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Subject: The Only BR Thread

I beat down a Scarab.

Give us a Poll please.

  • 12.23.2008 11:04 PM PDT
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Posted by: Jiggly Luv
Posted by: Shadow Wolf7347
Posted by: jokerkillz6x
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I like this kid. They need to have a play list that doesnt focus just on the br/sniper range.If its like that well have fun waiting 15 mins for a game of team slayer. (You do know halo was created as vehicular warfare? Thats why so few weapons in longer ranges and the massive amount of anti vehicle weapons at medium to long range)

You should really try not to admit to liking someone with so little maturity and intelligence.

CQB
There you go. A playlist proposal that eliminates mid-range and long-range fighting and incorporates more "Spray and Pray" type gameplay.

To be honest, I think Default Slayer is unbalanced as it is now. One reason that comes to mind is Non-BR starts. With AR starts the game is unbalanced because of all the Power weapons and mid-range Precision weapons on the map. So taking away Rockets, BR/Carbines, and Snipers actually would balance Bungie's style of Default gameplay better. It's actually surprising that Bungie won't create two distinct playlists: Default BR Starts and Default AR Starts. Or at least two distinct gametypes that balance the gameplay better. For example, BR Starts would have all the weapons on the map as normal (though need to be placed in better locations) without any ARs, and AR Starts would have everything as normal except BRs/Carbines, Sniper, and Rocket. Sure, there is MLG but some people prefer Radar, Vehicles, and some of the other weapons not found in their gametypes.

The reason why there are so many Anti-vehicle weapons are because Bungie realized that they designed the Vehicles too overpowered in Halo 2 and Halo 3. They were trying to balance the game better. So instead of just making the Vehicles like how they were in Halo 1 (balanced), they decided to add more weapons and equipment (which BTW ruins some of the gameplay in non-vehicle maps).

And, Halo 3 was intended for close-quarter battles with a few long-range Vehicle fests. Or at least that's my assumption considering the effectiveness and range of the mid-range/"long-range" weapons. Oh, and BTW, Vehicle fights were way more fun in Halo 1 (But, that goes for pretty much all the gametypes with exception of Default PP starts). I would say that is my opinion, but I really don't see how others could disagree.
need to learn . Is your mom your only source? Vehicular warfare is awesome in h3 more variety and i dont mean hog wars chopper vs hornet ghose vs scorpion scorpion vs wraith those make it fun

[Edited on 12.23.2008 11:36 PM PST]

  • 12.23.2008 11:32 PM PDT
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Posted by: Kevin2468838
1. It's a video game. Don't take it seriously and deal with it.
2. The game belongs to Bungie and they obviously liked how they designed it. Otherwise they wouldn't have designed it.
3. The Battle Rifle is fine the way it is. It is intended for medium and close range.

So stop complaining and live with it. Nothing is wrong with it.
And this is where everyone cusses out the kid for using an ar at close range BATTLE RIFLE IS NOT CLOSE RANGE WEAPON GET IT THROUGH YOUR FREAKING THICK SKULL!!!!

  • 12.23.2008 11:35 PM PDT

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BR fine. I like it.

  • 12.24.2008 12:28 AM PDT

Multiplayer Gameplay
Halo:CE------------------Reach--------Halo2-----------------H alo3
Campaign Experience
Reach----Halo:CE-----------------ODST-----Halo2---------Halo3

Glad that Halo 3 garbage is dead, thanks to Reach.
Unfreakenbelievable!!

Posted by: Shadow Wolf7347
need to learn . Is your mom your only source? Vehicular warfare is awesome in h3 more variety and i dont mean hog wars chopper vs hornet ghose vs scorpion scorpion vs wraith those make it fun
Yes, I do need to learn. There is no way to gain knowledge without learning. Some people need to learn more than others, though. Hey, at least I can structure a complete thought. You have to give me credit for that. No run-on sentences, here.

You like vehicle wars that have a multitude of overpowered vehicles where being on foot is worthless and having a Lasor is king. And, I like vehicle wars with Halo 1 physics and balanced vehicles where being on foot is not the end of the world. That's fine. We have our opinions. Since this is off-topic I'll end here, but none of the Halos were ever intended for games of Vehicle control.

And, my mom is not my only source. I also have 7+ years of gaming experience with Halo, and I have been playing video games for over 20 years. It's mostly just gaming experience, but I have some computer science/programming experience as well. Most of what I post is out of frustration for the series I used to love and my opinions based on what I find more enjoyable.

  • 12.24.2008 1:07 AM PDT

Posted by: Jiggly Luv
Posted by: Shadow Wolf7347
need to learn . Is your mom your only source? Vehicular warfare is awesome in h3 more variety and i dont mean hog wars chopper vs hornet ghose vs scorpion scorpion vs wraith those make it fun
Yes, I do need to learn. There is no way to gain knowledge without learning. Some people need to learn more than others, though. Hey, at least I can structure a complete thought. You have to give me credit for that. No run-on sentences, here.

You like vehicle wars that have a multitude of overpowered vehicles where being on foot is worthless and having a Lasor is king. And, I like vehicle wars with Halo 1 physics and balanced vehicles where being on foot is not the end of the world. That's fine. We have our opinions. Since this is off-topic I'll end here, but none of the Halos were ever intended for games of Vehicle control.

And, my mom is not my only source. I also have 7+ years of gaming experience with Halo, and I have been playing video games for over 20 years. It's mostly just gaming experience, but I have some computer science/programming experience as well. Most of what I post is out of frustration for the series I used to love and my opinions based on what I find more enjoyable.


Yeah exacty in halo 3 vehicles are a joke and are way overpowered. Just look at what a warthog can do on Standoff providing the team are not complete idiots there's not much you can do in 4v4 if you don't have the laser. The warthog turret is ridiculously powerful with no accuracy required and you often have to stick the warthog twice to take it out and more than half of the time that you flip it it rights itself anyway. The Banshee as well is so powerful and kills you very quickly, again it is almost impossible to take out without a laser or missile pod on foot.

  • 12.24.2008 3:21 AM PDT

i killed for less.

I dont see how you people think that the br on halo3 is fine....it sucks. you have to lead your targets when they are only ten feet away from you. the bullet velocity doesnt even compare to a real rifle. the AR has better bullet velocity than the br, just test it for yourself, you will find yourself leading your targets more with the AR than the BR, so if your caught off gaurd with the br and they have a ar you have to 4 shot them or your gonna die. bungie, im not asking for the br from halo2 i just dont want to have to lead my targets when they are only 10 to 30 feet infront of me, its kinda -blam!-.

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  • 12.24.2008 9:16 AM PDT

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Yeah I think that for the most part that the BR is a pretty good weapon in Halo 3 its just the fact that the spread isn't very precise. Now I'm not one to complain about that sort of thing since I am usually playing AR start anyway but I just recently got into MLG and I have really noticed that the BR's shots are not very accurate in terms of the cross hair. Now I know that Bungie is working on a lot of other important stuff but the BR is one of the most popularly used weapons in the game so I just think that they should at least take a look at it.

  • 12.24.2008 12:34 PM PDT
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Posted by: Jiggly Luv
Posted by: Shadow Wolf7347
need to learn . Is your mom your only source? Vehicular warfare is awesome in h3 more variety and i dont mean hog wars chopper vs hornet ghose vs scorpion scorpion vs wraith those make it fun
Yes, I do need to learn. There is no way to gain knowledge without learning. Some people need to learn more than others, though. Hey, at least I can structure a complete thought. You have to give me credit for that. No run-on sentences, here.

You like vehicle wars that have a multitude of overpowered vehicles where being on foot is worthless and having a Lasor is king. And, I like vehicle wars with Halo 1 physics and balanced vehicles where being on foot is not the end of the world. That's fine. We have our opinions. Since this is off-topic I'll end here, but none of the Halos were ever intended for games of Vehicle control.

And, my mom is not my only source. I also have 7+ years of gaming experience with Halo, and I have been playing video games for over 20 years. It's mostly just gaming experience, but I have some computer science/programming experience as well. Most of what I post is out of frustration for the series I used to love and my opinions based on what I find more enjoyable.
Yep i had the beta of halo 1 pure vehicle and nades best ever

  • 12.24.2008 5:20 PM PDT

Posted by: Shadow Wolf7347
Posted by: Kevin2468838
1. It's a video game. Don't take it seriously and deal with it.
2. The game belongs to Bungie and they obviously liked how they designed it. Otherwise they wouldn't have designed it.
3. The Battle Rifle is fine the way it is. It is intended for medium and close range.

So stop complaining and live with it. Nothing is wrong with it.
And this is where everyone cusses out the kid for using an ar at close range BATTLE RIFLE IS NOT CLOSE RANGE WEAPON GET IT THROUGH YOUR FREAKING THICK SKULL!!!!


That is my opinion. I do not have a thick skull, stop making wild assumptions. The BR is fine the way it is.

  • 12.24.2008 9:39 PM PDT

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Posted by: Shadow Wolf7347
And this is where everyone cusses out the kid for using an ar at close range BATTLE RIFLE IS NOT CLOSE RANGE WEAPON GET IT THROUGH YOUR FREAKING THICK SKULL!!!!
It is now, cry moar. Depending on your version of "close range" it could very well be close range.

Bungie's version of "medium-long range" is definitely, not the same as yours.

[Edited on 12.24.2008 9:45 PM PST]

  • 12.24.2008 9:44 PM PDT

E.L.I.T.E.C.H.R.S.T.N

You cant fix what isnt broken

  • 12.25.2008 7:50 PM PDT

my question: in the halo universe, was the BR ever meant to be a primary weapon replacement for the AR? Like were marines ever supposed to phase out the AR in favor of the BR?

  • 12.26.2008 10:58 PM PDT

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The most original weopen in the Halo trilogy was the AR. But then it was replaced with the BR and the SMG in Halo 2. Now we have the AR as the primary weopen in almost every game. So yea the AR is reasonalbly an original weopen.

  • 12.27.2008 9:45 AM PDT

Multi-Kills FTW!

Battle Rifle :)
Its my favourite weapon.

  • 12.28.2008 12:56 PM PDT
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how about everyone stop complaining about the BR, stop bashing eachother, and stop talking about how bad the spread is. start acting your age and not the amount of times youve thought about moving out of your moms basement, which in most of your cases is less than one

[Edited on 12.28.2008 8:37 PM PST]

  • 12.28.2008 8:34 PM PDT

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2.Increase it's effective range so It can damage at greater distances and so the reticule stays red at farther distances.

The BR is a short/medium range weapon. It's scoped, yes, to enable limited medium/long range combat. It's by no means a long range weapon. If you can't use the sniper rifle effectively, don't punish us by ruining a perfectly good weapon.


I'm not gonna discuss anything else from your post other than the point you just made. The BR is NOT a short/med ranged weapon, it's medium to long. Read the game manual from Halo 2 and Halo 3, and also read the tip of the day when matchmaking is loading...it says clear as day that the BR is a medium to long range weapon, the red dot verifies that you're aiming at their head, etc....

It's Bungie's dumb design team who decided to screw up the code of the BR and force it to be a short to medium ranged weapon in order to so-called balance with the Assault Rifle which in my opinion is completely a dumb design decision.

I swear...if you tightened the spread the BR would become a more difficult and challenging weapon to use because it would require ACCURACY rather than the spread helping you get headshots. Most players aim at the upper chest and because of the spread...they get that last bullet they need to hit the head without actually aiming at the head. A tighter less random spread would force bad players to actually have to aim. Wait I forgot...this game isn't suppose to be challenging.



EDIT

I wanna add something else to this post. Why on earth is this topic even allowed to be discussed? I mean honestly, Bungie, you're really being rude here by allowing the topic to be opened when you know damn well that you're NEVER going to take any of this feedback and use it for a future Halo 3 patch (which by the way, your last weekly update FAQ thing confirmed you're never patching H3 again) or a future Halo title by Bungie. Why not just close this thread and let it be done?

I swear, the developers these days who used to make good games are so caught up in themselves it's disgusting. Since when do designers know more than the gamers? Since when are designers assuming what gamer's want? Did you do a poll or survey asking the Halo community if they wanted a random BR? Did you ask if they wanted the assault rifle back? Did you ask your community anything?

If I were you I'd actually listen to the community because we are who play your game for endless amounts of hours. We're the ones who break your game and tell you what needs fixing. We're the ones paying your hours of work that you do in order to design these games that WE buy.

Facts are facts. The only things wrong from Halo 2 that the majority of Halo players complained about was the following:

1. Sword lunging was too overpowerd - you fixed it.
2. Plasma pistol was too overpowered, too much tracking - you fixed it.
3. SMG starts and duel weilding was too weak as a starting weapon - you supposedly fixed it by making an AR and starting everyone with it....dunno if I call that a fix.
4. Battle Rifle had too much auto-aim and too much magnetism - you fixed THOSE two things.
5. Sniping was too easy to do - you fixed it, you added recoil and slowed down the rate of fire on the sniper

I could go on with the fixes of what you ACTUALLY did based off of community feedback, but that's prob a good list.

What you managed to do that the community DID NOT WANT was the following:

1. You added a random spread to the BR - community didn't ask for this
2. You forced the BR to become a close to medium ranged weapon, this is actually AGAINST your game's manual and overall design of the BR - community didn't ask for this.

There ya go. Do yourself and everyone that likes to play your games a favor, start making games like you used to. Start making games where you guys are actually designing the games because you ARE HARDCORE GAMERS....at least you once were back in 1999-2001.

[Edited on 12.28.2008 11:55 PM PST]

  • 12.28.2008 11:45 PM PDT

I beat down a Scarab.

Posted by: TimewornDoctor
Give us a Poll please.

They Know If they gave us a poll it would be overwhelming against their desicision.

  • 12.29.2008 12:06 PM PDT
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yeah the battle rifle is great the way it is and the sound of the battle rifle is amazing good job!

  • 12.29.2008 12:29 PM PDT

I enjoy the BR. It's..different than their previous titles, but that's just it. It's a different title. The BR is..more equal. The spread is the way it is, not the way you want it to be. The AR is the "leveler". It's meant so you have something decent to work with. The statement "medium-long range" is accurate in describing the Battle Rifle. It sure as heck can out-range and out-gun the Assault Rifle. I think most people are upset because it's different and not overpowered. Wielding the BR doesn't make you invincible, it gives you an advantage at range. That's why Bungie gives you the Assault Rifle in BR-Start-gametypes. It's a very close-medium range weapon. That's also why Bungie now gives you the Magnum as a secondary in some Slayer gametypes. The Magnum can easily be compared to the Battle Rifle. As for the subject of skill, those who have mastered the current Battle Rifle can be spotted. Those who aren't great with the current BR can also be spotted, they are the ones who refuse to adapt or refuse to learn how to use it to its full potential.

Those are my thoughts. If you don't want to read it, feel free to bash my ideas. If you do read it, hopefully you'll be enlightened or at least not ridicule my writing...simply disagree.

It's a video game. There is no need for a fight. If you hate this game so much, stop trolling around in these forums and go play a different game.

  • 12.30.2008 1:11 AM PDT

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Posted by: TimewornDoctor
Give us a Poll please.

They Know If they gave us a poll it would be overwhelming against their desicision.


Quoting yourself? Really? How sad.

If you haven't been paying attention the VAST majority of people who have posted in this thread have said they either like the spread or are indifferent about it. Not like that makes a whole hell of difference.

~B.B.

  • 12.30.2008 9:23 AM PDT
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The BR is the perfect weapon for any situation.

  • 12.30.2008 10:59 AM PDT

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  • 12.30.2008 11:03 AM PDT

javelin

the BR is an M16 with an acoge scope on it

  • 12.30.2008 9:07 PM PDT

I beat down a Scarab.

I wonder Why Bungie doesn't look in this thread....Oh wait its because they don't care.

  • 12.31.2008 12:34 AM PDT