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Posted by: Mutoid Log
...a BR that poses no real threat outside of 20 feet?wtf
You have some serious distance estimation issues.


Slight exaggeration for dramatic purpose, but its really not that far off. First off "feet" is a relative term inside of the game world, so a more appropriate term would be "world units," which would then be in reference to some standard in-game unit. However, I simply used "20 feet" to say "the BR has a really short effective range" in a few words.

You may disagree, but lets take a look. Outside of "20 feet" or so, the BR isn't going to be 100% effective (4-shot kill) every time, regardless of how good your aim is. This is due to the spread. Due to the extreme range limitations and slow ROF of the BR, outside of 20 feet or so, the enemy is given ample time to turn and find cover or have their teammates retaliate, even if they made a dumb move. Sure, I may be exaggerating slightly, but not by much.

  • 11.18.2008 9:03 AM PDT
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Honestly, i think teh BR is fine the way it is and that its a great gun...

it trully requires skill to use it properly, much like the spartan laser...

both can be used to annihilate the opposign team...

BUT, my issue is with these limitations it put on the players when all that ever come up is "TEAM BRs" on anything... frankly its a waste of a game and a waste of a map layout.

All anyone uses is the BR in these variants, which is boring, and provides no room for creative customization of fighting style or combat tactics.

i know this is not going to change anything..but the BR should be a pickk up weapon, just like the shotgun, rockets, SL, etc...

  • 11.18.2008 9:19 AM PDT
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The BR is the most powerful midrange weapon in the game. The BR is just amazing so I have to go to MLG to start with BR cuz its not so many times its Team BR´s on Team Slayer and Social Slayer.
(I put big on BR to hail the BR)

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Posted by: Panda ping
The BR is the most powerful midrange weapon in the game. The BR is just amazing so I have to go to MLG to start with BR cuz its not so many times its Team BR´s on Team Slayer and Social Slayer.
(I put big on BR to hail the BR)
there are only 2 mid range weapons in the game...... and human ones do more unshielded damage.btw carbine takes out the shield faster br = anoying games = why halo has droped a good 50,000=200,000 average players since nearly everyone online now uses it

  • 11.18.2008 1:34 PM PDT
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I can out br everyone. tehe, its true!
add me on xbl my gamertag is: sSENSE

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Posted by: ssense
I can out br everyone. tehe, its true!
add me on xbl my gamertag is: sSENSE
people like this are what takes up a good margin of this forum. No one cares really it just says you basicaly can't use any other weapon even somewhat well

  • 11.18.2008 2:48 PM PDT

Multiplayer Gameplay
Halo:CE------------------Reach--------Halo2-----------------H alo3
Campaign Experience
Reach----Halo:CE-----------------ODST-----Halo2---------Halo3

Glad that Halo 3 garbage is dead, thanks to Reach.
Unfreakenbelievable!!

Posted by: NfinitDdreamer
Honestly, i think teh BR is fine the way it is and that its a great gun...

it trully requires skill to use it properly, much like the spartan laser...

both can be used to annihilate the opposign team...

BUT, my issue is with these limitations it put on the players when all that ever come up is "TEAM BRs" on anything... frankly its a waste of a game and a waste of a map layout.

All anyone uses is the BR in these variants, which is boring, and provides no room for creative customization of fighting style or combat tactics.

i know this is not going to change anything..but the BR should be a pickk up weapon, just like the shotgun, rockets, SL, etc...
You sure don't use the BR very much. 3.4% of your kills are with it. As a comparison, 4.3% of my kills are with the Magnum. I'm all about the headshot and you are all about pressing the melee button, but you should definitely use precision weapons more. If you get good enough with them, they are the weapons that are the most effective against power weapons. The BR isn't that hard. You just take out your opponents shield with something, aim somewhere within 2 feet of the head, and then pray for a lucky spread and that your bullets don't disappear.

I don't blame you for going straight for the Shotgun instead of a BR at the start of a game, cause I die from your type all the time because of bullets and grenades dropping. By the way, Gears of War spawns you with a Shotgun. Maybe that game suits you better.

The most annoying thing of the Halo Series' Default Slayer is getting killed from someone by a mid-range weapon as you spawn with a close range weapon. I'm not really exactly sure how so many people can be against starting with a mid-range weapon. Do you people really like being defenseless when you spawn? The only thing the Halo 3 AR gives you is a fighting chance, but only against bad players and randomly missed bullets.

I don't understand how people can say using the BR is boring. I mean Bungie put in a randomly inconsistent range for this reason. You never know how tight your spread will be. It keeps things interesting.

  • 11.18.2008 8:43 PM PDT

Posted by: ssense
I can out br everyone. tehe, its true!
add me on xbl my gamertag is: sSENSE


Congratulations to you for pulling host every game.

  • 11.19.2008 6:23 AM PDT
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Basicly Carbine takes the Sheild down faster. Br have 4 shot, carbine are good at body hits, Br are more powerful

  • 11.19.2008 7:02 AM PDT

Posted by: TheBigShow
Posted by: Mutoid Log
...a BR that poses no real threat outside of 20 feet?wtf
You have some serious distance estimation issues.


Slight exaggeration for dramatic purpose, but its really not that far off. First off "feet" is a relative term inside of the game world, so a more appropriate term would be "world units," which would then be in reference to some standard in-game unit. However, I simply used "20 feet" to say "the BR has a really short effective range" in a few words.

You may disagree, but lets take a look. Outside of "20 feet" or so, the BR isn't going to be 100% effective (4-shot kill) every time, regardless of how good your aim is. This is due to the spread. Due to the extreme range limitations and slow ROF of the BR, outside of 20 feet or so, the enemy is given ample time to turn and find cover or have their teammates retaliate, even if they made a dumb move. Sure, I may be exaggerating slightly, but not by much.
20 feet is equal to 2 world units, as said in the Weekly Update about the BR. Using Guardian as an example, S2 is 3 world units across (from (s2 to middle door) to (s1 dropoff)). At 20 foot distance, a frag takes 60% from shields, a mauler shot 80% of shields, shotty 70%. The sword can lunge 25 feet.

  • 11.19.2008 9:28 AM PDT

Posted by: Mutoid Log
Posted by: TheBigShow

Slight exaggeration for dramatic purpose, but its really not that far off. First off "feet" is a relative term inside of the game world, so a more appropriate term would be "world units," which would then be in reference to some standard in-game unit. However, I simply used "20 feet" to say "the BR has a really short effective range" in a few words.

You may disagree, but lets take a look. Outside of "20 feet" or so, the BR isn't going to be 100% effective (4-shot kill) every time, regardless of how good your aim is. This is due to the spread. Due to the extreme range limitations and slow ROF of the BR, outside of 20 feet or so, the enemy is given ample time to turn and find cover or have their teammates retaliate, even if they made a dumb move. Sure, I may be exaggerating slightly, but not by much.
20 feet is equal to 2 world units, as said in the Weekly Update about the BR. Using Guardian as an example, S2 is 3 world units across (from (s2 to middle door) to (s1 dropoff)). At 20 foot distance, a frag takes 60% from shields, a mauler shot 80% of shields, shotty 70%. The sword can lunge 25 feet.


Fine, switch "20 feet" with "20 world units" (like I suggested already). The point is still the same. Thanks for displaying your knowledge of feet to world units conversions though.

  • 11.19.2008 10:24 AM PDT

i love the br just the way it is. Thank you bungie!

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The BR is very satisfying to discharge! From the triple shot "feel" to the sound it makes when the rounds fire. It's great!

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Posted by: Panda ping
Basicly Carbine takes the Sheild down faster. Br have 4 shot, carbine are good at body hits, Br are more powerful
br does more body shot damage test this ive already done it carbine beats br in both headshots and body shots there even a video made on this

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you people sicken me you cant say youre good at halo and only be good with a battle rifle you have to be good with everything even a plasma pistol(i got a frenzy with one in a ranked game woot) tod of 40% or more of the same weapon just says you can only use one weapon

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  • 11.19.2008 2:30 PM PDT

elites are awsome
join us or be defeated in battle

can team brs have same percent of showing as team slayer cause they the same except the br

or you guys could make a thread with a vote for team slayer and team brs and make the percent of showing the same as vote results

  • 11.19.2008 2:43 PM PDT

You know what is what, but you don't know what is what, they just strut, what the -blam!-? -Funkagenda

Team BRs is the greatest setting, now i dont ahve to fight with my teamates over who gets the BR in last resort

  • 11.19.2008 5:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: ssense
I can out br everyone. tehe, its true!
add me on xbl my gamertag is: sSENSE
people like this are what takes up a good margin of this forum. No one cares really it just says you basicaly can't use any other weapon even somewhat well



and this is coming from a kid whose tod is a beatdown which most likely means you shoot and melee with the assrifle and shotgun
the ONLY guns that that kid prob sucks at is the hammer and glowstick
but i bet you anything that him and me could beat you with those too
just bc you suck with the br doesnt mean everyone else sucks at the guns you use

  • 11.20.2008 7:43 AM PDT

whether you guys like it or not the br draws the line between good ppl and noobs it doesnt matter if you dont think so its the same thing a santa you still think hes real but that doesnt change the fact hes not
it doesnt matter if you can camp in a corner with a shotgun to get your 45,46 maybe even 47 but theres NO WAY you can ever get to 48 or higher without being good with the br unless you flat out cheated
this is going to be my 4th account to a 50 so dont even give my that bullshiz that i dont know, YOU dont know

now please can we drop this thread

  • 11.20.2008 7:54 AM PDT

Multiplayer Gameplay
Halo:CE------------------Reach--------Halo2-----------------H alo3
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Reach----Halo:CE-----------------ODST-----Halo2---------Halo3

Glad that Halo 3 garbage is dead, thanks to Reach.
Unfreakenbelievable!!

Posted by: YEPitsREAL
whether you guys like it or not the br draws the line between good ppl and noobs it doesnt matter if you dont think so its the same thing a santa you still think hes real but that doesnt change the fact hes not
it doesnt matter if you can camp in a corner with a shotgun to get your 45,46 maybe even 47 but theres NO WAY you can ever get to 48 or higher without being good with the br unless you flat out cheated
this is going to be my 4th account to a 50 so dont even give my that bullshiz that i dont know, YOU dont know

now please can we drop this thread

?? You know, probably about 90% of this thread has nothing to do with what you just said.

Now, the question is can you use a M6D from Halo 1. That is where the skill is. Not some precision weapon that randomly sprays 3 bullets into a headshot. Congrats on your 50s, as if someone really cares. Hope that $200 or whatever you spent on those 4 accounts was worth it. And I bet you probably don't even know that many people experience host disadvantage. Must make winning easier for you.

  • 11.20.2008 8:20 AM PDT
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BR > AR

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You all are casual halo playing noobs if you think there is nothing wrong with the BR, even the game.

The BR has so many flaws its not even funny. Fine, we need to lead our shots to hit an opponent, it takes more aiming skill, cool with me. But WHY lead it like 100 feet and still have them wizz by my enemy's head behind them?

BR spread. Ya, a gun with a scope is unaccurate? good idea. not.

Bullet registration and the refunding of bullets

Fix it, I hate when my bullets dont count when i hit somebody square in the face when they are no shields and they continue to run along safely like nothing happened. Its seriously annoying.

Bullet refunding, basically you get the bullets back in your clip when they have been lost or have disappeared. Yeah, really, Halo is that bad people.

Most of you i wouldn't be surprised don't notice these problems because you aren't as serious about the game as most Professionals/Semi-Professionals on the MLG circuit or anybody that plays MLG customs and has a BR in their hands every second they play halo.
And to see the BR evolve from what was once the loved weapon by everybody in Halo 2 to see it turn to a piece of garbage combined with a trash design of the game engine and online net coding is absolutely rediculous. I hope Bungie finds some sense into fixing their game once all the noobs quit for Gears 2 and other games.

This game now officially takes very little skill because of what Bungie has done to Halo 3
(but still more than Call of Duty :D)




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  • 11.20.2008 12:49 PM PDT
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Posted by: I SuSCo I
You all are casual halo playing noobs if you think there is nothing wrong with the BR, even the game.

There's nothing wrong with being new or playing for fun. But I will say you have to have your head pretty far up your ass if you think inconsistency is a good thing.

The BR has so many flaws its not even funny. Fine, we need to lead our shots to hit an opponent, it takes more aiming skill, cool with me. But WHY lead it like 100 feet and still have them wizz by my enemy's head behind them?
Yeah, the lead can get a bit ridiculous at times. But I think that's more a problem with XBL and latency, not Halo 3.

BR spread. Ya, a gun with a scope is unaccurate? good idea. not.
The BR isn't "unaccurate", it's just occasionally accurate and occasionally inaccurate. Big difference, but still bad.

Bullet registration and the refunding of bullets
Do you really think that that is Halo 3's fault? Sure, the Elite's hitbox is a bit screwy but everything else is latency, not Halo.

Fix it, I hate when my bullets dont count when i hit somebody square in the face when they are no shields and they continue to run along safely like nothing happened. Its seriously annoying.
Seems like latency, not Halo.

Bullet refunding, basically you get the bullets back in your clip when they have been lost or have disappeared. Yeah, really, Halo is that bad people.
If by 'Halo' you mean 'my connection', that statement would be more accurate.

Most of you i wouldn't be surprised don't notice these problems because you aren't as serious about the game as most Professionals/Semi-Professionals on the MLG circuit or anybody that plays MLG customs and has a BR in their hands every second they play halo.
And to see the BR evolve from what was once the loved weapon by everybody in Halo 2 to see it turn to a piece of garbage combined with a trash design of the game engine and online net coding is absolutely rediculous. I hope Bungie finds some sense into fixing their game once all the noobs quit for Gears 2 and other games.

Yeah, because MLG professionals and wannabes are the only people that play this game.

This game now officially takes very little skill because of what Bungie has done to Halo 3
You're probably right, but that's probably why so many people bought it and still play it: Because it's easy.

  • 11.20.2008 12:59 PM PDT

Posted by: Jiggly Luv
Posted by: YEPitsREAL
whether you guys like it or not the br draws the line between good ppl and noobs it doesnt matter if you dont think so its the same thing a santa you still think hes real but that doesnt change the fact hes not
it doesnt matter if you can camp in a corner with a shotgun to get your 45,46 maybe even 47 but theres NO WAY you can ever get to 48 or higher without being good with the br unless you flat out cheated
this is going to be my 4th account to a 50 so dont even give my that bullshiz that i dont know, YOU dont know

now please can we drop this thread

?? You know, probably about 90% of this thread has nothing to do with what you just said.

Now, the question is can you use a M6D from Halo 1. That is where the skill is. Not some precision weapon that randomly sprays 3 bullets into a headshot. Congrats on your 50s, as if someone really cares. Hope that $200 or whatever you spent on those 4 accounts was worth it. And I bet you probably don't even know that many people experience host disadvantage. Must make winning easier for you.



who the fck even cares about halo1???? if your really going to bring up something from 02 or 04 when ever that ancient thing came out then you need to get some counseling for real get a life or a girlfriend
if you want to play it be my guest dont come bringing sht from that game on a br thread thats just stupid
host disadvantage!?! are you fcking calling me a cheater!? if your jealous of ppl with higher levels than you then you take this game too seriously kid, just bc ppl are better than you doesnt mean they cheated i bet you suck so bad at halo that i can out pistol you if you had a br
halo3 is not difficult it takes hardly any skill, if your really going to say i buy 50s just because you have no skill then you need to find a different game like tak and the power of juju or something you cant even get to a 45!! go suck your moms tits some more maybe your halo balls will drop and youll stop being such a btch

  • 11.20.2008 4:03 PM PDT

Posted by: Breezy131
Do you really think that that is Halo 3's fault? Sure, the Elite's hitbox is a bit screwy but everything else is latency, not Halo.
I'm not a networking expert, but I do know that it's possible to make games account for and reduce the effects of latency. Playing Shadowrun over XBL is a dream compared to Halo 3s online play.

Seems like latency, not Halo.

If by 'Halo' you mean 'my connection', that statement would be more accurate.
The bullet registration issues and the reload glitch can even occur during LAN play. It's definitely an issue with Halo.

You're probably right, but that's probably why so many people bought it and still play it: Because it's easy. Hmm, possibly, but I've always assumed that people bought it because of the ridiculous amount of hype and marketing the game received.

  • 11.20.2008 4:03 PM PDT