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Subject: The Athenian Guard Is a new type of clan that gets rid of the caste...
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http://www.factmonster.com/ce6/history/A0838100.html
http://library.thinkquest.org/17709/wars/peloponn.htm?tqskip1 =1
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_1741501460_2/Ancient_Gree ce.html#p50

There are three of my sources!

  • 06.26.2004 4:15 PM PDT
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Yea because you dumb Athenians really piss me off with your lack of hiistory knowledge

  • 06.26.2004 4:16 PM PDT
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lol, there is a fine line between devothin and obsession, you have crossed it...no offence.

  • 06.26.2004 4:17 PM PDT
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So Absolution you want to show me your refrences? Please I would like to know. If you can find me a CORRECT refrence please tell me! I want to know if I am wrong (even though I know I am right)

And Shadow_Warriorx Thanks for telling me about this!

  • 06.26.2004 4:20 PM PDT
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Sparta did win, but they didn't kick Athen's ass. They actually struggled against Athens and wanted peace on a couple of occasions (they realized the war was much more risky than they had anticipated). Pretty pathetic when Spartans were bred for war and they had a hard time against people who didn't spend their whole lives training for war. Athens was actually a much better society. Sparta was just a fascist, warmongering city-state. Athens excelled at art, political philosiphy, music, and other things (things more important than war). They were also fairly good at war, considering they were a match for a polis that trained for war their whole life. Not to mention Sparta(ns) is so damn cliche and unoriginal.

And please don't ruin this post with almost a page of flaming and spamming. Thats inconsiderate, as I'm sure you would not like people to ruin your clan advertisement. Why did you even post here if you have no interest in joining the clan and aren't in it? You instigated it by looking for trouble.

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  • 06.26.2004 4:24 PM PDT
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i would be happy tho give you a referral of what i know...its what little i remember from 2 years ago in wester civ...:)

so in responce, i apologize for pissin gyou off so much

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  • 06.26.2004 4:24 PM PDT
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im slow, stupid, and in many cases, stubborn. but i do know enought that firts off, what your doing is rude and secondly, you are taking this to a level that it doesnt need to go to...again, its a game!

  • 06.26.2004 4:27 PM PDT

Me: "OMFG, Dude... wtf!"
AbolitionofMan: "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to betray you."
Me: "That's the 4th time in this game alone!"
Chris: "Third, besides he had the flag I was trying to stop him, how was I supposed to know you were there."
Me: "I said, 'I got the Flag, don't shoot.'"
Chris: "Well those Wraith shots take a while to reach you."
Me: "You were right next to me, I had killed him and a minute passed before you decided to shoot."
Chris: "Hahahahaha, yeah... that was great."

Posted by: Templar Zealot
Sparta did win, but they didn't kick Athen's ass. They actually struggled against Athens and wanted peace on a couple of occasions (they realized the war was much more risky than they had anticipated). Pretty pathetic when Spartans were bred for war and they had a hard time against people who didn't spend their whole lives training for war. Athens was actually a much better society. Sparta was just a fascist, warmongering city-state. Athens excelled at art, political philosiphy, music, and other things (things more important than war). They were also fairly good at war, considering they were a match for a polis that trained for war their whole life. Not to mention Sparta(ns) is so damn cliche and unoriginal.

And please don't ruin this post with almost a page of flaming and spamming. Thats inconsiderate, as I'm sure you would not like people to ruin your clan advertisement. Why did you even post here if you have no interest in joining the clan and aren't in it? You instigated it by looking for trouble.


What's wrong with a Facsist State? Well, let me rephrase that, what is wrong with Facsist Ideals, the REAL ones... don't drag WWII into this... those were not Facsist States... well. Itatly was but that was it.

I'd love to have an AIM political disccussion with you Templar... if you are up for one?

Achilles

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  • 06.26.2004 4:30 PM PDT
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yes, we established this many years ago after we invaed Normandy,
F a c i s m i s b a d...but how is the relevent to the "topic" at hand?


Let me rephrase" there were 2 types of facism, like communism. -blam!- Facism and "normal" facism. genneraly facism is branded bad because of the -blam!- influence(-blam!-@$$es), same with communism: Theres Soviet Communism and Communism

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  • 06.26.2004 4:33 PM PDT
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Posted by: Templar Zealot
Sparta did win, but they didn't kick Athen's ass. They actually struggled against Athens and wanted peace on a couple of occasions (they realized the war was much more risky than they had anticipated). Pretty pathetic when Spartans were bred for war and they had a hard time against people who didn't spend their whole lives training for war. Athens was actually a much better society. Sparta was just a fascist, warmongering city-state. Athens excelled at art, political philosiphy, music, and other things (things more important than war). They were also fairly good at war, considering they were a match for a polis that trained for war their whole life. Not to mention Sparta(ns) is so damn cliche and unoriginal.

And please don't ruin this post with almost a page of flaming and spamming. Thats inconsiderate, as I'm sure you would not like people to ruin your clan advertisement. Why did you even post here if you have no interest in joining the clan and aren't in it? You instigated it by looking for trouble.


Sorry but when I am the clan leader of a clan called the {SS} I get pissed when we get flamed! And if you all paid attention we are no longer accepting members so our threads are pretty useless now!

  • 06.26.2004 4:34 PM PDT
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Absolution your clan brought this upon themselves they used wrong historic facts and dumb comments to insult people imo your clan was the one that took it to this level hey the historic arguments are better than the dick references you guys and the SoT were spewing earlier

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  • 06.26.2004 4:34 PM PDT
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i agree compleatly, but with no offence ment to my own clan and yours, was it quite necessary to stoop to our level?

  • 06.26.2004 4:37 PM PDT
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O and I am sorry for trying to repair our pride, if you want we can have this erupt into another Peloponnisian War on XBL and we can show you all how Sparta beat Athens.

[Edited on 6/26/2004 4:38:35 PM]

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What's wrong with fascism? Well, complete rule by one person or group of persons is normally a bad thing. Unless you have some extremely wise people. Even then they would do some things wrong and do the things that benefit them most. No politics though, its against the rules.

Seriously, this is out of hand. I typed that, then when I submitted it (a couple minutes later) there was a whole nother page of ice dragon getting off topic and proving he had a somewhat disturbing obsession with trying to let it be known that he is right and the ultimate, while destroying our clan's advertisement. Seriously, this thread has gotten totally off topic. Its about exposing people to our clan so they can take a look at it. And ice dragon should know (since he's such a history buff) that Athens was a much better polis, though they didn't win the war. Sure sparta was marginally better than Athens at war, but Athens focused on the better things of life. Even then they gave sparta a challenge.

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  • 06.26.2004 4:38 PM PDT

Me: "OMFG, Dude... wtf!"
AbolitionofMan: "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to betray you."
Me: "That's the 4th time in this game alone!"
Chris: "Third, besides he had the flag I was trying to stop him, how was I supposed to know you were there."
Me: "I said, 'I got the Flag, don't shoot.'"
Chris: "Well those Wraith shots take a while to reach you."
Me: "You were right next to me, I had killed him and a minute passed before you decided to shoot."
Chris: "Hahahahaha, yeah... that was great."

Posted by: Absolution
yes, we established this many years ago after we invaed Normandy,
F a c i s m i s b a d...but how is the relevent to the "topic" at hand?


Let me rephrase" there were 2 types of facism, like communism. -blam!- Facism and "normal" facism. genneraly facism is branded bad because of the -blam!- influence(-blam!-@$$es), same with communism: Theres Soviet Communism and Communism


Exactly, you have one extreme after the other. Though, the irony in it all is that the two, (the extremes anyway), are practically identical... the real form of each is the exact opposite. And this has no relavence to the topic excpet making a point to Templar's statement.

Achilles
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  • 06.26.2004 4:39 PM PDT
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DAMN IT TEMPLAR you are the reason i came into this! I am sorry i have a very short temper but please this wouldnt have happened if you and cheeseass just kept their mouth shut!

  • 06.26.2004 4:41 PM PDT
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Shadow Warrior, I agree that the immaturity on both sides was unnecessary and uncalled for. Ice Dragon, that was what we call a hypothetical situation. It doesn't matter that your threads are useless, its the fact that is was incredibly disrespectful to ruin ours. How did all you people even come to post on this thread? I guess I could look back through the posts and see what caused you guys to get involved, but I'm not interested and its not important.

  • 06.26.2004 4:44 PM PDT
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exactly!

the tradition spcetrum of politics is a line...one extream to another: today thatnks to the -blam!-s and soviet commies, you have to look at it as a circle with a barrierat one point. One end you have, lets say American Democracy; go around the circle and you arrive at a perverted of Karl Marx's Communism: Soviet Communism. The ideals and objectives are somewhat related, however the means of achieveing those goals are where we find the difference between democracy and communism.

  • 06.26.2004 4:45 PM PDT
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You know i would stop but yet you still flame us!

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Posted by: IceDrgn437
DAMN IT TEMPLAR you are the reason i came into this! I am sorry i have a very short temper but please this wouldnt have happened if you and cheeseass just kept their mouth shut!


What exactly did I say that got you involved? I know comments made by people earlier were immature and uncalled for, but I can't remember what I said that would have gotten you so angry. But then my memory isn't very good.

Please keep political discussion out of this. The bungie forums are no place for that, as the forums say in their rules. I shouldn't even of said that first comment about how I like communism. I should have kept my oppinion to myself, I am sorry.

EDIT: The only thing I said that could have gotten you involved was a historical fact that spartans did things. Or possibly that I thought Athens was a better polis. Which many historians would support: they had much better accomplishments and lifestyles. This thread should get locked. I hope it does.

[Edited on 6/26/2004 4:54:30 PM]

  • 06.26.2004 4:50 PM PDT
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Ok all I apologize for all of this. I want you all to know that I would like a little peace between us. Shadow warrior is right this is getting out of hand

  • 06.26.2004 4:51 PM PDT
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im glad you feel that way. <sounds weird> but i aplogize for my clan and for anything i may have said that offened anyone.

Halo and Halo2 were made so we all could have fun, not bash eachother about who suck or who insulted who...lets just forget this and enjoy Halo2...isnt that the who poin tof this site?
:)

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  • 06.26.2004 4:54 PM PDT
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Sorry I have a short temper and not to mention short term memory loss shadow warrior can tell you about that

  • 06.26.2004 4:55 PM PDT
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Ok here is the deal there were 3 wars not one.

No one won the first just skirmishes.

In the second sparta comes attacks athens athens with stands the siege using tactics unseen before they lived behing their walls. You may say this is cowardly but the term coward was developed by the uintelligent.

In the third athens along with thebes attacked sparta freeing the helots (spartas slaves) being not a self sufficient nation they were on able to maintain power and were destroyed.

Sparta was gone Athens survived

Also this is one historic reference you seem to be missing, the reason i called it the athenian guard and not the theben guard was because athens is the first place to believe everybody is equall and have freedom of speech which fits very nicely with how my clan is organised. Athens was conquered but in the end it won otherwise the olympics would be in sparta this year.

  • 06.26.2004 4:56 PM PDT
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Moderators as the creator of this thread i ask for u to get rid of this thread its gotten out of control. Ill start a new one later thank you.

  • 06.26.2004 4:58 PM PDT