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Subject: Bungie Weekly Update: 6/20/08
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Well at least that upset kid was right about one thing. Halo 3 is a P.O.S.

  • 06.21.2008 2:21 PM PDT
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Imagine a game of basketball during which every time you shoot the ball the hoop moves one inch in a random direction. Would that change the outcome of a 1v1 between you and Kobe Bryant, no. Would it change the outcome between Kobe versus himself (an equal match-up), yes, it would randomize the outcome.

Now, I dont want to rant on how Bungie should change Halo 3 and make it a viable competitive title, I know it cannot be changed and will not be changed. I just want to shed light on the sad reality that video games (along with much of society) are being dumbed down in favor of casual play with no outlet for someone who enjoys true competition.

P.S. Luke you didnt censor Dan91's post in any way. What he posted was ridiculous (ly funny) in its own way, yet crucifying it here was just cruel.

  • 06.21.2008 2:32 PM PDT
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Wow Lukems, you are the nastiest person I've ever met in my entire life. You have no right to single someone out and you don't deserve your job. You should be ashamed at your actions, Frankie would've never done anything like this.

You are a poor excuse for a human being. Good day sir.

Hmm, wonder why I even bothered to post this, I'll just end up banned and backlisted.



[Edited on 06.21.2008 2:58 PM PDT]

  • 06.21.2008 2:55 PM PDT

Relax, its a game.

I have to say one of my favorite things about halo 3 is that one weapon doesnt always dominate every potential situation. Sometimes there is a way to get a guy with a "better" weapon, usually by attacking the other player when they are not at the most effective range for their weapon. I've even noticed that dual maulers will beat a shotgun if you are just a little out of the shotguns optimum range because they fire faster. Its nice to know that if you are running around with an AR and the other guy has a BR; all you have to do is get close enough to beat him out, be sneaky and be smart. For those that dont get it, i'm sure it could be frustrating running straight at 'em guns blazing and dieing before you even see a flicker in their shield. Some people need to quit crying, quit playing, or just play team rockets. Halo 3 is the best online multiplayer shooter out there. Bungie rocks! Peace, Im out!

  • 06.21.2008 2:59 PM PDT

Relax, its a game.

Casual gaming is a problem? wow, some of us have other things to do, like maybe a real basketball game or work, and dont have time to invest countless hours into a game so we can print out our stats, go to the club, and try to pick up chicks with our K/D ratio. I think games have gone too far towards the hard core gamers. In COD4, i felt like i was running around with a stick and a rock while other players had every damn gadget and perk in the game, crushing all us "casual gaming" fools with their carpal tunnel hands and atrophied manhood. Halo 3 is great for casual players and hardcore players. Good players dominate via SKILL, map control, and teamwork. Casual gamers can pick it up and have a good time because they arent thrown in with players who have a competitive advantage such as better starting weapons or perks improving character performance in the game. What if you played basketball against Kobe and had super jumping shoes and lightening dribble gloves from the hours you spent shooting freethrows at the local Y on another lonely Saturday night? Is the game being decided by skill still?
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Imagine a game of basketball during which every time you shoot the ball the hoop moves one inch in a random direction. Would that change the outcome of a 1v1 between you and Kobe Bryant, no. Would it change the outcome between Kobe versus himself (an equal match-up), yes, it would randomize the outcome.

Now, I dont want to rant on how Bungie should change Halo 3 and make it a viable competitive title, I know it cannot be changed and will not be changed. I just want to shed light on the sad reality that video games (along with much of society) are being dumbed down in favor of casual play with no outlet for someone who enjoys true competition.

P.S. Luke you didnt censor Dan91's post in any way. What he posted was ridiculous (ly funny) in its own way, yet crucifying it here was just cruel.

  • 06.21.2008 3:18 PM PDT

Posted by: Achronos
Remember, trust is calculated daily, and the maximum value possible changes every day too. Since the titles are based on the percentage your trust value is compared to the maximum value, it can easily change if the max value goes up further than you go up in the intervening time, even if you haven't had any negative items against you.

In other words, no the system isn't buggy, stop asking why your title changed, I'm not going to tell you.

Boo hoo.
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Well at least that upset kid was right about one thing. Halo 3 is a P.O.S.

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Boo hoo.
Posted by: CrankyApleJuice
Well at least that upset kid was right about one thing. Halo 3 is a P.O.S.


Nice reply. Takes a lot of brainpower for that one, eh? You and Luke could get along well.

  • 06.21.2008 3:30 PM PDT

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I really enjoyed the write up on the BR.

Although I mostly always thought the BR in H3 was awesome, this really helped me understand *why* the BR feels so different than H2.

H2 always felt more like an "arcade shooter" to me... just kind of a point and click application using the BR... and while I loved it and still hold a special place in my heart... I'm gonna have to say that H3 and the H3 BR perform sooooo much better.

Also, that's really exciting how you unveiled Chill Out at MLG...
and I'm totally down for more old classic maps to be re-invented...
However...
I'd still like to see some NEW maps that rival the old maps.
I think the maps that shipped with H3 are amazing... but so far NONE of the new maps (remakes included) have lived up to anything that shipped with H3 or the entire H2 collection.

  • 06.21.2008 4:11 PM PDT

Why can't red team and blue team just talk it out?

The update for this week was cool, but I would have liked a little more for Cold Storage. Oh well, I'll just check it out on Halo CE.

  • 06.21.2008 4:13 PM PDT

I run Skirmish!!!

Posted by: ShadowMac
I have to say one of my favorite things about halo 3 is that one weapon doesnt always dominate every potential situation. Sometimes there is a way to get a guy with a "better" weapon, usually by attacking the other player when they are not at the most effective range for their weapon. I've even noticed that dual maulers will beat a shotgun if you are just a little out of the shotguns optimum range because they fire faster. Its nice to know that if you are running around with an AR and the other guy has a BR; all you have to do is get close enough to beat him out, be sneaky and be smart. For those that dont get it, i'm sure it could be frustrating running straight at 'em guns blazing and dieing before you even see a flicker in their shield. Some people need to quit crying, quit playing, or just play team rockets. Halo 3 is the best online multiplayer shooter out there. Bungie rocks! Peace, Im out!


Your wrong dude, one weapon can dominate a potential situation. take epitaph in team doubles as example. one team has a rocket launcher and a shotgun, the other team has little chance of getting kills. you could stick the other team but if the other team is good enough to get both power weapons then they are good enough to avoid getting stuck. You can be sneaky but if since crouch walking takes a while and if you wait too long to attack the other team will know you are planning on sneaking up so they will be alert and waiting for it. another example would be HC snowbound (bungies favorite gametype in doubles). one team gets the sniper and mauler and all the other team could have would be a brute shot, needler, carbine, a BR, stickies, plasma rifles and spikers. if the other teams stays down below with snipes and mauler your BR or AR start would be in effective to counter the sniper and mauler and stickies would eliminate one player but not the team.

  • 06.21.2008 4:15 PM PDT

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  • 06.21.2008 4:18 PM PDT

Mistah Yoshi!!!

I just bought Black out and the others a week ago, and now theres more maps coming out again?

gotta love Bungie.

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  • 06.21.2008 4:19 PM PDT

I run Skirmish!!!

I am not feeling that remake of Chill Out. I am ready for new maps, made from scratch. no more remakes, EXCEPT if it is coagulation. why hasnt bungie remade that one yet anyways, that was a top favorite in halo2. I would like to see bungie put there creative hats back on and start making brand new, exciting maps.

  • 06.21.2008 4:22 PM PDT

Re: the weekly update.

The in depth look at the Br with functions and purpose was very well done. I think that it’s balance with other weapons in the game are just about right. I do not have any problems with the spread of bullets, or the fact that you have to lead your shoots, or slightly less auto- aim. The H3 BR takes more skill to use then the H2 BR, b/c of these 3 things. I think that these 3 things is why there is more skill in H3 as a whole. However, the skill level in short range combat is lacking, and furthermore—not interesting.

Some things that I think that could improve game play, and make it more fun are the following.
-much less auto- aim in melees, and different melee damage due to player speed and/ or jumping.
-Slightly faster reloads and weapon switching.

I’m sure you guys have considered the following, and have your reasons for not changing or tweaking them. I understand that any game is delicate balance between fun and completive. As for what I would like to see in the future in H3 are more maps, suited for 4v4 and 2v2, that play fast. Cold Storage looks amazing, and one of my friends was at SD and said that it’s nothing short of impressive. Anyways I would like to thank you guys for all your hard work with the game, and understand that maybe changing in game mechanics isn’t realistic. But one thing I know you could do is — give us a new forge canvas with alien objects, and lots of them

  • 06.21.2008 4:31 PM PDT

Lukems, you said this when discussing the melee flaws: "Randomness is a poor substitute for tactics and skillful execution." I agree.

Why is it okay for the BR to be inherently random, when it isn't okay for the melee system to be random? Heck, why not make the entire game based off of an RNG (random number generator) like WoW? Oh wait, the br already is.

Instead of calling it "getting out-br'd", kids are going to start calling it "getting out-RNG'd".



[Edited on 06.21.2008 5:09 PM PDT]

  • 06.21.2008 5:07 PM PDT

I'm probably twice your age, punk!

Oh, and say hi to your Mom.

Thanks a billion for the BR explanation. A better understanding of the weapons is always good.

I don't remember Chill Out. I'm going to have to pop Halo 1 in and refresh my memory. Screenshots look great.

What's up with the podcast?

  • 06.21.2008 5:17 PM PDT

DeVoN 34

This map looks absouloutly awsome how many more maps are going to be realeased and do you know when

  • 06.21.2008 5:41 PM PDT

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This map looks absouloutly awsome how many more maps are going to be realeased and do you know when

2 others:
Purple Reign
Moonbase Alpha

Don't know when, though. I hope it's Bungie Day!

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Personally, I prefer Halo 3's BR to the Halo 2: more realistic to actual physics. I know you get a lot of flak from the same types of people who complained about the pistol change between Halo 1 and 2, but congrats to you guys on this one.

That being said, another update where you managed to turn little tidbits of information and turn them into a story. . . are you chanelling Frankie?

  • 06.21.2008 7:18 PM PDT
Subject: What about the scope?

I have a serious question about the battle rifle. Don't know if it'll get answered, but can't hurt to ask, right?

Ok, so i was taken back by the fact that i actually understood everything regarding how the battle rifle functions. What i would still like to know is how zooming affects everything mathematically. If you watch the video here (http://gameroom.mlgpro.com/view/FELN61RZ59g.html) you'll see why i'm curious.

the first part makes sense: no zoom=no hit, zoom=hits. the second part seems a little stranger. the reticle is slightly off the target in both cases, but when un-zoomed, a bullet will hit every once in a while. when the player zooms, no bullets hit at all. my guess is that while zooming physically makes the target larger on your screen, it will also decrease each bullet's possible deviation. am i right? any clarification or other ideas would be really kool. that's what i've come to believe, and this update kind of reinforced the idea for me. what do you guys think?


oh and by the way

Why is it okay for the BR to be inherently random, when it isn't okay for the melee system to be random? Heck, why not make the entire game based off of an RNG (random number generator) like WoW? Oh wait, the br already is.

compare it to real life, dude. the outcome of someone getting punched isn't random, so it shouldn't be in the game. However, at a long enough range, a real burst-fire weapon's bullets will spray and potentially miss their mark. it's random in real life, so why not in halo?

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  • 06.21.2008 7:58 PM PDT
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Ok first off... the whole thing on the BR was actually not that boring. Deffently the least boring tech brief yet. Second I LOVE THE NEW MAP!!!! I'm sure most ppl will agree with me... Bungie..... I heart you. On that note can you pretty pretty pretty please bring back blood gulch and maybe midship? =) I heart you!!!

  • 06.21.2008 8:01 PM PDT
Subject: Bungie Weekly Update: 6/20/08

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oly crp i loved chill out and the my question is the thing in picture 1 a blue reciever node because there were recievers in H1 chill out so yea also the thing in picture 2 "whats on the celing" defenitly a grav-lift we know your tricks bungie. by the way im not a nerd (no offence) so basically in english what'd you guys do to the BR???

  • 06.21.2008 9:51 PM PDT

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oly crp i loved chill out and the my question is the thing in picture 1 a blue reciever node because there were recievers in H1 chill out so yea also the thing in picture 2 "whats on the celing" defenitly a grav-lift we know your tricks bungie. by the way im not a nerd (no offence) so basically in english what'd you guys do to the BR???


quote, basically, what they did was slow the bullets down so that over longer distances it is not "shoot and -blam-, the bullets are instantly there hitting your target." I think that is it, at least that is what I understood.

[Edited on 06.21.2008 11:01 PM PDT]

  • 06.21.2008 11:00 PM PDT
Subject: What about the scope?

Smalls, how can you be a mythic member with six pages of posts, when I have eight? Is it how much you post, or how many words you use in a post? Or do you have to be helpful to other people?

I am just wondering. Not trying to get your membership "demoted".


By the way, do you blacklisted or something for not reading the update and just posting "First!!"?

[Edited on 06.21.2008 11:05 PM PDT]

  • 06.21.2008 11:03 PM PDT
Subject: Bungie Weekly Update: 6/20/08

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Posted by: x DI Chaotic x
Wow Lukems, you are the nastiest person I've ever met in my entire life. You have no right to single someone out and you don't deserve your job. You should be ashamed at your actions, Frankie would've never done anything like this.

You are a poor excuse for a human being. Good day sir.


Agree completely. It is extremely unprofessional to single somebody, and not only that, but take what he said completely out of context. Frankie would have never done anything like this, and you are a sad excuse for a replacement.

  • 06.21.2008 11:59 PM PDT