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The BR is simply the best weapon in Halo 3

  • 12.08.2008 5:36 PM PDT

- FSC Nightmare

Posted by: Achronos
Due to the incessant amount of spam and repeat posting about the topic of the design of the Battle Rifle in Halo 3, all threads about it will be locked on sight and the author warned (then banned if they keep doing it). Please discuss the BR and your thoughts in this thread and this thread alone.

For reference, Bungie's response to all comments and complaints about the design of the Battle Rifle can be found in the weekly update for June 20th, 2008.

People expecting further Bungie responses on the issue are likely to be disappointed.



I like the BR exactly how it is, it is ballanced and it has certain charictaristics that make Halo a "sport".

  • 12.08.2008 5:55 PM PDT

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Posted by: FSC Nightmare
I like the BR exactly how it is, it is ballanced and it has certain charictaristics that make Halo a "sport".

pokey begs to differ: does that mean say... the deser eagle(?) in CoD4 make that a 'sport'?
i do see where you're coming from, but it just makes more competition, which doesn't necessarily make it one.
technically speaking, you're kinda right though.
i just disagree that it's only the one gun that does.

  • 12.09.2008 1:01 PM PDT

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Posted by: SCOTTY OWNS U
For People Whining:

Ok, if you people actually read the entire Weekly Update you would Realize that there is a good reason for Bungie not taking your suggestions and changing back the BR. In Halo 2 the Battle Riffle Would beat out every weapon, because it is good at close range, medium range
and long range. In halo 3 the design team wanted it to be fair, because it was realized in Halo 2 that it is too good. So for halo 3 they wanted things more balanced (in my opinion). So they Gave it less power at long and short range, making it the still the best medium range weapon (my opinion).

This is What I think you should do:

For all of the people that whining they probably want the Halo 2 BR back. And those people who are whining about wanting the Halo 2 BR had to get used to the Halo 2 BR by Playing Halo 2? And Halo 2 and Halo 3 are two Different Games within the same series. You if you are Whining 7bout the BR it is your fault for switching to a new game. If you want the halo 2 BR than play halo 2. It is that simple. And Different games are meant to be different, so they will have differences, the changes in the Battle Riffle are just one of the many changes between the games in the Halo Series. And like any other new game you start playing, you aren't going to be the best at it when you start, so you just have to play Halo 3 with the Battle Riffle at Medium Range the way it is meant to be used in HALO 3, not the way it was used in halo 2. Also like in any other new game you start to play, you have to play and practice to get good at it. The same thing goes for the BR. So just get used to it and practice with it at medium range the way it it said the be used at.

Shorter Version for the People that Still Don't Understand:

The people whining got used to the halo 2 br when they played halo 2 so just get used to the halo 3 br now that you know how to use it. You guys are practically blaming Bungie for making a weapon in the game you play.

Another Argument

They people whining / complaining usually claim to be MLG. If they are MLG they should be able to get a kill with almost any weapon nonetheless. So they should also be able to get a kill with the halo 3 BR. So you are just another poser if you claim to be MLG and are still whining about the halo 3 BR because you cant get a kill with it even though you claim to be MLG.

Another Argument:

Most of the people that also whine about wanting the Halo 2 BR back also say "Bungie Never Takes Suggestions?" Haven't anybody read the Code of Conduct : You have no rights, Play nice. Theres one point of this. But Bungie actually does take suggestions such as. The melee glitch, Griffball Double Exp Weekends, Team Snipers Double Exp Weekends, Bungie.Net Avatars, Bungie.net User Skins, Bungie.net Themes. And many more things that Bungie gets from suggestions.. You guys are too busy wanting an "Ulimate Weapon". Think about that... Now that you know the facts behind the Halo 2 Br you know it is good at any range making it unbeatable. Think of Bungie's Point of View, Somebody is saying. "Can we have the Halo 2 Br back so we can an unbeatable weapon??" Think about it. Now don't tell me that it sounds a little stupid. And Yes They do take suggestions.

Posted by: Timtaztix
I don't want the BR to be accurate I want it to be consistent. Sometimes it shoots differently than an opponent's, and this makes luck a factor. Halo 3 should be about skill, not luck. Don't flame me until you've read everything.

Bungie's excuse for not "fixing" the BR is that they don't want the BR to become the all-powerful Godly weapon that it was in Halo 2.

The BR in Halo 2 was Godly because:
-Button combos
-Tight spread
-The BR was a hitscan weapon
-The BR was extremely consistent

In Halo 3, there are no button combos, there is a huge spread, it is inconsistent, and it is not a hitscan weapon. Obviously, the BR is a lot less effective now than it was in Halo 2.

Bungie apparently thinks that we request the BR to be returned to its former state from Halo 2. No Bungie, not at all. You have misunderstood what the main problem is.

The BR is ridiculously inconsistent

Leave the spread as is, just take away the random tendencies! The problem is that sometimes my BR has an accurate burst, and sometimes it has an inaccurate burst. What if I'm in a 1-on-1 BR fight, and my BR shoots randomly wider and his shoots randomly tighter. My opponent will win the fight not because of his aiming skills, but because his shot more accurately than mine. Even though my reticule was on his head, and his was on mine, I lose the fight because of the random tendencies.

So, in conclusion, I suggest that Bungie removes the random tendencies of the BR's burst. This means that:

-It will still have a wide spread
-It will still not be a hitscan weapon (You must still lead shots)
-Still no button combos
-Consistent! This is the only change...making the burst consistent. This way, the only advantage one player will have over another is skill. Luck should not be a factor in a competitive game.

This way the BR is still not accurate enough to snipe, and not accurate enough to guarantee a perfect 4-shot every time...but it will remain this way for everyone and not just the lucky will win.

If everyone's BR performs the same, every time, even if the spread isn't perfect, it is a balanced weapon. Right now the winner of a BR fight depends on lucky spread, and I want the winner to rely on skill. Not luck.

Post here if you agree with me, and be mature about it. No flaming unless you've read the entire post.


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Argument:

In this statement the OP has all of the Halo 2 facts completely correct. But think about it, Yes, it is was completely consistent. And if that is what you are asking for in halo 3 then it would still be the Ultimate weapon. Think about it. What other weapon is completely consistent in Halo 3 Besides the Spartan Laser and Sniper Riffle (Said by Luke)? AR Bullets Fly everywhere. Needlers fly off anywhere, Rockets can be shot off by an explosion, Spikers don't lock on, Shotguns shoot multiple bullets. I really cannot think of another weapon that is completely consistent in hitting all of its shots. I also Think you may be exaggerating when you say ridiculously because if I am correct on my math and I read the many math equations correctly by JonnyOthan then only one one the 3 bullets is going to be inaccurate out of the three. You also talk about a 1 vs 1 BR duel. Think about this situation too. Once again if I am correct on reading the math equations then one out of the three bullets will not hit. So if you think about that there is a 66.7% (Rounded) change that it will be accurate and a 34.3% chance that one bullet out of the 3 will miss. That is not even a 50% chance! Which brings me to the Final facts of this argument that Only two weapons (that I'm 100% sure on) are 100% accurate. So why should the BR? This question brings us the Real Life Sniper vs the Real Life Battle Riffle. In Real life not every BR weapon is going to hit the exact target. A real life Sniper bullet will hit the exact target. So that equation is correct. So what is so what is so bad about a 34.3% chance of having 1 bullet miss when almost every other weapon will do the same or worse. The last thing in this argument, in a 1 on 1 br duel you will most likley to have the same outcome for both players.

(I know I probably got some facts wrong in there but C'mon you gotta admit that is had to argue against!)


Please Don't spam me telling me I don't know what I'm saying.

This is just my opinion on you should look at the BR changes from Halo 2 to Halo 3.


AND. That was just for the People WHINING. Honestly I like the Halo 3 BR better tahn the H2 one.

I know others have my same opinion, My top posts were for Whiners not people with my opinion.



What do you think of my opinion?

And if I have any facts wrong please tell me and I shall fix.

Discuss nicley...


READ MY ENTIRE POST, I'm not complaining.

I am not complaining, I am telling people that do complain how to deal with it and some facts and opinions behind it.
I agree all the way

  • 12.09.2008 5:49 PM PDT
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Everyone! The BR is so perfect. So much better than it was in Halo 2. I think its the best weapon on the game. We need more BR!

  • 12.10.2008 10:31 AM PDT

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BEST WEAPON EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

  • 12.10.2008 4:17 PM PDT

The next person to assume I am talking about ranked, do us all a favor and look at what I play!

Posted by: Mr Krowly
J*^@#s C@(*!t people the BR is a good, solid rifle, it only takes 3 bodyshots and a headshot 2 kill some1. At first if your a noob yea stick w/ the ar but 4 real pro's w/ skill use the BR because it has a good range,power, and rate-of-fire which seems 2 b the main complaint but once u have the fire rythm down along w/ some good strafing tactics it'll yield a much hiegher k/d 9kill death) ratio then b4. Just practice on team slayer.


The above statement was written by an 8 year halo snob. The AR can be for good people too, it just takes a diferent type of skill such as positioning and fast thinking. With the AR, you don't have time to get your sheilds back and plan. It is all win or die in AR combat..

  • 12.10.2008 5:36 PM PDT
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Murkin at Halo for 3 PROUD Yearzz babbbby!!!!

Omg people if u think the BR is fine as it is, u should quit halo 3 ur the kids that camp behind a wall with shot guns in Team Snipers. They messed it up in the since halo is not so competitive and kids well hate this post saying blah blah blah i camp with Ar . They changed the game so much for bad kids that could not play H2 and i say these because they tried to make the game easier to play for new comers but what they should have done is think about the competitive kids for mlg and other gaming sites like that but they didn't that's y there trying so hard to keep as all happy with new maps and even worse remakes thank god bungie. Ur bad at making games u pretty much got lucky with H2 since the thing that made that game where the glitch's so if u like the Br how it is ur probably a bad social kid that hopes they have a general on there team to carry them.

  • 12.10.2008 10:16 PM PDT

Posted by: Cptvudu
Omg people if u think the BR is fine as it is, u should quit halo 3 ur the kids that camp behind a wall with shot guns in Team Snipers. They messed it up in the since halo is not so competitive and kids well hate this post saying blah blah blah i camp with Ar . They changed the game so much for bad kids that could not play H2 and i say these because they tried to make the game easier to play for new comers but what they should have done is think about the competitive kids for mlg and other gaming sites like that but they didn't that's y there trying so hard to keep as all happy with new maps and even worse remakes thank god bungie. Ur bad at making games u pretty much got lucky with H2 since the thing that made that game where the glitch's so if u like the Br how it is ur probably a bad social kid that hopes they have a general on there team to carry them.


Way to not read anything anyone has to say and sound like an idiot. Congrats

  • 12.11.2008 1:21 AM PDT

風 Swift as the wind
林 Quiet as the forest
火 Conquer like the fire
山 Steady as the mountain

I have a funny story for BR lovers out there. I was playing Team BR's one day on Valhalla and something interesting happened. This guy thought he was going to be a complete badass with a BR and tried to take me down with a headshot, the only problem for him was I had a sniper rifle and picked him off with complete ease. The lesson of the story is the BR doesn't make you unstoppable. Weapons that prove this in my experience Sniper Rifle, Rocket Launcher, Spartan Laser, Energy Sword, Grav Hammer, and last but not least the Shotgun all easily beat the BR. It is a mid-range weapon, not close or long-range.

[Edited on 12.11.2008 5:49 PM PST]

  • 12.11.2008 5:48 PM PDT

BR? BR? BR? BR? BR? BR? BR? BR? BR? BR? BR?

gimmie mine now plox!

  • 12.11.2008 7:08 PM PDT

風 Swift as the wind
林 Quiet as the forest
火 Conquer like the fire
山 Steady as the mountain

In my opinion it seems like the only reason people like the BR is because it is what MLG likes, and instead of thinking for themselves they go along with it by spamming the board with things like "OMG THE BR IS TH3 BEST WEAPON EVER!!!!" The point is that all weapons are good in the right hands and in the right instances and no one weapon is above anything else. And if you want to flame me because you cannot handle other people's opinions then go ahead because in the end the words mean nothing. BTW sorry for the wall of text.

  • 12.11.2008 8:07 PM PDT

Posted by: RoninX136
The point is that all weapons are good in the right hands and in the right instances and no one weapon is above anything else.
You say this, but I bet you rush for the power weapons just like everyone else does. I don't see anyone fighting to get plasma rifles, plasma pistols, smgs, spikers, needlers, or magnums...

BTW sorry for the wall of text.lulz

  • 12.11.2008 11:27 PM PDT

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I believe that the BR is just fine, pro gamers use it because of the sole reason that it takes skill to use, 4 shots can kill a person if aimed right, if aimed wrong it can take double to triple times that long and an enemy could have easily killed you by then.

[Edited on 12.12.2008 12:00 AM PST]

  • 12.11.2008 11:53 PM PDT

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By the way, if anyone happened to see my earlier post, sorry ':D, I have like 3 windows open and am currently posting on all of them so I get confused about my topic XD.

  • 12.12.2008 12:01 AM PDT

Multiplayer Gameplay
Halo:CE------------------Reach--------Halo2-----------------H alo3
Campaign Experience
Reach----Halo:CE-----------------ODST-----Halo2---------Halo3

Glad that Halo 3 garbage is dead, thanks to Reach.
Unfreakenbelievable!!

Posted by: RoninX136
In my opinion it seems like the only reason people like the BR is because it is what MLG likes, and instead of thinking for themselves they go along with it by spamming the board with things like "OMG THE BR IS TH3 BEST WEAPON EVER!!!!" The point is that all weapons are good in the right hands and in the right instances and no one weapon is above anything else. And if you want to flame me because you cannot handle other people's opinions then go ahead because in the end the words mean nothing. BTW sorry for the wall of text.

Do I sense some tension towards "BR IZ L33T" type people?

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I really didn't want to reply, and I do respect your opinion, but it's actually the other way around. People like the MLG settings and gameplay, because they like the BR (Not people like the BR, because of MLG). They don't watch a MLG match, and then all of a sudden go and buy Halo or start using only the BR. They are introduced to liking the BR before ever knowing what MLG is (BTW, Halo 1 and the Pistol made MLG. Not the BR.)

I do think it is a little immature for people to make posts like "BR IZ BEST WEAPON EVER," as you probably would agree, but that's kind of the type of people you have to deal with on Bungie.net even though the game is rated M, for Mature. Think of it like this...they are pretty much saying what their favorite weapon is, similar to how you would for your favorite sports team (Ex: ________ is the best team ever). Although I don't go around making myself sound like an idiot, Magnum is by far my most favorite weapon to use, and, unfortunately, is the only reason why I would consider playing Halo 3.

People like the BR, because of various reasons. It gets easy kills (when coupled with a grenade or another weapon that drops shields fast), it has range (although a very small one), and it requires timing and precision so they feel more skillful. Since the BR has a headshot bonus, it is very useful against Power weapon wielders. That's what I came up with, but I could name more reasons why people dislike the BR.

MLG actually likes the Pistol from Halo 1, but they have to use what is given to them, and the BR is the best they get. I won't get into MLG and their settings, because I can tell that you're a "hater" and most likely won't understand, and that topic usually starts a huge debate.

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  • 12.12.2008 12:33 AM PDT

風 Swift as the wind
林 Quiet as the forest
火 Conquer like the fire
山 Steady as the mountain

Posted by: Nokterne
Posted by: RoninX136
The point is that all weapons are good in the right hands and in the right instances and no one weapon is above anything else.
You say this, but I bet you rush for the power weapons just like everyone else does. I don't see anyone fighting to get plasma rifles, plasma pistols, smgs, spikers, needlers, or magnums...

BTW sorry for the wall of text.lulz


Honestly no I don't rush for power weapons like anyone else. I fight for a while then I pick what weapons I want to fit the situation of the battle. And if I take down someone that has a power weapon then I will claim it, instead of fighting to pick it up where it spawns.

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Posted by: RoninX136
In my opinion it seems like the only reason people like the BR is because it is what MLG likes, and instead of thinking for themselves they go along with it by spamming the board with things like "OMG THE BR IS TH3 BEST WEAPON EVER!!!!" The point is that all weapons are good in the right hands and in the right instances and no one weapon is above anything else. And if you want to flame me because you cannot handle other people's opinions then go ahead because in the end the words mean nothing. BTW sorry for the wall of text.



LOL,, What???

  • 12.12.2008 9:56 AM PDT
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i think it is unbalanced and more than 1 weapon should be able to counter it at medium to long range

  • 12.12.2008 10:00 AM PDT

the BR is the perfect weapon, does good damage and is extremely versitile

  • 12.12.2008 2:04 PM PDT

Posted by: Galactic Doom
[quote]Posted by: SCOTTY OWNS U
For People Whining:

Ok, if you people actually read the entire Weekly Update you would Realize that there is a good reason for Bungie not taking your suggestions and changing back the BR. In Halo 2 the Battle Riffle Would beat out every weapon, because it is good at close range, medium range
and long range. In halo 3 the design team wanted it to be fair, because it was realized in Halo 2 that it is too good. So for halo 3 they wanted things more balanced (in my opinion). So they Gave it less power at long and short range, making it the still the best medium range weapon (my opinion).

This is What I think you should do:

For all of the people that whining they probably want the Halo 2 BR back. And those people who are whining about wanting the Halo 2 BR had to get used to the Halo 2 BR by Playing Halo 2? And Halo 2 and Halo 3 are two Different Games within the same series. You if you are Whining 7bout the BR it is your fault for switching to a new game. If you want the halo 2 BR than play halo 2. It is that simple. And Different games are meant to be different, so they will have differences, the changes in the Battle Riffle are just one of the many changes between the games in the Halo Series. And like any other new game you start playing, you aren't going to be the best at it when you start, so you just have to play Halo 3 with the Battle Riffle at Medium Range the way it is meant to be used in HALO 3, not the way it was used in halo 2. Also like in any other new game you start to play, you have to play and practice to get good at it. The same thing goes for the BR. So just get used to it and practice with it at medium range the way it it said the be used at.

Shorter Version for the People that Still Don't Understand:

The people whining got used to the halo 2 br when they played halo 2 so just get used to the halo 3 br now that you know how to use it. You guys are practically blaming Bungie for making a weapon in the game you play.

Another Argument

They people whining / complaining usually claim to be MLG. If they are MLG they should be able to get a kill with almost any weapon nonetheless. So they should also be able to get a kill with the halo 3 BR. So you are just another poser if you claim to be MLG and are still whining about the halo 3 BR because you cant get a kill with it even though you claim to be MLG.

Another Argument:

Most of the people that also whine about wanting the Halo 2 BR back also say "Bungie Never Takes Suggestions?" Haven't anybody read the Code of Conduct : You have no rights, Play nice. Theres one point of this. But Bungie actually does take suggestions such as. The melee glitch, Griffball Double Exp Weekends, Team Snipers Double Exp Weekends, Bungie.Net Avatars, Bungie.net User Skins, Bungie.net Themes. And many more things that Bungie gets from suggestions.. You guys are too busy wanting an "Ulimate Weapon". Think about that... Now that you know the facts behind the Halo 2 Br you know it is good at any range making it unbeatable. Think of Bungie's Point of View, Somebody is saying. "Can we have the Halo 2 Br back so we can an unbeatable weapon??" Think about it. Now don't tell me that it sounds a little stupid. And Yes They do take suggestions.

Posted by: Timtaztix
I don't want the BR to be accurate I want it to be consistent. Sometimes it shoots differently than an opponent's, and this makes luck a factor. Halo 3 should be about skill, not luck. Don't flame me until you've read everything.

Bungie's excuse for not "fixing" the BR is that they don't want the BR to become the all-powerful Godly weapon that it was in Halo 2.

The BR in Halo 2 was Godly because:
-Button combos
-Tight spread
-The BR was a hitscan weapon
-The BR was extremely consistent

In Halo 3, there are no button combos, there is a huge spread, it is inconsistent, and it is not a hitscan weapon. Obviously, the BR is a lot less effective now than it was in Halo 2.

Bungie apparently thinks that we request the BR to be returned to its former state from Halo 2. No Bungie, not at all. You have misunderstood what the main problem is.

The BR is ridiculously inconsistent

Leave the spread as is, just take away the random tendencies! The problem is that sometimes my BR has an accurate burst, and sometimes it has an inaccurate burst. What if I'm in a 1-on-1 BR fight, and my BR shoots randomly wider and his shoots randomly tighter. My opponent will win the fight not because of his aiming skills, but because his shot more accurately than mine. Even though my reticule was on his head, and his was on mine, I lose the fight because of the random tendencies.

So, in conclusion, I suggest that Bungie removes the random tendencies of the BR's burst. This means that:

-It will still have a wide spread
-It will still not be a hitscan weapon (You must still lead shots)
-Still no button combos
-Consistent! This is the only change...making the burst consistent. This way, the only advantage one player will have over another is skill. Luck should not be a factor in a competitive game.

This way the BR is still not accurate enough to snipe, and not accurate enough to guarantee a perfect 4-shot every time...but it will remain this way for everyone and not just the lucky will win.

If everyone's BR performs the same, every time, even if the spread isn't perfect, it is a balanced weapon. Right now the winner of a BR fight depends on lucky spread, and I want the winner to rely on skill. Not luck.

Post here if you agree with me, and be mature about it. No flaming unless you've read the entire post.


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Argument:

In this statement the OP has all of the Halo 2 facts completely correct. But think about it, Yes, it is was completely consistent. And if that is what you are asking for in halo 3 then it would still be the Ultimate weapon. Think about it. What other weapon is completely consistent in Halo 3 Besides the Spartan Laser and Sniper Riffle (Said by Luke)? AR Bullets Fly everywhere. Needlers fly off anywhere, Rockets can be shot off by an explosion, Spikers don't lock on, Shotguns shoot multiple bullets. I really cannot think of another weapon that is completely consistent in hitting all of its shots. I also Think you may be exaggerating when you say ridiculously because if I am correct on my math and I read the many math equations correctly by JonnyOthan then only one one the 3 bullets is going to be inaccurate out of the three. You also talk about a 1 vs 1 BR duel. Think about this situation too. Once again if I am correct on reading the math equations then one out of the three bullets will not hit. So if you think about that there is a 66.7% (Rounded) change that it will be accurate and a 34.3% chance that one bullet out of the 3 will miss. That is not even a 50% chance! Which brings me to the Final facts of this argument that Only two weapons (that I'm 100% sure on) are 100% accurate. So why should the BR? This question brings us the Real Life Sniper vs the Real Life Battle Riffle. In Real life not every BR weapon is going to hit the exact target. A real life Sniper bullet will hit the exact target. So that equation is correct. So what is so what is so bad about a 34.3% chance of having 1 bullet miss when almost every other weapon will do the same or worse. The last thing in this argument, in a 1 on 1 br duel you will most likley to have the same outcome for both players.

(I know I probably got some facts wrong in there but C'mon you gotta admit that is had to argue against!)


Please Don't spam me telling me I don't know what I'm saying.

This is just my opinion on you should look at the BR changes from Halo 2 to Halo 3.


AND. That was just for the People WHINING. Honestly I like the Halo 3 BR better tahn the H2 one.

I know others have my same opinion, My top posts were for Whiners not people with my opinion.



What do you think of my opinion?

And if I have any facts wrong please tell me and I shall fix.

Discuss nicley...


READ MY ENTIRE POST, I'm not complaining.

I am not complaining, I am telling people that do complain how to deal with it and some facts and opinions behind it.
No you guys, that is a WALL of text

  • 12.12.2008 2:10 PM PDT

The next person to assume I am talking about ranked, do us all a favor and look at what I play!

Posted by: pappernackles
Posted by: Galactic Doom
[quote]Posted by: SCOTTY OWNS U
For People Whining:

Ok, if you people actually read the entire Weekly Update you would Realize that there is a good reason for Bungie not taking your suggestions and changing back the BR. In Halo 2 the Battle Riffle Would beat out every weapon, because it is good at close range, medium range
and long range. In halo 3 the design team wanted it to be fair, because it was realized in Halo 2 that it is too good. So for halo 3 they wanted things more balanced (in my opinion). So they Gave it less power at long and short range, making it the still the best medium range weapon (my opinion).

This is What I think you should do:

For all of the people that whining they probably want the Halo 2 BR back. And those people who are whining about wanting the Halo 2 BR had to get used to the Halo 2 BR by Playing Halo 2? And Halo 2 and Halo 3 are two Different Games within the same series. You if you are Whining 7bout the BR it is your fault for switching to a new game. If you want the halo 2 BR than play halo 2. It is that simple. And Different games are meant to be different, so they will have differences, the changes in the Battle Riffle are just one of the many changes between the games in the Halo Series. And like any other new game you start playing, you aren't going to be the best at it when you start, so you just have to play Halo 3 with the Battle Riffle at Medium Range the way it is meant to be used in HALO 3, not the way it was used in halo 2. Also like in any other new game you start to play, you have to play and practice to get good at it. The same thing goes for the BR. So just get used to it and practice with it at medium range the way it it said the be used at.

Shorter Version for the People that Still Don't Understand:

The people whining got used to the halo 2 br when they played halo 2 so just get used to the halo 3 br now that you know how to use it. You guys are practically blaming Bungie for making a weapon in the game you play.

Another Argument

They people whining / complaining usually claim to be MLG. If they are MLG they should be able to get a kill with almost any weapon nonetheless. So they should also be able to get a kill with the halo 3 BR. So you are just another poser if you claim to be MLG and are still whining about the halo 3 BR because you cant get a kill with it even though you claim to be MLG.

Another Argument:

Most of the people that also whine about wanting the Halo 2 BR back also say "Bungie Never Takes Suggestions?" Haven't anybody read the Code of Conduct : You have no rights, Play nice. Theres one point of this. But Bungie actually does take suggestions such as. The melee glitch, Griffball Double Exp Weekends, Team Snipers Double Exp Weekends, Bungie.Net Avatars, Bungie.net User Skins, Bungie.net Themes. And many more things that Bungie gets from suggestions.. You guys are too busy wanting an "Ulimate Weapon". Think about that... Now that you know the facts behind the Halo 2 Br you know it is good at any range making it unbeatable. Think of Bungie's Point of View, Somebody is saying. "Can we have the Halo 2 Br back so we can an unbeatable weapon??" Think about it. Now don't tell me that it sounds a little stupid. And Yes They do take suggestions.

Posted by: Timtaztix
I don't want the BR to be accurate I want it to be consistent. Sometimes it shoots differently than an opponent's, and this makes luck a factor. Halo 3 should be about skill, not luck. Don't flame me until you've read everything.

Bungie's excuse for not "fixing" the BR is that they don't want the BR to become the all-powerful Godly weapon that it was in Halo 2.

The BR in Halo 2 was Godly because:
-Button combos
-Tight spread
-The BR was a hitscan weapon
-The BR was extremely consistent

In Halo 3, there are no button combos, there is a huge spread, it is inconsistent, and it is not a hitscan weapon. Obviously, the BR is a lot less effective now than it was in Halo 2.

Bungie apparently thinks that we request the BR to be returned to its former state from Halo 2. No Bungie, not at all. You have misunderstood what the main problem is.

The BR is ridiculously inconsistent

Leave the spread as is, just take away the random tendencies! The problem is that sometimes my BR has an accurate burst, and sometimes it has an inaccurate burst. What if I'm in a 1-on-1 BR fight, and my BR shoots randomly wider and his shoots randomly tighter. My opponent will win the fight not because of his aiming skills, but because his shot more accurately than mine. Even though my reticule was on his head, and his was on mine, I lose the fight because of the random tendencies.

So, in conclusion, I suggest that Bungie removes the random tendencies of the BR's burst. This means that:

-It will still have a wide spread
-It will still not be a hitscan weapon (You must still lead shots)
-Still no button combos
-Consistent! This is the only change...making the burst consistent. This way, the only advantage one player will have over another is skill. Luck should not be a factor in a competitive game.

This way the BR is still not accurate enough to snipe, and not accurate enough to guarantee a perfect 4-shot every time...but it will remain this way for everyone and not just the lucky will win.

If everyone's BR performs the same, every time, even if the spread isn't perfect, it is a balanced weapon. Right now the winner of a BR fight depends on lucky spread, and I want the winner to rely on skill. Not luck.

Post here if you agree with me, and be mature about it. No flaming unless you've read the entire post.


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Argument:

In this statement the OP has all of the Halo 2 facts completely correct. But think about it, Yes, it is was completely consistent. And if that is what you are asking for in halo 3 then it would still be the Ultimate weapon. Think about it. What other weapon is completely consistent in Halo 3 Besides the Spartan Laser and Sniper Riffle (Said by Luke)? AR Bullets Fly everywhere. Needlers fly off anywhere, Rockets can be shot off by an explosion, Spikers don't lock on, Shotguns shoot multiple bullets. I really cannot think of another weapon that is completely consistent in hitting all of its shots. I also Think you may be exaggerating when you say ridiculously because if I am correct on my math and I read the many math equations correctly by JonnyOthan then only one one the 3 bullets is going to be inaccurate out of the three. You also talk about a 1 vs 1 BR duel. Think about this situation too. Once again if I am correct on reading the math equations then one out of the three bullets will not hit. So if you think about that there is a 66.7% (Rounded) change that it will be accurate and a 34.3% chance that one bullet out of the 3 will miss. That is not even a 50% chance! Which brings me to the Final facts of this argument that Only two weapons (that I'm 100% sure on) are 100% accurate. So why should the BR? This question brings us the Real Life Sniper vs the Real Life Battle Riffle. In Real life not every BR weapon is going to hit the exact target. A real life Sniper bullet will hit the exact target. So that equation is correct. So what is so what is so bad about a 34.3% chance of having 1 bullet miss when almost every other weapon will do the same or worse. The last thing in this argument, in a 1 on 1 br duel you will most likley to have the same outcome for both players.

(I know I probably got some facts wrong in there but C'mon you gotta admit that is had to argue against!)


Please Don't spam me telling me I don't know what I'm saying.

This is just my opinion on you should look at the BR changes from Halo 2 to Halo 3.


AND. That was just for the People WHINING. Honestly I like the Halo 3 BR better tahn the H2 one.

I know others have my same opinion, My top posts were for Whiners not people with my opinion.



What do you think of my opinion?

And if I have any facts wrong please tell me and I shall fix.

Discuss nicley...


READ MY ENTIRE POST, I'm not complaining.

I am not complaining, I am telling people that do complain how to deal with it and some facts and opinions behind it.
No you guys, that is a WALL of text


Ha, even bigger wall of text. The above poster has a good arguement. The BR is tolerable this time. The pros use the BR because it is their starting weapon. It is not the starting weapon due to balance issues.

  • 12.12.2008 2:24 PM PDT

The next person to assume I am talking about ranked, do us all a favor and look at what I play!

Posted by: Cptvudu
Omg people if u think the BR is fine as it is, u should quit halo 3 ur the kids that camp behind a wall with shot guns in Team Snipers. They messed it up in the since halo is not so competitive and kids well hate this post saying blah blah blah i camp with Ar . They changed the game so much for bad kids that could not play H2 and i say these because they tried to make the game easier to play for new comers but what they should have done is think about the competitive kids for mlg and other gaming sites like that but they didn't that's y there trying so hard to keep as all happy with new maps and even worse remakes thank god bungie. Ur bad at making games u pretty much got lucky with H2 since the thing that made that game where the glitch's so if u like the Br how it is ur probably a bad social kid that hopes they have a general on there team to carry them.


Ding! Fries are done! The above is a textbook example of a gamespot style post. I quoted tha above to show what your posts +/ arguements should not look like.

  • 12.12.2008 2:27 PM PDT