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Subject: The Only BR Thread

Posted by: YEPitsREAL
who the fck even cares about halo1????
Seriously? Are you actually asking this question?

host disadvantage!?! are you fcking calling me a cheater!? You don't know what host advantage is, do you?

go suck your moms tits some more maybe your halo balls will drop and youll stop being such a btch lol, "Halo balls"...? At any rate, the content of your post, combined with your horrible spelling and grammar, leads me to believe that it is you who needs to grow up.

  • 11.20.2008 4:22 PM PDT

Posted by: Nokterne
You're probably right, but that's probably why so many people bought it and still play it: Because it's easy. Hmm, possibly, but I've always assumed that people bought it because of the ridiculous amount of hype and marketing the game received.


I bought it because I had foolishly hoped that Bungie would learn from their mistakes and make a great game once again. Needless to say, I was disappointed, both in Bungie and myself for my hope, despite all evidence against it.

  • 11.20.2008 4:25 PM PDT
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YEPitsREAL
How thick is your skull?

Posted by: Nokterne
I'm not a networking expert, but I do know that it's possible to make games account for and reduce the effects of latency. Playing Shadowrun over XBL is a dream compared to Halo 3s online play.

Probably... But I haven't played Shadowrun so I don't really know what the difference is.

The bullet registration issues and the reload glitch can even occur during LAN play. It's definitely an issue with Halo.
Yeah, I've seen that, but LAN equipment can still be the source of the problem.

Hmm, possibly, but I've always assumed that people bought it because of the ridiculous amount of hype and marketing the game received.
Well, that's one. Another one is that it had two pretty solid sequels. But people still play it because at some level they get some satisfaction, probably from getting easy kills.

EDIT:

Oh, and Nokterne, when YEPitsREAL decides to reply, you needn't respond. It's obvious he possesses roughly the intelligence of a rock.

[Edited on 11.20.2008 5:11 PM PST]

  • 11.20.2008 5:09 PM PDT

Multiplayer Gameplay
Halo:CE------------------Reach--------Halo2-----------------H alo3
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Reach----Halo:CE-----------------ODST-----Halo2---------Halo3

Glad that Halo 3 garbage is dead, thanks to Reach.
Unfreakenbelievable!!

Posted by: YEPitsREAL

Wow, that hurts. *cries. Just kidding. I don't take things too seriosly, especially when a post includes so little intelligence.

The only responses I have are...
When I say you spent $200 on your accounts, I don't mean you bought your 50s. Accounts DO cost $50 each. When I say others experience a lag disadvantage, I don't mean you cheated. I clearly mean that you don't experience what many others experience. That's not your fault. Sorry if you misunderstood.

In the future, think before you post and try to put some thought into it. And lazyness on the keyboard resulting in bad grammar/spelling can make you seem very immature.

EDIT: Oh, and by the way. I've seen some of your other posts (that hardly ever get replies, since you're such an immature little douche bag). You pretty much say you are a cheater and xmodder, so why do you have a problem with being called a cheater? I really feel sorry for whoever is close to you, that being family, classmates, cooworkers (assuming you're not a drop out or would even get hired), or whoever.

[Edited on 11.21.2008 8:48 PM PST]

  • 11.20.2008 6:13 PM PDT
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The battle rifle isn't that bad, its usable

  • 11.20.2008 7:35 PM PDT

Never Back Down.

I love the BR!Too many people abuse it though :\.

  • 11.20.2008 7:54 PM PDT

I love the BR, people who don't like it are just jealous of its awesomeness

  • 11.20.2008 9:31 PM PDT

Posted by: Jiggly Luv

The only responses I have are...
When I say you spent $200 on your accounts, I don't mean you bought your 50s. Accounts DO cost $50 each.


ok theres things called 1months on your xbox idk if youv heard of them but they are free
i only pay for 2 accounts


Posted by: Jiggly Luv

When I say others experience a lag disadvantage, I don't mean you cheated. I clearly mean that you don't experience what many others experience. That's not your fault. Sorry if you misunderstood.

maybe you should take all that -blam!- off your comp or get a new rouder itll run faster and you will find that you get "host" more often


Posted by: Jiggly Luv

In the future, think before you post and try to put some thought into it. And lazyness on the keyboard resulting in bad grammar/spelling can make you seem very immature.


are you kidding me? this isnt english class guys this is a halo forum, and have you tried weed? i just smoked 7bowls last night. next time i have that much ill let you know and you can smoke it with me and see how funny it is to be a troll

  • 11.21.2008 8:13 AM PDT

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Is it just me or does it require half a clip just to kill one guy now a days? Once I shot a guy who wasn't moving and it still took six shots to kill him.

  • 11.21.2008 10:00 PM PDT

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Unfreakenbelievable!!

Posted by: MrNakedSpaceMan
Is it just me or does it require half a clip just to kill one guy now a days? Once I shot a guy who wasn't moving and it still took six shots to kill him.

It could be YOU depending on how far away you are using the BR from. Most likely not though. Bungie widened the spread, so 4-shotting can only be done at pretty close ranges (assuming you are not lucky since the spread is also random). It takes 11 bullets to deplete the shield before a headshot can occur. Also, keep in mind that there are lag issues that cause bullets to appear like they disappear on your target. So, that could also be why you are frustrated.

Bungie made this new BR design with the intentions of giving AFKs a fighting chance. Just joking. However, they did do it cause the supposed target audience complains about mid-range precision weapons. This new BR allows for people of all skill levels to run away easier when they spawn with the "awesomeness" that the AR gives.
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I used to want a change to the BR, but now I have decided that they should just eliminate the BR completely from MM. All the BR does is frustrate people. Some people don't like its funtionality, and others don't enjoy dieing from it when they spawn. Others think it requires skill, and others think it is "noobish." Why can't we just erase it from the existence of Halo 3. MLG fanboys will disagree, but then again they don't understand that there is also a Magnum that can be just as good if not better for MLG games. Bungie should change the Magnum to a 4-shot, and maybe increase its range a little. I don't even care that it's random and Snipers may be more effective. There's already a CQB playlist on the Optimatch forums trying to get Bungie's attention where they take away all the mid/long range weapons.

Just an idea. Magnum, FTW.

  • 11.21.2008 10:56 PM PDT

Posted by: Jiggly Luv

It could be YOU depending on how far away you are using the BR from. Most likely not though. Bungie widened the spread, so 4-shotting can only be done at pretty close ranges (assuming you are not lucky since the spread is also random). It takes 11 bullets to deplete the shield before a headshot can occur. Also, keep in mind that there are lag issues that cause bullets to appear like they disappear on your target. So, that could also be why you are frustrated.


Ridiculous host advantage and unsatisfactory netcode in my opinion, no attempts have even been made to improve hit registration but lets introduce a meaningless exp ranking system instead YAY.

Bungie made this new BR design with the intentions of giving AFKs a fighting chance. Just joking. However, they did do it cause the supposed target audience complains about mid-range precision weapons. This new BR allows for people of all skill levels to run away easier when they spawn with the "awesomeness" that the AR gives.

The shooting aspect of the game is not that difficult at all, especially just to reach a reasonable level of competence, I see no reason why they feel it necessary to handicap skilled (non-mentally disabled) players to the extent they have done. The AR is way overpowered for its ease of use and makes the game darn frustrating when first shots an auto win, add in the skill-less unavoidable beatdown and its beyond a joke.
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I used to want a change to the BR, but now I have decided that they should just eliminate the BR completely from MM. All the BR does is frustrate people. Some people don't like its funtionality, and others don't enjoy dieing from it when they spawn. Others think it requires skill, and others think it is "noobish." Why can't we just erase it from the existence of Halo 3. MLG fanboys will disagree, but then again they don't understand that there is also a Magnum that can be just as good if not better for MLG games. Bungie should change the Magnum to a 4-shot, and maybe increase its range a little. I don't even care that it's random and Snipers may be more effective. There's already a CQB playlist on the Optimatch forums trying to get Bungie's attention where they take away all the mid/long range weapons.

Just an idea. Magnum, FTW.


4 shot magnum with increased range = single shot BR. This would be the ideal solution. The magnum in my opinion feels a bit awkward in halo 3 and isn't all that satisfying to use. As to spawning and getting killed by the BR its Bungie's lack of balance to blame, spawning with a well rounded mid range weapon is the only way to have a fair chance off spawn in halo 3.

Seriously the games not that hard there's really no need to dumb it down to the extent they have, it's stupidly easy to get kills with a lot of methods now. Whats the ranking system for anyway? Most higher level players hate the dumbed down aspects and the limitations placed on the BR. The lower level players wouldn't even notice anyway.

CQB Playlist? What? Seriously? I don't even know what to say about this. Auto host win campathon, sounds like fun.

Good job i have a decent pc to play counter strike on, a game where you actually have to aim at people when halo turns into a complete beatdown fest.

  • 11.22.2008 8:56 PM PDT

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Unfreakenbelievable!!

Posted by: Prodigy117
CQB Playlist? What? Seriously? I don't even know what to say about this. Auto host win campathon, sounds like fun.

Yeah, I know. I think it'll only work without Power Weapons, which pretty much makes it a Duals game. Power Weapons dominate close-range weapons way too easily, thus a reason why a mid-range weapon should be the main starting weapon.

  • 11.23.2008 12:28 AM PDT

Thank you for wasting 5 seconds of your life to click here and read this!

the BR is awesome

  • 11.23.2008 5:55 AM PDT

Posted by: Jiggly Luv
Posted by: Prodigy117
CQB Playlist? What? Seriously? I don't even know what to say about this. Auto host win campathon, sounds like fun.

Yeah, I know. I think it'll only work without Power Weapons, which pretty much makes it a Duals game. Power Weapons dominate close-range weapons way too easily, thus a reason why a mid-range weapon should be the main starting weapon.
I still don't understand why the BR isn't the main starting weapon. Starting with a useless weapon (ever try killing a guy holding a power weapon while using an AR?) does not make the game balanced, but on the contrary, makes it un-fair and frustrating.

If I had my way, every ranked playlist would have BR starts.

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Posted by: Pk 4 Skillz1
My thoughts:

*The BR was designed with strengths and weaknesses.
*The weaknesses were added in to offset the strengths.
*It takes skill to use the BR like JonnyOThan said.
*The BR is as effective as it was designed to be.
*Bungie DOESNT have to fix the BR because it is the way they want it to be.

So, if you don't like the BR there is one real simple solution.......................Don't Use It
ya i like what he said the BR is fine the way it is if u dont like it it is proboly cause u suck with it so ya go use an AR

  • 11.23.2008 5:16 PM PDT

Posted by: Nokterne
I still don't understand why the BR isn't the main starting weapon. Starting with a useless weapon (ever try killing a guy holding a power weapon while using an AR?) does not make the game balanced, but on the contrary, makes it un-fair and frustrating.

If I had my way, every ranked playlist would have BR starts.
Then there would be no use of an AR even existing. And even still, people would still complain about how they get 4-shotted so easily or how someone can resist being 4-shotted. I think it's prefect the way it is - everyone complaining.

  • 11.23.2008 6:41 PM PDT

Posted by: WANDEROUSTREE
Posted by: Pk 4 Skillz1
My thoughts:

*The BR was designed with strengths and weaknesses.
*The weaknesses were added in to offset the strengths.
*It takes skill to use the BR like JonnyOThan said.
*The BR is as effective as it was designed to be.
*Bungie DOESNT have to fix the BR because it is the way they want it to be.

So, if you don't like the BR there is one real simple solution.......................Don't Use It
ya i like what he said the BR is fine the way it is if u dont like it it is proboly cause u suck with it so ya go use an AR



HA ha I like how people always say this even though its generally the best payers who dislike the BR.

It is not that hard to use:
Auto aim (bullets bend to target)
Reticle Magnetism
No accuracy penalty for rate of fire
Accuracy unaltered when moving, jumping, crouching etc
Random spread makes headshots easy on shieldless players
Random spread also means that luck is involved
Little recoil
Leading required - the skillful aspect
Headshot bonus on shieldless player

Now there's still a skill gap but most players can drop 75-100% shields off the best players so its fairly small.

Now when you look at the AR a level 10 can almost kill a 50 everytime the skill gap is so small, why people consider this a good thing I don't know:
Reticle magnetism
Huge bullet auto aim, all you have to do is aim in a players general direction
Bursting is more accurate but its just a matter of knowing that tapping the trigger is beneficial as the bursts dont need to be timed or precisely aimed
Almost no recoil
No headshot/upper body damage bonus

This minimal skill gap means that any advantage is very significant so when it comes to online play playing off-host is unbearable against any competent player.

Just because Bungie want the game to be a certain way doesn't mean that people cant express their opinions. That is the purpose of the BR thread after all.

  • 11.23.2008 7:17 PM PDT

Posted by: Mr Smiley117
Posted by: Nokterne
I still don't understand why the BR isn't the main starting weapon. Starting with a useless weapon (ever try killing a guy holding a power weapon while using an AR?) does not make the game balanced, but on the contrary, makes it un-fair and frustrating.

If I had my way, every ranked playlist would have BR starts.
Then there would be no use of an AR even existing. And even still, people would still complain about how they get 4-shotted so easily or how someone can resist being 4-shotted. I think it's prefect the way it is - everyone complaining.
How is that different then the way it is now? Currently, you spawn with an AR, and unless you can find a replacement weapon, you get killed by a guy holding a BR or power weapon.

At least you get a fighting chance off the spawn with a BR. And remember, I said in ranked playlists. If kids want to avoid using and getting killed by a weapon that is currently essential to success in this game, and only play with AR starts, they could go play a social playlist.

  • 11.23.2008 8:08 PM PDT

Posted by: Prodigy117

The shooting aspect of the game is not that difficult at all, especially just to reach a reasonable level of competence, I see no reason why they feel it necessary to handicap skilled (non-mentally disabled) players to the extent they have done. The AR is way overpowered for its ease of use and makes the game darn frustrating when first shots an auto win, add in the skill-less unavoidable beatdown and its beyond a joke.


yeah thats what make halo3 so much easier than halo2
all you have to do is know how to run backwards while shooting and not depend on melees and a few games later theres your 50.
the melee is so ridiculous on h3 pretty much if hes on your screen your going to hit him
h2 you actually have to try to hit them and be close to them bc you dont lunge as far as a sword in that game

  • 11.24.2008 3:57 AM PDT

Here is my last and final thought in this thread/on this topic:

I realize that many people are disliking the AR/BR, whatever may be the case. Here is my solution: I LOVE the BR, over any weapon in the game, the BR is my all-time favorite. Although, after watching Pro-MLG players, and many other very good players; I realize that just because you may be extremely well at one weapon, doesn't mean you shouldn't use other weapons.

While playing a BR FFA game on Lone Wolves, I realized, upon the extensive, annoying, and immature readings of this Bungie.net thread, alot of times thrown back at, by the people who are much more intellectual than the immaturity; that you must use a weapon that suits the goal. If an enemy is getting too close, and you WERE using the BR - if you can, switch to a more suitable weapon, to eliminate your opponent.

So, all-in-all, what I am rambling on about is this:

Use a weapon suitable for the situation at hand. Obviously, the BR is much more suited to Middle/Long range shots, and the AR is better suited for a closer battle. Use both! - That is why both are at your disposal at the start of the game.

  • 11.24.2008 6:45 AM PDT

Posted by: Mr Smiley117
Posted by: Nokterne
I still don't understand why the BR isn't the main starting weapon. Starting with a useless weapon (ever try killing a guy holding a power weapon while using an AR?) does not make the game balanced, but on the contrary, makes it un-fair and frustrating.

If I had my way, every ranked playlist would have BR starts.

Then there would be no use of an AR even existing..


Exactly, and that speaks VOLUMES about how poor Bungie's weapon balance actually is. If a common weapon (BR) makes the other weapons obsolete, there's something wrong with the weapon balance. Even in Halo CE, where the pistol was supposedely this overpowered killing machine, every weapon except the needler was used. Each weapon had a role, big or small, and it fit that role and was useful. Sure, you could use the pistol up close, but it was difficult, and very difficult to do well, especially when up against a player using a close range weapon.

The problem with Halo 3 is that the BR is too easy to use, especially up close. The players move and strafe too slowly, and the bullet magnetism and reticle stickiness is too great. Comine that which a melee system where you do even need to look at the enemy to hit them, nad it gets ridiculous pretty fast. It really takes little skill to use the BR up close, so why should a player switch? Generally, a precision weapon, like the BR, should require just that, precision. Instead, the BR has the balancing characteristics of a close-range spam weapon, where the reward isn't high, but neither is the skill requirement.

Additionally, you have about 30 close range weapons that are pretty much all the same, so you have about 29 weapons that become obsolete, and that no one uses. Its a very poor balance, considering the major focus on the weaponry is on close-range spam weapons.

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they give you the weapon like it is.. use it accordingly instead of complaining.. if you dont like it? dont use it? they arent going to change it bc of one person... if its THAT BIG OF A DEAL.. dont play?

  • 11.24.2008 9:04 AM PDT

Posted by: Nokterne


I still don't understand why the BR isn't the main starting weapon. Starting with a useless weapon (ever try killing a guy holding a power weapon while using an AR?) does not make the game balanced, but on the contrary, makes it un-fair and frustrating.


um are you stupid? thats the whole point of the ar
play halo2, there IS no ar, you main starting weapon is a smg.
the ar is so if the other team or ppl have the power weapons you have a much bigger chance to kill them

tha tweaker is right use all the weapons. use what the job calls for, if i getting triple teamed you can bet your *ss ima run around the corner and pick up that shotgun and jump shoot and melee. i personally use every br i can get a hold of unless other guns are needed. but if the only way you can win is by camping in a corner with a glowstick, go for, play the game however you can to make it fun for YOU

  • 11.24.2008 2:22 PM PDT

Posted by: Nokterne
How is that different then the way it is now? Currently, you spawn with an AR, and unless you can find a replacement weapon, you get killed by a guy holding a BR or power weapon.

At least you get a fighting chance off the spawn with a BR. And remember, I said in ranked playlists. If kids want to avoid using and getting killed by a weapon that is currently essential to success in this game, and only play with AR starts, they could go play a social playlist.
Then go to MLG. You start with a BR, everyone has a BR, and you have a fighting chance with a BR.

Seriously people, if they made us start with a BR, it would be MLG all over again -- there would be no need to pick any other weapon (besides a sniper or shotgun), BR is probably one of the strongest guns in the game (if you know how to use it that is), and Bungie wanted to introduce an AR for a reason. Plus, it gives the other team an advantage if the entire other team only has AR's; same goes for your team.

Just think of it as this way -- not ALL people are as good with the BR as some people. So they give them a chance with an AR that just so happens to take no skill in to shoot. If you wanted a BR, you can just pick it up. You guys maybe good with the BR, but can you say that to someone with no skill with a BR? It actually takes skill to use a BR, and some people just don't have it. Me personally I love the BR; ever since H2. I veto every game, except BRs, if I can't find a BR I kill with my AR (or other weapon), and if we do happen to play ARs I just pick up a BR - that plain and simple.

  • 11.24.2008 3:37 PM PDT