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Subject: is bxb and bxr cheating?

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you know press b then x then r

  • 06.28.2008 3:03 PM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.

Nothing is cheating if you don't get caught.

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  • 06.28.2008 3:39 PM PDT

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cool no cheat really all right

  • 06.28.2008 4:01 PM PDT

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They aren't cheating.

  • 06.28.2008 5:00 PM PDT
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ARBITER, I CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S NOT BUTTER!!! WORT WORT WORT.

Yes it is. Hard to enforce it was, enforced it's not. So, now it's up to your conscience.

  • 06.29.2008 12:23 AM PDT
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How do you perform the button combo? (im new as well)

  • 06.29.2008 1:03 AM PDT

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Skipping levels, activating super weapons and such in many games is cheating.

Also, most games don't feature hidden control actions that aren't mentioned in game or manual.

Finally, many people don't accept them whatever is the case, so it is controversional. Much more than using AR in Halo3.

I say yes it is.

  • 06.29.2008 2:18 AM PDT
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According to Bungie it is. Which means within the realms on MM on xbl it is considered cheating, even though you can't get banned for it. However, anywhere else besides MM it's not considered cheating.

  • 06.29.2008 3:15 AM PDT

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After three and a half years people still complain. Okay, sure they're cheating. They are about as bad as using the cheats in GTA. Although, they are not a bannable offense. If they were, MLG Halo 2 would cease to exist. Some people are against them, a lot of people use them, and the rest of the population don't care. If you could get banned for using them, I'm pretty sure some people from Bungie would get banned.

  • 06.29.2008 11:12 AM PDT

Uhhh, no. Infact the reason why it isn't cheating is because it takes quite a bit of skill to use well, and anybody can do it. So no, not cheating.

  • 06.29.2008 1:01 PM PDT
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Posted by: RussellTheHippy
Although, they are not a bannable offense. If they were, MLG Halo 2 would cease to exist.


No it wouldn't. If they were bannable, MLG would change their rules and make it so button glitches aren't allowed at the tournament.

  • 06.29.2008 8:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: ZeroDefiance
Posted by: RussellTheHippy
Although, they are not a bannable offense. If they were, MLG Halo 2 would cease to exist.


No it wouldn't. If they were bannable, MLG would change their rules and make it so button glitches aren't allowed at the tournament.

I meant that all of the pros would be banned from xbox live.

  • 06.29.2008 8:40 PM PDT
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Posted by: RussellTheHippy
Posted by: ZeroDefiance
Posted by: RussellTheHippy
Although, they are not a bannable offense. If they were, MLG Halo 2 would cease to exist.


No it wouldn't. If they were bannable, MLG would change their rules and make it so button glitches aren't allowed at the tournament.

I meant that all of the pros would be banned from xbox live.


No they wouldn't. They would adapt accordingly and refrain from using them.

  • 06.29.2008 8:41 PM PDT

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I doubt that they would stop using them. And I don't see how they could enforce it.

  • 06.29.2008 9:06 PM PDT
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Button glitches speeds up the game and makes halo 2 different than halo 3

  • 06.29.2008 9:24 PM PDT

Posted by: ღMidnight Hawk2ღ
Everyone is entitled to their own wrong opinion.


I'm part of the Bungie.net Minecraft group/server called SeptaCrafters
We're a Bungie.net group that goes to our very own Bungie server. Most players are from the Halo community either off Bungie itself or through word to Halo friends.

Posted by: tnt287287

Button glitches speeds up the game and makes halo 2 different than halo 3


*agrees*

I don't use button glitches unless i am in a custom game. Super Jumping however.....stupid clan doesn't allow me to super jump unless the other team does it first =(

  • 06.30.2008 5:21 AM PDT

Posted by: BACUS666
No, anybody can use them.


Does that mean they're not cheats? I used this example in a similar thread but it stills works fine here.

While almost everyone now knows how to do the button combos I find it unsportsmanlike like to abuse the game in ways it was never intended. That's is what I hate about debates such as these. Those defending button combos tend to argue in circles. Just because everyone knows how to do them doesn't mean they should. Just like everyone knows how to cheat on a test and score an A. it may be gratifying to the person who scored it to know they scored better than everyone else, but those that took the test the way it was supposed to be taken realize that that is indeed cheating. I believe button combos are one of the few reasons why only a small inkling of people go back to Halo 2. The story applies to me. I refrain from playing it only because of the button combos people have a tendency to abuse.

I've never used the button combos and never will. I'd try to persuade the OP to do the same but unfortunatly you've been influenced. Oh well. Just another reason not to pop in Halo 2.

YF (Hi midnight.)

  • 06.30.2008 6:14 AM PDT

In matchmaking it's cheating.

Although there's nothing morally bad about using them in a game where everyone else is. But in most of matchmaking that's not the case anyway.

  • 07.01.2008 5:27 AM PDT

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Posted by: YahwehFreak4evr
Posted by: BACUS666
No, anybody can use them.


Does that mean they're not cheats? I used this example in a similar thread but it stills works fine here.

While almost everyone now knows how to do the button combos I find it unsportsmanlike like to abuse the game in ways it was never intended. That's is what I hate about debates such as these. Those defending button combos tend to argue in circles. Just because everyone knows how to do them doesn't mean they should. Just like everyone knows how to cheat on a test and score an A. it may be gratifying to the person who scored it to know they scored better than everyone else, but those that took the test the way it was supposed to be taken realize that that is indeed cheating. I believe button combos are one of the few reasons why only a small inkling of people go back to Halo 2. The story applies to me. I refrain from playing it only because of the button combos people have a tendency to abuse.

I've never used the button combos and never will. I'd try to persuade the OP to do the same but unfortunatly you've been influenced. Oh well. Just another reason not to pop in Halo 2.

YF (Hi midnight.)

I don't think that's a very good analogy. That works better when describing modding or standbying. Those people go out of their way to gain an unfair advantage, just like people who cheat on a test, who mainly use elaborate plans just to get an "A". But using a BXR or a quadshot is like using a pencil to do something other people cannot do with it because they have never tried. So in this analogy I think that cheating on the test is like standbying or modding, whereas the BXR and quadshot are like twirling a pencil or pen. Everyone has the abiliy to twirl the pencil without doing anything out of their way, they just don't know how to do it. And when other people see someone twirling a pencil they might try and fail, but then that person chooses whether or not to show them how to do it. I think you made a poor analogy. The type of twirling I'm talking about is where you use your middle finger to push it around your thumb in an odd fashion that appears strange.

  • 07.01.2008 11:34 AM PDT

I can't find the official Bungie employee post proving that button combos are cheats, but I'll try to recall if from memory.

1. Not everyone can do them, people in PAL regions do not have the same glitches as NTSC region players.

2. Exploiting any glitch is considered cheating by the Xbox live terms of service.

3. Bungie has stated on several occasions that button combos are considered cheating.

So, yes button combos are cheating, but Bungie can't do anything about it.

  • 07.01.2008 12:05 PM PDT

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Posted by: Quetzocoetl
I can't find the official Bungie employee post proving that button combos are cheats, but I'll try to recall if from memory.

1. Not everyone can do them, people in PAL regions do not have the same glitches as NTSC region players.

2. Exploiting any glitch is considered cheating by the Xbox live terms of service.

3. Bungie has stated on several occasions that button combos are considered cheating.

So, yes button combos are cheating, but Bungie can't do anything about it.

If the XBL thing considers them cheating then that is probably the only reason someone from bungie said they are cheating. I don't think Bungie cares whether or not you use them.

  • 07.01.2008 12:09 PM PDT

So just because it is elaborate means that it is on another level compared to BXR? I'm sorry but looking over at someone's paper is not elaborate. People may not use BXR to get an A on a test but they use it to get the kill that under normal circumstances, may nor have been given.

I'll admit that analogy was indeed rushed (more of a spur of the moment) but yours isn't necessarily good either. Twirling your pencil isn't looked down upon, twirling your pencil doesn't give you an advantage over those unable to do it.

YF (ah arguments, the blessing and bane of humanity.)

  • 07.01.2008 12:22 PM PDT

"I wanted to make people happy, if only for an hour."
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Okay, here is a better way of describing BXR, quadshot, standbying, and modding while still using your analogy. Say you are taking a standardized test, such as the ACT or SAT. You are seated far away and there is no way to look at someone else's test without getting caught. You could've gone out of your way to steal the answers in a ridiculous and elaborate manner, this is like standbying or modding. It gives you an outrageous advantage because you know what the outcome will be. If you prepared for the test by studying different methods of taking it you might have an advantage but it is not an unfair one. This is similar to quadshotting and BXRing. You do not know the outcome but it does increase your chances of doing well. You might do better than someone else who did not know the different strategies and methods but you did not cheat them out of a good score. It's just like if someone is incredibly smart or possibly even a genius there may be no strategy to make a higher score on the test. Just like if someone is naturally amazing at halo and can just counter the BXR and quadshot they are still going to win. Standbying and modding just make the outcome set in stone whereas there is still a chance of losing if you use a BXR or quadshot.
Does that make more sense?

  • 07.01.2008 6:32 PM PDT

If you follow what the XBL TOU says, yes, it's cheating -- it forbids you from exploiting stuff like that. Not everyone can do it; I think that those glitches were patched in the Halo 2 build that was released in Europe.

Will you get caught for it? No, not unless enough people report you for it. Does that make it any less cheating? No, see above. If you get banned because a lot of people reported you for using glitches, do you deserve a second chance? No, because chances are you've been doing it a ton and aggravating a lot of people.

The reason why Bungie doesn't auto-ban you for it is that their system cannot detect errors in the game itself; it can only detect a player manipulating game files.

[Edited on 07.01.2008 7:15 PM PDT]

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