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Subject: The Only BR Thread

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Unfreakenbelievable!!

Posted by: Mr Smiley117
Then go to MLG. You start with a BR, everyone has a BR, and you have a fighting chance with a BR.
And the balance and gameplay is better. Default Slayer is frustrating and a game of weapon advantage.

Seriously people, if they made us start with a BR, it would be MLG all over again -- there would be no need to pick any other weapon (besides a sniper or shotgun), BR is probably one of the strongest guns in the game (if you know how to use it that is), and Bungie wanted to introduce an AR for a reason. Plus, it gives the other team an advantage if the entire other team only has AR's; same goes for your team.
Yet, the game with BR starts would allow everyone to go right into battle as they spawn. Kinda like many other less frustrating games like COD and Gears. Not really sure how that takes away from gameplay and fun. I actually think a team full of Magnum users are stronger than a team full of AR users, well if they know how to aim at the head. Now, I'm actually fine with a Magnum secondary starts since it has a headshot bonus, which actually requires skill, that can be effective against power weapons. However, it just lacks range for no reason at all. If Bungie was to fix one thing in there update, not being a BR fix, then it should be increasing the range of the Magnum.

Just think of it as this way -- not ALL people are as good with the BR as some people. So they give them a chance with an AR that just so happens to take no skill in to shoot. If you wanted a BR, you can just pick it up. You guys maybe good with the BR, but can you say that to someone with no skill with a BR? It actually takes skill to use a BR, and some people just don't have it. Me personally I love the BR; ever since H2. I veto every game, except BRs, if I can't find a BR I kill with my AR (or other weapon), and if we do happen to play ARs I just pick up a BR - that plain and simple.
If this is the case, which it most likely is, then they should just remove the BR from AR/Magnum starts. They shouldn't punish people even more by allowing those who go straight for the BR to spawn kill and destroy those with close-range weapons. Killing people with a weapon advantage, which the BR has over the AR, is unskillful and adds frustration. BR starts decrease the amount of weapon advantage involved, thus a better balance. Sure, some people can't use a BR, but Trueskill is there for reason, to match up those of equal skill. Just my opinion, but I have played all the Halos since the first one's release, and have found Halo 1's gameplay (with Magnum starts) the most enjoyable (to me).

  • 11.24.2008 6:08 PM PDT

Posted by: Mr Smiley117
Then go to MLG. You start with a BR, everyone has a BR, and you have a fighting chance with a BR.

Seriously people, if they made us start with a BR, it would be MLG all over again -- there would be no need to pick any other weapon (besides a sniper or shotgun), BR is probably one of the strongest guns in the game (if you know how to use it that is), and Bungie wanted to introduce an AR for a reason. Plus, it gives the other team an advantage if the entire other team only has AR's; same goes for your team.

Just think of it as this way -- not ALL people are as good with the BR as some people. So they give them a chance with an AR that just so happens to take no skill in to shoot. If you wanted a BR, you can just pick it up. You guys maybe good with the BR, but can you say that to someone with no skill with a BR? It actually takes skill to use a BR, and some people just don't have it. Me personally I love the BR; ever since H2. I veto every game, except BRs, if I can't find a BR I kill with my AR (or other weapon), and if we do happen to play ARs I just pick up a BR - that plain and simple.


The concept of MLG's great however I find it unbearable online for several reasons:

1. The increased speed exacerbates the netcode flaws and means that ridiculous leading for lag is required to land your shots. Its also very hard to tell if your shots are registering when the bullets are not actually hitting the target on your screen but passing infront of them. On top of that there is a different host nearly every single game so you have to adjust to each new host every game meaning you can never really get used to where to aim.

2. The low population tends to result in bad hosts regularly (I often get games where most players are yellow bar for large parts of the game, this rarely happens in other playlists)

3. Most players who play MLG are competent with the BR which it isn't all that hard to be, this means that BR fights often come down to host/connection to host, being from the UK I always have a high ping to US hosts (the majority of hosts).

4. BR fights are usually almost always won by a slim margin so those 1-2 bullets (can be a lot more) that miss on the hosts screen or just don't exist make all the difference and as everything centres around BR fights losing one can have a huge influence on the outcome of the game especially if that BR fight was over power weapon control, the result of that one lost fight is a 2 kill advantage and a power weapon, thats huge.

5. When it comes to melees in MLG its 2 BR shots for a 1 hit kill. Often as you turn a corner and see your opponent you shoot straight away as does your opponent, often for me my opponents 2 shots register before mine and they beat me down even though it appears that both my shots hit and I melee'd.

6. Another common occurence playing off-host in MLG is that I will be up in a BR fight and then my opponent will suddenly lunge beatdown me from a huge distance then suddenly re-appear where they were before however I now have no shields and they finish me off. Huge lunge beatdowns with mauler are also a problem. Again the extra distance is caused by the increased speed which means that opponents appear further away than they are according to the host because the distance they can move in the ping time compared to regular speed is greater.

As to BR starts becoming MLG thats quite far from the truth, whenever I play team BRs people use most weapons on the map. I myself use sniper, carbine, rockets, laser, AR, smg, plasma rifle, mauler, shotgun, hammer, sword, brute shot, plasma pistol on a regular basis.

The BR doesnt take extreme amounts of skill to be reasonable with, its not a specialist weapon by any means it takes a moderate amount of skill to use.

[Edited on 11.25.2008 3:36 AM PST]

  • 11.25.2008 3:34 AM PDT
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Posted by: YEPitsREAL
Posted by: Shadow Wolf7347
Posted by: ssense
I can out br everyone. tehe, its true!
add me on xbl my gamertag is: sSENSE
people like this are what takes up a good margin of this forum. No one cares really it just says you basicaly can't use any other weapon even somewhat well



and this is coming from a kid whose tod is a beatdown which most likely means you shoot and melee with the assrifle and shotgun
the ONLY guns that that kid prob sucks at is the hammer and glowstick
but i bet you anything that him and me could beat you with those too
just bc you suck with the br doesnt mean everyone else sucks at the guns you use
i have more brs kills than u moron......... wow horrid insult

  • 11.25.2008 4:17 PM PDT
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Posted by: YEPitsREAL
whether you guys like it or not the br draws the line between good ppl and noobs it doesnt matter if you dont think so its the same thing a santa you still think hes real but that doesnt change the fact hes not
it doesnt matter if you can camp in a corner with a shotgun to get your 45,46 maybe even 47 but theres NO WAY you can ever get to 48 or higher without being good with the br unless you flat out cheated
this is going to be my 4th account to a 50 so dont even give my that bullshiz that i dont know, YOU dont know

now please can we drop this thread
rofl kid you evedintly dont know that much then i expect your 50s are ts or doubles . i have a 50 that i got by shottie camping in lonewolves and in objective by just running at them like an idiot with an ar

[Edited on 11.25.2008 4:23 PM PST]

  • 11.25.2008 4:23 PM PDT
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The Br is the best weapon in the game. Its accurate and its rate of fire is just right. it gives you a fighting chance against those snipers out there.

  • 11.26.2008 4:50 AM PDT

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Posted by: Breezy131
Too many idiots have been agreeing with this post for me to not dissect it nice and neat.

Posted by: Pk 4 Skillz1
*The BR was designed with strengths and weaknesses.

Its weaknesses, among other things, include little to no consistency and an optimal range less than the distance you can throw grenades.

*The weaknesses were added in to offset the strengths.
What strengths? The Sniper Rifle beats it medium and long range and the Assault Rifle beats it close range. It's only useful when coupled with a grenade or against an unshielded opponent.

*It takes skill to use the BR like JonnyOThan said.
Relative to what? It's easy to get a headshot with and within its optimal range the auto-aim helps the player out a lot. The only situation in which it's difficult to use is long range, but that's outside the range at which the Battle Rifle functions properly so there's no point.

*The BR is as effective as it was designed to be.
I guess consistency is overrated, then.

*Bungie DOESNT have to fix the BR because it is the way they want it to be.
No they don't but I swear to god making things act predictably isn't a bad thing. The Assault Rifle, Plasma Rifle, and SMG can be fired in such a way that their bursts and random tendencies are mitigated; why not the Battle Rifle?

So, if you don't like the BR there is one real simple solution.......................Don't Use It
Yeah, because without a reliable alternative like the Sniper Rifle, I'm really going to march across a map - any map, it doesn't have to be big - with a gun that has a practical range of about five feet.


In, the 'idiots' who agreed with me, defence I would like to say they are not idiots just because they do not share the same view as you on the BR. But in my defence my post was relevant to the subject and it is merely an opinion (obviously an opinion you don't agree with) and is not meant to be offensive, biased, etc., etc. in any way. So, I am sorry you disagree with me except for the "solution" part of my post, but we can't agree on everything can we?

[Edited on 11.27.2008 5:12 AM PST]

  • 11.27.2008 5:10 AM PDT
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Posted by: Pk 4 Skillz1
In, the 'idiots' who agreed with me, defence I would like to say they are not idiots just because they do not share the same view as you on the BR.

No, I never said they were idiots just because they disagreed with me. I was saying that they were morons for supporting such illogical beliefs. If they had good reasons why the BR shouldn't be changed I wouldn't call them so, but they apparently don't.

But in my defence my post was relevant to the subject and it is merely an opinion (obviously an opinion you don't agree with) and is not meant to be offensive, biased, etc., etc. in any way.
In defense of my post, I was only expressing why why your arguments were so terrible.

So, I am sorry you disagree with me except for the "solution" part of my post, but we can't agree on everything can we?
No, we can't.

  • 11.27.2008 9:00 AM PDT

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Posted by: Breezy131
Posted by: Pk 4 Skillz1
In, the 'idiots' who agreed with me, defence I would like to say they are not idiots just because they do not share the same view as you on the BR.

No, I never said they were idiots just because they disagreed with me. I was saying that they were morons for supporting such illogical beliefs. If they had good reasons why the BR shouldn't be changed I wouldn't call them so, but they apparently don't.

But in my defence my post was relevant to the subject and it is merely an opinion (obviously an opinion you don't agree with) and is not meant to be offensive, biased, etc., etc. in any way.
In defense of my post, I was only expressing why why your arguments were so terrible.

So, I am sorry you disagree with me except for the "solution" part of my post, but we can't agree on everything can we?
No, we can't.


They weren't arguments, I realize they went into no depth etc. etc. As I said earlier We can't agree on everything can we?

  • 11.27.2008 9:05 AM PDT
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PK 4 SKILLZ1
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BREEZY

SHUT THE GOD DAMN MOTHER -blam!- UP, YOU GUYS CANT AGREE SO SHUT THE MOTHER -blam!- UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 11.27.2008 9:07 AM PDT
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Hey I am typing in GREEN text this is coolllllllllllll

  • 11.27.2008 9:10 AM PDT
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Posted by: Breezy131
Posted by: Pk 4 Skillz1
In, the 'idiots' who agreed with me, defence I would like to say they are not idiots just because they do not share the same view as you on the BR.

No, I never said they were idiots just because they disagreed with me. I was saying that they were morons for supporting such illogical beliefs. If they had good reasons why the BR shouldn't be changed I wouldn't call them so, but they apparently don't.

But in my defence my post was relevant to the subject and it is merely an opinion (obviously an opinion you don't agree with) and is not meant to be offensive, biased, etc., etc. in any way.
In defense of my post, I was only expressing why why your arguments were so terrible.

So, I am sorry you disagree with me except for the "solution" part of my post, but we can't agree on everything can we?
No, we can't.
wow still complaining breezy find somthing better to do instead of glaring at these forum pages all day

  • 11.27.2008 11:11 AM PDT
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Posted by: Shadow Wolf7347
wow still complaining breezy find somthing better to do instead of glaring at these forum pages all day

What are doing, stalking this thread? Maybe you should find something better to do.

  • 11.27.2008 11:32 AM PDT
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wow im suprised i slagged off the br at an earlier date and no one actually flamed me how funny there usually is one person who GLARES at every page to find a tiny thing to pick up and moan at and i got away from that! haha i win again TO THE SPORK CAVE!

  • 11.27.2008 12:49 PM PDT
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yeah BR's are great i think they work out for me pretty good!...something i use is i get a BR on standoff and go off to a dark spot and scope or with them and kill them...i steal alot of peoples kills that way sometimes aswell so be careful how much u steal there kill they will start yelling at u and all this crap trust me haha!!! well thats it i guess lol...Amped1337 is my gamertag so u can add meh im on quite a bit =p

  • 11.27.2008 2:25 PM PDT
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BR <3
The BR is good as it is,it is the AR that needs fixing,perhaps make it not available ever?

  • 11.27.2008 2:46 PM PDT
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I love the Battle Rifle in Halo 3. It fits well with the gameplay. The only thing I disagree with is the games were you don't spawn with it.

  • 11.27.2008 9:28 PM PDT
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this breezy kids like stalking me it'd be best if no one ever replies to him again he needs to get a life -.-

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Posted by: Breezy131
Posted by: Shadow Wolf7347
wow still complaining breezy find somthing better to do instead of glaring at these forum pages all day

What are doing, stalking this thread? Maybe you should find something better to do.
rofl loser nice way to reword what i tell you. oh wait thats been your only comeback to anything i ever tell you get some better material/a life

  • 11.27.2008 9:55 PM PDT

Posted by: Shadow Wolf7347
Posted by: Breezy131
Posted by: Shadow Wolf7347
wow still complaining breezy find somthing better to do instead of glaring at these forum pages all day

What are doing, stalking this thread? Maybe you should find something better to do.
rofl loser nice way to reword what i tell you. oh wait thats been your only comeback to anything i ever tell you get some better material/a life

Um guys I am amazed on how fast threads can get off topic. So lets get back on topic. I love the BR, favorite gun in Halo.



**MBT Knights MBT**

  • 11.28.2008 6:07 AM PDT

Posted by: Shadow Wolf7347
rofl loser nice way to reword what i tell you. oh wait thats been your only comeback to anything i ever tell you get some better material/a life
Why are you still posting here?

  • 11.28.2008 10:29 AM PDT

Merry Christmas douche bags

totally, i love the BR so much, ive come to realize recently that i do better overall if i stick to the BR and ignore all the power weapons such as the sniper rifle, and rockets. I VETO ANYTHING THATS NOT TEAM BRs

  • 11.28.2008 1:10 PM PDT
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Posted by: Nokterne
Posted by: Shadow Wolf7347
rofl loser nice way to reword what i tell you. oh wait thats been your only comeback to anything i ever tell you get some better material/a life
Why are you still posting here?
why is that any of your business? I have every right to post here as you do?

  • 11.28.2008 2:13 PM PDT
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<("<) u (>")>

why does some BR seem like it has a higher rate of fire than other br?

  • 11.28.2008 5:51 PM PDT
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Please check out the maps on my fileshare

The BR is the most ballanced weapon there is in Halo 3. It owns the AR. and it can take out anything really.

Use a BR! lol =)

  • 11.28.2008 7:01 PM PDT
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This is my weapon if I cant get a sniper or shotgun I love it though for long range.

I got triple kill on Valhalla shotting the enemy base. Pretty sweet

  • 11.29.2008 5:57 AM PDT