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Posted by: DB5414
I don't really like the BR anymore thanks to all the threads going around, so I'm going to start using the Carbine more.


The carbine is an awesome weapon, so under rated. I wish it was placed on more maps and game types. Or better yet, start with one.

[Edited on 07.02.2008 3:35 PM PDT]

  • 07.02.2008 3:32 PM PDT
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Posted by: GIR091572
Posted by: mooshmoossh
I like the BR just the way it is.

I really don't see what's wrong with it.

I feel the same way


Me too!

  • 07.02.2008 4:56 PM PDT
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Too bad Bungie couldn't have us start with Carbines.

I guess having warthogs outside of the pit and flying orbiters on construct were too important than to have it be a starting weapon.

  • 07.02.2008 5:10 PM PDT

Multiplayer Gameplay
Halo:CE------------------Reach--------Halo2-----------------H alo3
Campaign Experience
Reach----Halo:CE-----------------ODST-----Halo2---------Halo3

Glad that Halo 3 garbage is dead, thanks to Reach.
Unfreakenbelievable!!

I've never really liked the MLG settings, because of the no radar. However, since Bungie decided to make the BR the way it is, and to make the beatdown the prefered weapon of choice, I don't have as much fun anymore. The only playlist that I enjoy every game, win or lose, the MLG playlist. I am by no means considered to be within the "MLG Community", like so many of you believe to be the case with all the so-called "whiners". Just so you know, the MLG playlist consists of Team Slayer, MultiFlag CTF, KOTH, and Oddball games, all of which are my favorite gametypes. Also, the speed and damage were increased, which actually makes the game much more fun, because the BR is more consistent with 110% damage.

Gettting back on-topic...Some of you may have said the Halo 2 BR required less skill. I guess that's the reason why I won a majority of my BR battles 1v1. In fact, I was fairly confident that I could kill anybody, unless some guy came at me with Plasma Pistol. I'm not saying the BR from Halo 2 is the way that gun should be, because I think the auto-aim and magnetism was too high. At least the gun shot where I aimed, and when I died I knew that I missed on a shot.

Now, back to the Halo 3 BR...Bungie basically made every aspect from the Halo 2 model less effective, in order to balance the game better since so many "whiners" (those who either couldn't use the gun or were tired of being spawned killed) thought it was too overpowered. In addition, they made every close range weapon more effective. With this decision, we now see a flip-flop in the balance. Now, the BR is only a 4 shot at close ranges, where it will get destroyed by nearly anyone, and a 5-6 shot at mid-ranges, and a 10+ shot at long ranges. Bungie practically made it so grenade-BR is much more consistent than 4 shotting, which makes the BR a better close range weapon than a mid range weapon. But I thought it was a mid-range to long-range weapon.

Sorry, if you don't know WTF I just said. I think the BR as it is now, realistic maybe, does not give you much pleasure as it would if it was the accurate/consistent scoped weapon it needs to be. That's my stance, and I doubt I persuaded anybody, but thank you for wasting my time and your time.

  • 07.02.2008 5:23 PM PDT
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Posted by: Nokterne
Posted by: JUICEHEAD3311
The BR is fine if you dont like it dont use it its as simple as that.
And replace it with what? The Carbine? Oh yeah, you can't start with it, nice one Bungie.


This made me lol.

  • 07.02.2008 5:29 PM PDT

The Song Of Nephilim

Xenoblade <3

I like the br I just hate the br clashes.

  • 07.02.2008 5:45 PM PDT

MY LOVE FOR YOU IS LIKE A TRUCK...
Posted by: Langley
--on another note, I think MLG Chewhatever is an idiot.

Posted by: Achronos
There is a reason I am user ID 1 and my account creation date is before this site came online.

Posted by: Maimum FEAR
Try to go a bit easier on him =)

I've never really considered the Battle Rifle to be a problem. To me its felt like it achieves what it is designed for. An effective medium range weapon that is versatile.


I can't help but love a person that falls for every single logical trap I throw at him. He helped me destroy almost every single "BR fix" argument I've seen offered. I mean, I couldn't have planned it any better!

When he finally said "the AR should have a spread because it is a full automatic weapon" Handel's "Hallelujah Chorus" went off in my head. I even stood up just like the Pope. It was marvelous.

Now I'll just wait for the next person trying to argue for altering the BR to make it more "powerful" and just point him back to Dodgy.

~B.B.

  • 07.02.2008 6:02 PM PDT

Posted by: BerserkerBarage
Posted by: A DODGY HAJI

glad i could amuse you. have a nice day! :)


Oh you did. You did. Thanks for proving that BR-supporters can't reason their way out of a paper bag.
~B.B.


Generalisations are bad, but seeing as you had to make one, why don't I?

Your ToD is the Assault Rifle. Every BR-detractor prefers the Assault Rifle to the Battle Rifle. Now I will make an assumption. Your ToD is the Assault Rifle because you can't use the Battle Rifle, and neither can your Assaul Rifle loving comrades.

I didn't want to resort to cynicism, generalisations and assumptions but hey. if you will then I will aswell.

  • 07.02.2008 6:20 PM PDT

beware all posts on all topics are subject to massive trashing. thousands of idiots pwn'd and counting -Death

i dont speel chek my own posts... im not paid enough

member since day 1

Combat evolved pistol > H3 BR

  • 07.02.2008 6:38 PM PDT
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Posted by: BerserkerBarage
Posted by: Maimum FEAR
Try to go a bit easier on him =)

I've never really considered the Battle Rifle to be a problem. To me its felt like it achieves what it is designed for. An effective medium range weapon that is versatile.


I can't help but love a person that falls for every single logical trap I throw at him. He helped me destroy almost every single "BR fix" argument I've seen offered. I mean, I couldn't have planned it any better!

When he finally said "the AR should have a spread because it is a full automatic weapon" Handel's "Hallelujah Chorus" went off in my head. I even stood up just like the Pope. It was marvelous.

Now I'll just wait for the next person trying to argue for altering the BR to make it more "powerful" and just point him back to Dodgy.

~B.B.


Oh my...your still ranting about me, as if you have nothing else better to do. Every time i see a post by you i will think this, because we all know its you in the video :) FIGHT THE POWER

Oh and i take it all back, i do hope they make the AR stronger...just for you ;) i hope they make it so rediculously strong that no one needs any other weapon other then the AR and Melee. Just so it will shut you the F*uk up! :) Have a great evening.

[Edited on 07.02.2008 6:57 PM PDT]

  • 07.02.2008 6:49 PM PDT

MY LOVE FOR YOU IS LIKE A TRUCK...
Posted by: Langley
--on another note, I think MLG Chewhatever is an idiot.

Posted by: Achronos
There is a reason I am user ID 1 and my account creation date is before this site came online.

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Posted by: BerserkerBarage
Posted by: A DODGY HAJI

glad i could amuse you. have a nice day! :)


Oh you did. You did. Thanks for proving that BR-supporters can't reason their way out of a paper bag.
~B.B.


Generalisations are bad, but seeing as you had to make one, why don't I?

Your ToD is the Assault Rifle. Every BR-detractor prefers the Assault Rifle to the Battle Rifle. Now I will make an assumption. Your ToD is the Assault Rifle because you can't use the Battle Rifle, and neither can your Assaul Rifle loving comrades.

I didn't want to resort to cynicism, generalisations and assumptions but hey. if you will then I will aswell.


And my top Ranked TOD is the AR (60 more than the BR) because I played LWs back when it was all AR-start and made it to a 45 again. My Social TODs far better reflect my actual playstyle.

And I think the word you're looking for is "generalizations".

Nice that you fixated on that one point and didn't choose to respond to either of my 10k character posts or anything else I've said today.

~B.B.

  • 07.02.2008 7:06 PM PDT

^_^

The battle rifle is the second best weapon in the game. Carbine for the win!!

  • 07.02.2008 7:06 PM PDT

I am the president and the assassin

"Click clack blast em"

The BR has good things and bad things

Good
-good distance
-x2 scope
-normally kills in 4 shots
-easy to find(as apposed to the sniper rifle)
Bad
-horrible up close

well its 4 to 1 i think its a good wepon

and its my best tool of destruction (Ranked)

  • 07.02.2008 7:14 PM PDT
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Posted by: bluquar
The battle rifle is the second best weapon in the game. Carbine for the win!!


100% agree the carbine is an awesome weapon, so underrated. Wish Bungie had more Match Making Playlists and game types that incorporated the Carbine.

Might be a great substitute to the BR fix. Place Carbines more frequently on maps or at least a balance of them to BR's that are placed on maps.

[Edited on 07.02.2008 7:21 PM PDT]

  • 07.02.2008 7:14 PM PDT

Posted by: BerserkerBarage
And my top Ranked TOD is the AR (60 more than the BR) because I played LWs back when it was all AR-start and made it to a 45 again. My Social TODs far better reflect my actual playstyle.

And I think the word you're looking for is "generalizations".

Nice that you fixated on that one point and didn't choose to respond to either of my 10k character posts or anything else I've said today.

~B.B.


It's not often I can answer two birds with one stone, but thankfully today I have the opportunity. Generalisation can indeed be spelt with either an 's' or a 'z'. In Australia, where I live, generalisation is indeed spelt with an S. Living in Australia is also my reasoning for not replying to your other long-winded responses, because incase you don't realise, I live in a different Time Zone, and so may indeed have been sleeping during your points. I try to join the discussion where it left off instead of traversing back several pages to bring up a past argument.

You see, I too played LW back when it was all AR-start. But unlike you, I got to Level 50 before I started playing with the BR, let alone BR starts. But hey, take a look at what my ToD is.

  • 07.02.2008 7:21 PM PDT

Halo: CE > > Halo 3 > Halo: Reach = Halo 2

The ignorant, and ill informed do not understand what the problem with the BR is.

The BR in Halo 3 is the best all around weapon, but regardless, it is a very frustrating weapon.


It has nothing to do with:

1) No Hit scan - This is not a problem. Halo 1 pistol was not Hit scan. I like it this way.

2) Range - not so much. It would be nice if it was effective a little longer, but that is not really the issue.


It has all to do with:

1) Consistency of the BR 3 round burst spread at medium range. Even if your aim is exact, more often then not, 1 or 2 of the three round bullets of the one BR burst will stray off willy-nilly and not hit their target, do to the random nature of the 2nd and 3rd bullet. At medium range (BR reticle is red when zoomed in) it takes 6 to 8 BR bursts when one is shooting at a stationary player. This is very frustrating, and ridiculous. Tightening up the BR spread would NOT make it into the Halo 2 BR.

2) Netcode - many times bullets from the BR hit your opponent, but are not recognized (do not count). This is regardless of lag or how good your internet connection is. If you are not host, this will happen. This gets very frustrating when ones opponents shields are down, and you hit them in the head to finish them off, but they do not die and instead kill you. Now i don't know if this can be fixed, but a tightening of the BR spread would help it happen less.


The crazy thing is, If Bungie were to tighten up the BR spread, the only people to notice would be mainly the competitive players. I'm betting most (casual players) would have no idea that it had been changed.



[Edited on 07.02.2008 9:30 PM PDT]

  • 07.02.2008 7:39 PM PDT

haha
i hope you type fast i only read the first 3 words...

  • 07.02.2008 8:14 PM PDT

Posted by: Rabid33
The only people complaining about the BR is the MLG noobs because they always use it outside its effective range

that's non-sense. any decent MLG player knows how to play with one. By the fact that you're calling MLG-players noobs shows how 'nooby' you actually are. As a regular MLG player I can probably say this safely; I have more knowledge, skills and intrest in Halo 3 or other Halo 3 branches such as MLG. As far as I'm concerned that counts as experience, which kind of makes me a not noob.

  • 07.02.2008 8:20 PM PDT

Posted by: MadroKurgan
At medium range (BR reticle is red when zoomed in) it takes 7 to 8 BR bursts when one is shooting at a stationary player.

That has to do with your aim. Because you're either aiming exactly on the opponents head or just a little off. It's pretty funny actually, because I trained my BR, sometimes on stationairy targets, and everytime I gave him 4 well aimed shots he wouldn't be standing tall anymore.

My point is, all these BR complaints aren't legit, at all. If i'd go on-line right now and play against a Bungie Staff member i'd show him why the BR is almost perfect as it is.

  • 07.02.2008 8:24 PM PDT
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I have a lot of faith in the effectiveness of the BR. Anyone who dislikes it should really take the time to learn how to use it.

  • 07.02.2008 8:34 PM PDT

Team Doubles = 49
MLG = 50
Team Slayer = 50
Team SWAT = 47
Lonewolves = 41
Team Snipers = 46
Squad Battle = 36

IMO, the H2 Br was perfect.

  • 07.02.2008 9:14 PM PDT

Halo: CE > > Halo 3 > Halo: Reach = Halo 2

Posted by: Dirty Douzen
Posted by: MadroKurgan
At medium range (BR reticle is red when zoomed in) it takes 7 to 8 BR bursts when one is shooting at a stationary player.

That has to do with your aim. Because you're either aiming exactly on the opponents head or just a little off. It's pretty funny actually, because I trained my BR, sometimes on stationairy targets, and everytime I gave him 4 well aimed shots he wouldn't be standing tall anymore.

My point is, all these BR complaints aren't legit, at all. If i'd go on-line right now and play against a Bungie Staff member i'd show him why the BR is almost perfect as it is.

You are wrong, and seemingly ignorant.

Just read Bungie's weekly update on the BR. The 2nd and 3rd bullet of the three round burst have a significant degree of variance, and some will miss their target at medium range. That is a fact. And the entire point of the randomness of the BR spread.

With perfect aim, It will take anywhere from 6 to 8 BR burst to kill someone at near furthest medium range (reticle still shows red), and that is having the last bullet just after shields are gone being a head shot. It is impossible to get a 4 burst kill at this range.

[Edited on 07.02.2008 9:32 PM PDT]

  • 07.02.2008 9:17 PM PDT

Multiplayer Gameplay
Halo:CE------------------Reach--------Halo2-----------------H alo3
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Reach----Halo:CE-----------------ODST-----Halo2---------Halo3

Glad that Halo 3 garbage is dead, thanks to Reach.
Unfreakenbelievable!!

Posted by: EN FLAGRANTE
I have a lot of faith in the effectiveness of the BR. Anyone who dislikes it should really take the time to learn how to use it.


No offense, but it doesn't have anything to do with not knowing how to use it. Most people who care WILL take the time to figure out why they are not 4 shotting. 4 shotting with the BR almost doesn't exist anymore at mid-range, because all the bullets must hit in order to kill someone. Since there is a wide spread, the BR kills in 5 shots at mid-range. Since there is a random spread, the BR kills in 5-6 shots at mid-range. Some may feel that they are fine with that and it's effective, and I would agree, but do you really think that the random aspect should decide whether you 5-shot or 6-shot someone.

  • 07.02.2008 9:18 PM PDT

MY LOVE FOR YOU IS LIKE A TRUCK...
Posted by: Langley
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Posted by: Achronos
There is a reason I am user ID 1 and my account creation date is before this site came online.

Posted by: BakedPotatoLive

It's not often I can answer two birds with one stone, but thankfully today I have the opportunity. Generalisation can indeed be spelt with either an 's' or a 'z'. In Australia, where I live, generalisation is indeed spelt with an S. Living in Australia is also my reasoning for not replying to your other long-winded responses, because incase you don't realise, I live in a different Time Zone, and so may indeed have been sleeping during your points. I try to join the discussion where it left off instead of traversing back several pages to bring up a past argument.

You see, I too played LW back when it was all AR-start. But unlike you, I got to Level 50 before I started playing with the BR, let alone BR starts. But hey, take a look at what my ToD is.


Not like this is terribly on-topic but I could easily make my Ranked TOD be the BR if I really wanted to. I could just sit in SWAT all day and slowly raise my Ranked BR kills. But that would be pointless. However, I haven't played a Ranked match on this profile in probably 6 months. I made it to Brig in less than a month and got bored. So, I stopped using this account so I could play with my friends who aren't high ranked and don't care about ranks.

Now, on topic. To the person who said they wanted the BR spread reduced. It wouldn't make much of a difference if any at all. The variance given by the BR spread is listed as a scalar not a vector. The difference between a 0.1 and a 0.8 is basically the difference between 0.1 and 0.3. How much the possible spread numerically is really doesn't matter. The existence of it is enough. I'm personally fine with the current spread mathematics but at the same time I realize that nothing short of complete remove will actually make a difference.

And please stop saying the "casuals" won't realize it. It's incredibly stupid. If they competitive players realized it wasn't the same from H2 to H3; the casual players would realize if Bungie did something that almost made it like H2's BR.

And since you're so in favor of removing the spread from the BR, you'd also be in favor of removing the spread from the Assault Rifle and make it so it will connect every shot when its reticule is red.

~B.B.

  • 07.02.2008 9:35 PM PDT