamers. By refusing to make Halo2 for the PC they show their true colors. It's a shame really. oh well, there are other games out there to play

  • 02.24.2005 8:17 AM PDT
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Posted by: omnipotentwalrus
As for looking stupid, well... you guys are using 1500 dollar systems to play the crappiest game port ever.


Just as I expected from a Xbox fanboy drone. Very funny how the Xbox people think we spend thousands of dollars on hardware when a PC gamer actually builds their own computer for less, not to mention to use the internet, homework and misc. And while the xbox gamers buy an xbox 150 then buys a Dell computer just for homework and internet all for 1500, whoops, looks like we saved 150 there. No need for explaination here

Posted by: omnipotentwalrus
I'm going back to the halo 2 forums now. Late.


Yeah, I think its best you should go there, actually you should have stayed there in the first place and STFU.

[Edited on 2/24/2005 12:46:03 PM]

  • 02.24.2005 12:40 PM PDT
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Whoa, hold on there. I can't leave just yet. Is it just me, or did you call me a fanboy, a drone, and a big box victim in the same post?

Sir, why do you think I would boldfaced insult Halo PC if I had never played it? Fact is, I played that game, even founded a clan over it, and it lasted for about 6 months before it became unbearable.

And yeah, I build my own systems. I build them for all my friends and family. This one cost about 700 flat ( that's my own hard-earned money, not what mommy and daddy gave me). Also, for such a pack of computer aces, not an athlon among you. Tisk.

I realize there are alot of xbox fanboys, and I am not one of them. Fanboyism is easy, but it takes a degree of insight and experience to see the advantages and shortfalls of each system. I don't think I've been spamming "OMG G4YLO FOR PC SUXX0RZ CUZ I S3D SO SO GET AN XBOX AND STFU N00BZ." On the contrary, I've been analyzing both ends from the perspective of both a designer and a gamer. I think most of you would more easily fit into the definitition of "fanboy".

All told, Xbox has an advantage in this battle, because that is what both Halo games were designed for, and design says a helluvalot more than hardware ever will. If Bungie had designed Halo and Halo 2 for the PC from the get-go, it would be a far different story, and we would be talking about a far different game.

  • 02.24.2005 1:26 PM PDT
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I think a lot of people forget that Halo was also being made for ps2 until microsoft took over, so just be glad there is only a xbox/pc fight not an xbox/ps2, and ps2/pc fight also.

  • 02.24.2005 3:06 PM PDT
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Well all i have to say is that your wrong on mulitple accounts.
Bungie orginally started out doing things for the PC. And Halo would have been on pc if m$crosoft had not come in and kept it only on there relatively new system called xbox.
Also, about that whole control scheme and rumble? I have a controller thats better then the crappy xbox controllers and it has a much nicer rumble feeling, and its wireless. As for graphics and stuff, compared to the average comp xbox might look better, but thisis not the case with my computer.
One thing i can agree on is the not so great online play where you have to aim a bit ahead to hit people, although this is easily overcome by anyone with some kind of skill.
So bring halo 2 on!! It will kick ass on the comp, IF ANYONE AT BUNGIE IS READING THIS, I SAY THIS, TAKE YOUR TIME AND DO IT RIGHT, WE CAN WAIT!!!!!!!!!!
-peace

  • 02.24.2005 3:11 PM PDT
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Posted by: Silent_Death
So bring halo 2 on!! It will kick ass on the comp, IF ANYONE AT BUNGIE IS READING THIS, I SAY THIS, TAKE YOUR TIME AND DO IT RIGHT, WE CAN WAIT!!!!!!!!!!
-peace
Wizpig64 (AKA Napoleon): Heck yes!

  • 02.24.2005 3:18 PM PDT
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Wow...just one day away and this perfectly ok forum just turned into a flamer's lair.

Cut it out!

Posted by: omnipotentwalrus
This one cost about 700 flat ( that's my own hard-earned money, not what mommy and daddy gave me). Also, for such a pack of computer aces, not an athlon among you. Tisk.


Hmm...ive got an hp pavilion w/AMD Athlon xp-m clocking @ 512-MHz. And i earned it by taking a job. So dont say all of us have sugar daddies.

Besides, desktops, high performance ones, are getting cheaper by the month.

Now, lets reason a bit. Omni, ive gotta disagree with you. You do bring up some good points there, but hear me out...

Posted by: omnipotentwalrus
Sir, why do you think I would boldfaced insult Halo PC if I had never played it? Fact is, I played that game, even founded a clan over it, and it lasted for about 6 months before it became unbearable.


Unbearable in what way? Looks fine to me. Especially the smaller screen. And with a decent graphics card, it looks A-OK. Even with a cheap card, it still looks fairly decent. You mean lag? Well, Xbxlive has lag too.

Posted by: omnipotentwalrus
All told, Xbox has an advantage in this battle, because that is what both Halo games were designed for, and design says a helluvalot more than hardware ever will.


So, how exactly is the Box different from a PC? Controls? Nah, easily ported over. Keep in mind that the Box is essentially a PC dedicated for gaming. Besides, for the money-savvy gamer, the PC is the way to go. (I think somebody else brought this point up but let me elaborate.) 700 USD brings you a decent high-performance desktop with little need for tweaking. Why would you ever have to tweak it if it was good already...unless you made off with a bad deal.

Plus, the PC is upgradeable. The Box is an "As-Is" product. They release newer versions of the box, forcing you to shell out 300 if you want more and better games. As for the PC, just spend about half that amount to upgrade it. Plus, the PC can do more for you. Play games, watch movies, listen to music. You can even do work (psh. Yeah right.) And dont tell me the xbox plays DVD's, you need a seperate controller for that. And you need to spend for an xbxlive account.

Reply if you so desire, but please, NO FLAMING!!!

  • 02.24.2005 3:53 PM PDT
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Me15ter, don't try with that guy. He actually thinks Halo was MEANT for Xbox? Did he know that it was originally meant to be PC, and then PC and all consoles, and then just XBox. The original version looked like RTS, then third-person...

He needs to watch the development videos. Anyway, Halo1=Halo 2. Both are very good and have strong and weak points. So there!

Yar, matey.

  • 02.24.2005 5:12 PM PDT
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omnipotentwalrus, you evidently know jack sh1t about PC gaming. Your mistakes are listed as follows:

1) Halo was originally designed for Mac, since Bungie made Mac games. It was then planned for PC aswell. Images and Videos, even a screensaver, of pre-xbox Halo are available on bungie's own website. Halo was 90% complete when they ported it to Xbox. It was 3D, had one MasterChief as it's central character, the covenant where designed and modelled, the Halo ring is clearly visible. Banshees are there, most of the weapons are there, even the flamethrower which got taken out before the xbox release. Halo on Xbox was a last minute shift because the Xbox had such a crap starting line-up. Btw, First-Person Shooters originated, evolved even, on PC. For that reason, they'll always be best on their parent system.

2) Any game on PC would own any console game in the graphics department, Period. you might be playing on 640x480, that's because your PC is t3h sh1t. You've listed your spec and it's laughable. People with proper PC's play games at 1280x1024. The Xbox's resolution is BELOW 640x480, since that's all that non-HDTV's can support. The Xbox has no hardware support for DirectX 9 effects since it has an 8.1 card. Every game which is made for PC then ported to Xbox (Half-Life 2, Doom 3, FarCry) has it's graphics greatly cut down. The Xbox wasn't at the forefront of graphics 5 years ago. It sure as hell isn't now either.

3) Halo 2 would be better on PC than xbox for the previous two reasons. And, also we'd get free multiplayer. Haha. Ok you can go now we're finished with you.

[Edited on 2/24/2005 5:20:54 PM]

  • 02.24.2005 5:18 PM PDT
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Good call man, no flaming. Hear me out as well. I'm not trying to say that the box is a better system than PC. A good computer is a must-have for any self-respecting gamer. All I'm saying is that Halo is designed for, and plays much better on, the xbox. I'm not just talking about net lag. I'm talking about the difference in control, the choppiness and jumpiness of the framerate, the fact that whenever an enemy is nearby or in close combat framerate drops extremely low, even on the best systems.

I apologize for becoming hostile, but seriously... the CURRENT incarnation of Halo was not designed for PC. PCs have variable hardware, speeds, software configurations, mouse/keyboard, all of that. The xbox is exactly as you said... "as-is", and that's why porting games FROM the xbox is alot harder than porting games TO the xbox. If I had to buy one gaming system for any game, I'd build a PC, for all the reasons you stated. But if we're just talking about Halo, I'd go with the system halo was designed and tested for. Fact is, it runs best on the hardware profile of the xbox, with the 8.1 shaders, texture renderers, and lighting of the xbox, with the stable net architecture of the xbox network. The only reason Halo 2 on xbox Live works is that all xboxes are the same. The math for the net code is based on the original Marathon games, which was proven to work horribly on the variable platform of the PC, but ran fine on Macs, for which there was a set of stable hardware profiles. I might be able to dig up the link that explains how this works if you asked me. I believe it was posted on howstuffworks.com and linked from Bungie's home page.

Sorry for flaming you guys. I got dumped on, and I just fired back. It happens.

(and by the way, xbox live is only 5 bucks a month, not too shabby for the experience. Also when I said 640x480 i was approximating the xbox-- I run my pc at 1152x864.)

[Edited on 2/24/2005 5:42:32 PM]

  • 02.24.2005 5:31 PM PDT
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Halo was designed for, and plays better on PC. A constant 60 frames per second is not choppy. Try getting a decent graphics card. I have no net lag. People with 56K dial up or those who join foreign servers have net lag. You don't get that on Halo 2 because it doesn't give you any choice of which server to join, it just picks the one with the least ping. Seriously, Halo was designed for PC/Mac. Not xbox. FPS's are games of accuracy and skill, the fact that the xbox uses auto-aim should clearly show that FPS's are made for systems with greater accuracy, like that which the mouse gives. Chronicles of Riddick was ported from Xbox to Pc, and it runs better, and has better graphics. No problem.

It sounds to me like you're bitter that Halo doesn't run that well on YOUR system. You clearly haven't seen what it runs like on a decent system if you still think it's better on Xbox. you get the experience you pay for. If you buy budget graphics cards like the 5900XT, expect budget performance. Get an ATi next time.

  • 02.24.2005 5:47 PM PDT
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man u gotta love these arguments.. anyways, i have found that in my experience PCs can and do have better graphics than most consoles systems. It's though very hard to compare the 2. With xbox and other consoles there is a "limit" as to what the average framerate has to be, or the amount of detail in character mapping. These restraints come about due to the Xbox's hardware. The one big problem with Halo PC was that it was essentially a port. It was never really "made" for a PC platform after Bungie decided to, or had to, make it for Xbox.

Since the graphics, controls, design, etc. were never designed to run on a PC it can be expected that it wouldn't work the greatest. All i'm saying is that if Halo 2 were to come out for PC it would have to be reingeneered to fit the hardware specs. of the average computer. Unfortuantely this was never done to Halo PC, to run this game well u in fact do need a higher-end computer. Personally i do not really care so much about graphics, if it's not the shiniest toy on the shelf, it doesn't mean i won't buy it. I would already be satisfied with Halo 2 graphics on a PC, however they really would need to tweak it to match the resolution used by most computers(for me that's 1024 x 768) but otherwise there is not much needed to amke an already great game even better.

But i would have to agree with a lot of people on this that a free multiplayer ( as opposed to Xbox live) is a defenite advantage to having to shell out every month. Not only do u need to pay for xbox live every month but also for the starter's kit (i.e buying a headset, with controller connection.) it all adds up in the end, and i highly doubt they would ever make us PC players pay for the multiplayer, gamespy works fine so far in. I can understand the advantage of using a controller but in previous threads i have said myself that i'm planning on using an xbox controller to play PC. Part of the fact that would make Halo2 so amazing for PC is because computers are so customizable, you can have different graphics every time, don't have a great system, put it on low detail, upgrade, set the detail to high. Look i'm no expert on computers, and some people would even call me a noob when it comes to these things, but i when i have an opinion on this i know what i'm saying, and i say that Halo2 would make a fine addition to my PC collection.

[Edited on 2/24/2005 6:11:44 PM]

  • 02.24.2005 6:08 PM PDT
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Skippy:
Right, because the 5900XT is a budget card... nay, I think you are mistaken. It was in the top tier of graphics cards until the x800's and 6800's came out. In fact, I'd wager my 5900 against most cards in ATi's 9800 tier. I think the mx400 or the ti4200 would be a budget card; get your facts straight. I also have a 3-megabit cable pipeline, on which I join servers within 64ms.

Now, I know what you're talking about in regards to the evolution of Halo. Yes, I've seen the videos. Yes, it was being developed for pc/mac as an RTS, then a 3rd-person action title. But when bungie was asked to make halo for the xbox, they underwent a 9-month crunch to re-design, re-tool, and re-write the game for the xbox. In other words, the FPS we know today was designed for xbox, a completely different beast than what was being planned for Mac and PC.

I won't deny that a mouse is more accurate than a joystick for the average FPS... I know, because I play many other PC games like ut2004 and battlefield. Halo is different, though. It's hard to describe without having to put on another pair of boxers.

  • 02.24.2005 6:17 PM PDT
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okayyy didn't get that part about putting on another pair of boxers(nor do i want to figure it out) but ya i agree with u about the video card. I have a FX 5600 and it works like a dream, of course there's not a lot of competition between it and my friend's 9800PRO but i'm sure the 5900 is quite a bit better.

  • 02.24.2005 6:23 PM PDT
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nVidia's XT notation means the budget model. ATi's XT notation means the overclocked edition. the best card before the x800/6800's and the 9800XT by Asus. Oh look that's my card. But anyway, the 5950 was a better card tha yours, as was the regular 5900.
3 megabit pipline? that's about 375 kilobytes per second then, pretty slow. Unless you're just too thick to know the difference between bits and bytes. I have a 1Mb/s ADSL which allows me to join servers with 33 ping.

I'd hardly say a new graphics engine made Halo a totally different game for the xbox. The thing which makes FPS games different from each other is the conept and storyline, which was established beforee Halo went to Xbox.

Halo, like Half Life 2 and many other directX based games, run better on Radeon cards. Benchmarks for HL2 show that the 6800Ultra is about level with the 9600XT, which shows you how much better ATi's handle directX games. The 5900 might not be a budget card exactly, but nor is it by any means a high end card. Don't criticise the performance of Halo on every system based on it's failures on yours.

My point is, Don't go around saying 'Halo will run badly on everyone's PC coz it does on mine'. And certainly don't say Halo 2 shouldn't be on PC, because wtf do you know about what it's going to turn out like? You know damn well the PC has more power and potential to make Halo 2 twice the game it is on xbox.

  • 02.24.2005 6:29 PM PDT
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Wow, where to go from here... your 1Mb ADSL also stands for megabit, which ends up being about 125 kiloBYTES.
New graphics engine and design, including things like the size of the gun barrel, how things appeared onscreen, the hud layout, etc. It was meant to be seen in a range between 4 feet and 10 feet, on screens ranging from 4 inches (split-screen MP) to 60. Also, control layout, force-feedback, level design. All meant for a console. Now, an overhaul in the graphics engine may not mean much, but completely re-designing the fundamental gameplay does. As for story, well... Halo can be ported not only to PC, but also to paper! It doesn't get very good framerate, but it definitely smells good. Like a new shoe.

It's a fact that most games are developed on nvidia systems. ATi is a newcomer to the industry, relatively speaking. It's also a fact that ATi's do clock higher than nvidia cards, but comparing the picture quality of the two, Nvidia is superior.

  • 02.24.2005 6:45 PM PDT
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My freind tells me that Halo 2 PC is out in July i dont know if he is lieing ( probly is) he said that he knew it was comeing to pc in june before it came to xbox. he might not be lieing the person who told him probly is.

  • 02.25.2005 1:29 AM PDT

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